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MacNaughty
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada41 Posts
February 24 2012 06:59 GMT
#1281
Lulz @ snipe nerf
sauman
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia180 Posts
February 24 2012 07:58 GMT
#1282
wow fml, logged onto NA and updated without knowing it wouldn't let me play on SEA. Is there a quick way for me to get back on SEA?
아이유~
Honeybadger
Profile Joined August 2010
United States821 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-24 09:56:41
February 24 2012 09:56 GMT
#1283
Terrans need to just do marinetank in every matchup. Make it so boring and awful that blizzard has to give us back SOMETHING.

I don't recall a single real terran buff since the battlecruiser speed increase. Even back then, people said it was pointless due to feedback.

Make feedback unable to affect massive and I'll stop complaining. Easy. Protoss can deal with our T3 units without having an automatic, instant, cast-on-target "cut his big stuff's hp in half" button
"I like to tape my thumbs to my hands to see what it would be like to be a dinosaur."
Shantastic
Profile Joined October 2011
United States435 Posts
February 24 2012 10:43 GMT
#1284
Unfortunately, making feedback unusable against massive would probably make mech super-crazy-allkindsof-insane against Protoss at the top level. Without feedback, hellion-banshee-Thor moveouts are ridiculously powerful. They would require absolutely pitch-perfect gateway-immortal compositions AND some kind of upgrade advantage to deal with, and Protoss don't have the same kind of counter-attack options that we Zergs do.
"My grandpa could have proxied better, and not only does he have arthritis, but he's also dead." -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
Telenil
Profile Joined September 2010
France484 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-24 10:52:57
February 24 2012 10:51 GMT
#1285
I know you barely see battlecruisers at all, but yamato cannon could be a pain without feedback. It one-shots void rays and quickly destroys a mothership, you would have to stick to pure stalkers against them.
Mass Recall: Brood War campaigns on SC2: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=303166
Shantastic
Profile Joined October 2011
United States435 Posts
February 24 2012 10:54 GMT
#1286
On February 24 2012 18:56 Honeybadger wrote:Protoss can deal with our T3 units without having an automatic, instant, cast-on-target "cut his big stuff's hp in half" button


This is the rationale that led to the snipe nerf:

Before the patch, Zergs said:Terran can deal with our T3 units without having an automatic, instant, cast-on-target "kill his big stuff instantly" button


The point of casters is to facilitate damage. That Snipe was so badly nerfed is ridiculous, but to nerf Fungal or Feedback would be just stupid as well. What made Snipe better than its Zerg and Toss counterparts was that Storm, Fungal, and Feedback are affected by a cooldown mechanic. Not an actual cooldown, but a mechanic with the spell that manufactures a cooldown that prevents more than a certain amount of damage being done to a single target too fast. You can't stack fungals or storms, and you have to wait for them to wear off to refresh them (that is how it should be). If Snipes are going to be cast without the effects manufacturing a spell-to-target cooldown, then the spell needs to be less powerful, because of the way it functioned prior. Blizz needs to scale back this nerf, not catch up by equally nerfing other races.

Maybe putting the damage up to 30 or 35 and then giving it +5 damage to shields in addition. I think that would keep TvP good.

Or just make it 45 damage vs bio, down to 30/35 damage vs massive. That makes the most sense to me.
"My grandpa could have proxied better, and not only does he have arthritis, but he's also dead." -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-24 11:23:38
February 24 2012 11:22 GMT
#1287
On February 24 2012 19:51 Telenil wrote:
I know you barely see battlecruisers at all, but yamato cannon could be a pain without feedback. It one-shots void rays and quickly destroys a mothership, you would have to stick to pure stalkers against them.


And how the hell do you manage to get BC's with Yamato and the Toss has no HT's ? .... There is no reason for a Protoss to not build HT's , it's has good uses against every Terran unit .
shizna
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom803 Posts
February 24 2012 11:26 GMT
#1288
fix for terran = allow planetary fortresseses to lift-off

....and shoot while flying :D
tapk69
Profile Joined January 2011
Portugal264 Posts
February 24 2012 11:51 GMT
#1289
On February 24 2012 20:26 shizna wrote:
fix for terran = allow planetary fortresseses to lift-off

....and shoot while flying :D



no... Just give us Barracks before supply depot again
ja foste
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8760 Posts
February 24 2012 11:55 GMT
#1290
On February 24 2012 20:51 tapk69 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 20:26 shizna wrote:
fix for terran = allow planetary fortresseses to lift-off

....and shoot while flying :D



no... Just give us Barracks before supply depot again


Really, going back there? You are the king of proxy rax or something?
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
Crow!
Profile Joined September 2011
United States150 Posts
February 24 2012 12:19 GMT
#1291
Giving massive units immunity to feedback is no good, Thors with strike cannons available literally counter every non-Carrier unit Protoss has. There's a reason Thors went back to requiring energy.
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
February 24 2012 12:27 GMT
#1292
On February 24 2012 21:19 Crow! wrote:
Giving massive units immunity to feedback is no good, Thors with strike cannons available literally counter every non-Carrier unit Protoss has. There's a reason Thors went back to requiring energy.


Then remove the fucking spell nobody wants it / likes it anyway ...
Mehukannu
Profile Joined October 2010
Finland421 Posts
February 24 2012 12:28 GMT
#1293
On February 24 2012 21:19 Crow! wrote:
Giving massive units immunity to feedback is no good, Thors with strike cannons available literally counter every non-Carrier unit Protoss has. There's a reason Thors went back to requiring energy.

Only unit it would counter would be immortal and I don't know how it would ever catch colossus with strike cannons. On other units it is just better to use normal attack especially if terran has +1 attack, which has nothing to do with strike cannons at all.
C=('. ' Q)
ckast
Profile Joined September 2010
175 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-24 16:23:18
February 24 2012 16:22 GMT
#1294
anyone know why SEA is not yet on new patch?

got it from the topic...please ignore- -
tapk69
Profile Joined January 2011
Portugal264 Posts
February 24 2012 16:32 GMT
#1295
On February 24 2012 20:55 Doublemint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 20:51 tapk69 wrote:
On February 24 2012 20:26 shizna wrote:
fix for terran = allow planetary fortresseses to lift-off

....and shoot while flying :D



no... Just give us Barracks before supply depot again


Really, going back there? You are the king of proxy rax or something?


no i just want to win before 10 min , otherwise its a 200/200 battle at 20 / 25 min , i love to see my opponent insult me , more than a GG "left game" , the game is much more fun and personal . I also miss 4-gate , many wins came from just defending it. Im gold league obviously.

I think the game will never be perfect , nobody will ever say the game is perfectly balanced , theres always different opinions...
But the best thing that could happen to SC2 is the release of HOTS.
ja foste
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8760 Posts
February 24 2012 16:42 GMT
#1296
On February 25 2012 01:32 tapk69 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 20:55 Doublemint wrote:
On February 24 2012 20:51 tapk69 wrote:
On February 24 2012 20:26 shizna wrote:
fix for terran = allow planetary fortresseses to lift-off

....and shoot while flying :D



no... Just give us Barracks before supply depot again


Really, going back there? You are the king of proxy rax or something?


no i just want to win before 10 min , otherwise its a 200/200 battle at 20 / 25 min , i love to see my opponent insult me , more than a GG "left game" , the game is much more fun and personal . I also miss 4-gate , many wins came from just defending it. Im gold league obviously.

I think the game will never be perfect , nobody will ever say the game is perfectly balanced , theres always different opinions...
But the best thing that could happen to SC2 is the release of HOTS.


LOL you maybe not the king of proxy - but you are are a royal Troll ^_^. (At least I hope you are)
Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before the fall.
ke_ivan
Profile Joined February 2011
Singapore374 Posts
February 24 2012 20:56 GMT
#1297
Blizz gonna nerf autoturret next.
fiveohfive
Profile Joined February 2012
Australia81 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-24 23:06:46
February 24 2012 23:06 GMT
#1298
On February 25 2012 01:32 tapk69 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 20:55 Doublemint wrote:
On February 24 2012 20:51 tapk69 wrote:
On February 24 2012 20:26 shizna wrote:
fix for terran = allow planetary fortresseses to lift-off

....and shoot while flying :D



no... Just give us Barracks before supply depot again


Really, going back there? You are the king of proxy rax or something?


no i just want to win before 10 min , otherwise its a 200/200 battle at 20 / 25 min , i love to see my opponent insult me , more than a GG "left game" , the game is much more fun and personal . I also miss 4-gate , many wins came from just defending it. Im gold league obviously.

I think the game will never be perfect , nobody will ever say the game is perfectly balanced , theres always different opinions...
But the best thing that could happen to SC2 is the release of HOTS.


Currently if you can't win early-mid game and complaining about that, you need to take a good look at yourself and figure why YOUR builds and plays aren't working. At that stage of the game everything is fairly balanced.

It's lategame Terran which is the problem. Don't be so quick to welcome hots either, only means more sudden patches to nerf/buff units and being an expansion it will most likely change the game dramatically.

EDIT: Mass recall?..... Over my dead body!
Terran, nerfed since '10. One ability at a time!
schubbidu
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany26 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-25 01:39:28
February 25 2012 01:39 GMT
#1299
After seeing the match between Nestea and Demuslim I have to agree: there is no way for terrans to deal with broodlords ...
PureBalls
Profile Joined January 2012
Austria383 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-25 02:09:56
February 25 2012 01:43 GMT
#1300
On February 25 2012 10:39 schubbidu wrote:
After seeing the match between Nestea and Demuslim I have to agree: there is no way for terrans to deal with broodlords ...



I hope terran crybabies have been watching that match. Especially G3.

It can only be described as "ghost are not even needed".
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