EPTTo carry out this task Terrans have been given the most cost effective and powerful units for small group engagements and a dropship+medic combo, so they can stretch their opponents defense. The downside is your lategame isn't as powerful. If you don't want to play that way you should change race until HotS, as these are fundamental design principles of Terran. When foreign Terrans go straight macro they are throwing away all the advantages of their race, and I believe koreans understand this.
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AnalThermometer
Vatican City State334 Posts
To carry out this task Terrans have been given the most cost effective and powerful units for small group engagements and a dropship+medic combo, so they can stretch their opponents defense. The downside is your lategame isn't as powerful. If you don't want to play that way you should change race until HotS, as these are fundamental design principles of Terran. When foreign Terrans go straight macro they are throwing away all the advantages of their race, and I believe koreans understand this. | ||
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xrapture
United States1644 Posts
Even though they'll be the first to say foreign Terran's are worse than their zerg and protoss counterparts. I really think if GSL didn't exist Terran would not be receiving nerf after nerf TT | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On February 22 2012 00:06 AnalThermometer wrote: Terran is just a little different from the other races at the moment, it also happens to suit the Korean playstyle the best. When designing an RTS to appeal to the mainstream, you can't have every race be a macro race with a strong late game - it ends in mass turtling. One day, Blizzard basically decided that as a Terran your job is to make the game as scrappy as possible and disrupt your opponent's flow using any kind of "cheese" you want, stealing little advantages, and then finishing it with the lead you've gained by combining all those little advantages. You are the unstoppable force, and your opponent is the immovable object. To carry out this task Terrans have been given the most cost effective and powerful units for small group engagements and a dropship+medic combo, so they can stretch their opponents defense. The downside is your lategame isn't as powerful. If you don't want to play that way you should change race until HotS, as that is the fundamental design of the race. When foreign Terrans go straight macro they are throwing away all the advantages of their race, and I believe koreans understand this. I don't really think Blizzard decided anything or what Terran is currently corresponds to their "vision" or something. It just ended up like this, and Terran players have to adapt or switch. Or wait until HOTS, which should introduce more herp derpish gameplay for Terran, and not so much for Protoss. Should balance out all the "Protoss ez vs T :'(:'(:'(" we have heard these days. | ||
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MaNaVoId
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GhostBusters
United States198 Posts
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
On February 21 2012 23:42 aebriol wrote: This season in the GSL: Semis: 2 terran (alive and gumiho - one who beat MMA 3-1 so obviously he must suck because MMA and MvP are the only ones carrying the race?), 1 protoss, 1 zerg. Quarters: 3 terran, 4 protoss, 1 zerg. Round of 16: 8 terran, 5 protoss, 3 zerg. In what weird reality is it that you people are living where the Terran is doing poorly in the GSL? "Arguable less right now" ? "Except for this season" ? This season it is not completely TvT everywhere and absolute domination by Terran - but they are still the race doing the best. So far. Argue based on reality please. If there are ever less than 4 terrans in the GSL semi-finals, they are doing poorly. Come on man, everyone knows that. | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
So yea, the few 5-10 (being generous) Korean Terrans that can effectively play with 300 APM are doing fine. The rest of the world will have to wait until HOTS when Terran gets their own 1a units -.- | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Now balance is pretty good, but all these pros are still Terran. That's why T still looks OP in korea. @ OP, you used the stunning sample size of a full week of some weekly cups and 2 IPL4 qualifiers... One of which was won by a korean, so it's not relavant to this "Becoming better very fast" is also very subjective, what if I subjectively say that Happy improved a ton in the last months? He's second in foreigner TLPD right now, so he at least wins more than before. Even if you'd say he didn't improve at all, it'd still look to me as if he did, just based on results. I know everyone is convinced their race is the hardest, absolutely underpowered, etc, but if you just stop for a moment and think about what the hell you are posting, even you should see that your arguments are nonsense: Irrelevant statistics and your general feeling that there are no up-and-coming T players in the foreign scene... Well, enjoy the short phase where you can whine about Terran, P and T seem to be doing very well now in korea, so soon the next Zerg-whine phase will begin. And soon after, the next race will whine. And this gets very stale. | ||
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TheTurk
United States732 Posts
What I mean to say is, extremely adept micromanagement (bioball, etc) and multitasking skill (several drops at once, keeping up with macro, etc) empowers a Terran more than it would Protoss or Zerg. It's just a matter of the playstyle and mentality being compatible with the race by nature. Either that or, to be exhaustively considerate, Koreans find Terran more interesting/aesthetically appealing/for non-mechanical purposes, nicer than the other races, so by proportion there are a greater number of Terrans, and for this reason we see more of them succeed. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On February 22 2012 00:27 Dandel Ion wrote: It's just that half of the Korean pros are Terran because T was OP for a long time. (and because they kept their BW race, which mostly was terran too) Now balance is pretty good, but all these pros are still Terran. That's why T still looks OP in korea. @ OP, you used the stunning sample size of a full week of some weekly cups and 2 IPL4 qualifiers... One of which was won by a korean, so it's not relavant to this "Becoming better very fast" is also very subjective, what if I subjectively say that Happy improved a ton in the last months? He's second in foreigner TLPD right now, so he at least wins more than before. Even if you'd say he didn't improve at all, it'd still look to me as if he did, just based on results. I know everyone is convinced their race is the hardest, absolutely underpowered, etc, but if you just stop for a moment and think about what the hell you are posting, even you should see that your arguments are nonsense: Irrelevant statistics and your general feeling that there are no up-and-coming T players in the foreign scene... Well, enjoy the short phase where you can whine about Terran, P and T seem to be doing very well now in korea, so soon the next Zerg-whine phase will begin. And soon after, the next race will whine. And this gets very stale. I just have to agree. Completly. | ||
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SolidMustard
France1515 Posts
I am kiddin but I'm not just trolling, terran seems to be the most difficult race to play, but also the most powerful when you master it. And it looks like the lower the level the more difficult it is to win with terran. I guess the main reason is micro | ||
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deepfield1
United States373 Posts
Well.. not so much dominance, but continued solid results. | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On February 22 2012 00:44 SolidMustard wrote: In Code S, terran is imba. In bronze, it's the hardest race. Looks like foreign pros are closer to bronze than code S. I am kiddin but I'm not just trolling, terran seems to be the most difficult race to play, but also the most powerful when you master it. And it looks like the lower the level the more difficult it is to win with terran. I guess the main reason is micro Blizzard did a REALLY poor job balancing the three races around the skill gradient. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On February 22 2012 00:57 SupLilSon wrote: Blizzard did a REALLY poor job balancing the three races around the skill gradient. so, how do you determine skill again? I mean, do you have anything that is even somehow statistically relevant to back this claim up? | ||
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LRObot
United States153 Posts
On February 22 2012 01:03 Big J wrote: so, how do you determine skill again? I mean, do you have anything that is even somehow statistically relevant to back this claim up? It's completely unquantifiable. That's the problem. | ||
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robih
Austria1086 Posts
if you saw supernova at IEM sao paulo, that was what brought him to the final. because besides that his play wasnt very outstanding tbh or just nuke every game and make it your trademark play. then start streaming and make monies. people love nukes! | ||
Kinky
United States4126 Posts
On February 21 2012 22:23 how2TL wrote: Koreans probably don't use shitty ladder to practice. Someone tell me I'm an idiot if I'm wrong but I would imagine Koreans have a more structure practice schedule where they can practice one build in one matchup in one map repeatedly until they perfect it. I honestly can't imagine how playing ladder and getting random matchups on random maps, some of which aren't even played in tournament, is useful to properly developing your skill. It's up to the player really. If you ever watch Fin/Polt/Bomber stream, they're always laddering. Bomber mentioned on Fin's stream once that Fin only uses the ladder to practice mechanics, which is why you often see all-ins on his stream. On the other hand, Polt practices the same 2-3 build orders in each matchup constantly on ladder. He's using the same basic builds constantly to build better mechanics as referenced in this post. | ||
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jinixxx123
543 Posts
If anybody watches polt stream, the guy is just a fucking beastttttttttttttttttttt.. yesterday he owned up so many good players on the korean ladder including Alive who is still in the gsl. Polt relies on extremely good macro/micro and multitasking. | ||
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SolidMustard
France1515 Posts
On February 22 2012 00:20 tomatriedes wrote: If there are ever less than 4 terrans in the GSL semi-finals, they are doing poorly. Come on man, everyone knows that. Well, say what you want, Dalavita has a point. You guys fail to take into account the fact that there are simply more terran than other races among korean players. So the question is not "how many players in Ro8 are terrans ?" it's more about win rates. This season, there were 8 protoss in Ro32, and 4 of them were in Ro8. There were 15 Terrans in Ro32 and only 3 in Ro8. How is it possible to deny that terrans did NOT do that well this season? At least they clearly not did as well as the protoss players. Zergs... well they're still having a hard time, let's face it | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On February 22 2012 02:04 SolidMustard wrote: Well, say what you want, Dalavita has a point. You guys fail to take into account the fact that there are simply more terran than other races among korean players. So the question is not "how many players in Ro8 are terrans ?" it's more about win rates. This season, there were 8 protoss in Ro32, and 4 of them were in Ro8. There were 15 Terrans in Ro32 and only 3 in Ro8. How is it possible to deny that terrans did NOT do that well this season? At least they clearly not did as well as the protoss players. Zergs... well they're still having a hard time, let's face it Yes and no. Of course there should statistically be more Terrans than Protoss players, but on the other hand, it's too small of a samplesize to really make this claim based upon one GSL. Not to mention that due to the GOM formatchanges there should be some players falling out that have competed for a longer time in the GSL now (which means a lot of Terrans), and new players (of all races) should take their places. More Terrans dropping out than coming in should be the trend for the next seasons - if the game is balanced. (because Terran simply was and is overrepresented. There are more Terrans, but it's not like the 50% Terran 25% Protoss 25%Zerg representation of this GSL was representative for the race distribution) But well, it's only a trend. We might also have an increase of Terrans at somepoint. | ||
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