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Steglich
Profile Joined September 2011
Denmark282 Posts
February 25 2012 14:05 GMT
#1301
Terran tears are so sweet.
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
February 25 2012 15:02 GMT
#1302
On February 25 2012 10:43 PureBalls wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2012 10:39 schubbidu wrote:
After seeing the match between Nestea and Demuslim I have to agree: there is no way for terrans to deal with broodlords ...



I hope terran crybabies have been watching that match. Especially G3.

It can only be described as "ghost are not even needed".


Lol? Nestea literally handed every game to Demuslim. If he hadn't, it would have been a clean and easy victory.


I suggest you check out MVP vs Ret, too. Inb4 people start saying MVP is bad.
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
February 25 2012 15:04 GMT
#1303
On February 26 2012 00:02 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2012 10:43 PureBalls wrote:
On February 25 2012 10:39 schubbidu wrote:
After seeing the match between Nestea and Demuslim I have to agree: there is no way for terrans to deal with broodlords ...



I hope terran crybabies have been watching that match. Especially G3.

It can only be described as "ghost are not even needed".


Lol? Nestea literally handed every game to Demuslim. If he hadn't, it would have been a clean and easy victory.


I suggest you check out MVP vs Ret, too. Inb4 people start saying MVP is bad.


Gumiho beat MVP too. Does that make TvT imbalanced?
KicKDoG
Profile Joined December 2003
Sweden765 Posts
February 25 2012 15:10 GMT
#1304
wow this phoenix upgrade!
http://www.twitter.com/KicKDoG_LoL baylife plox?
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
February 25 2012 15:28 GMT
#1305
On February 26 2012 00:04 SeaSwift wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2012 00:02 Shiori wrote:
On February 25 2012 10:43 PureBalls wrote:
On February 25 2012 10:39 schubbidu wrote:
After seeing the match between Nestea and Demuslim I have to agree: there is no way for terrans to deal with broodlords ...



I hope terran crybabies have been watching that match. Especially G3.

It can only be described as "ghost are not even needed".


Lol? Nestea literally handed every game to Demuslim. If he hadn't, it would have been a clean and easy victory.


I suggest you check out MVP vs Ret, too. Inb4 people start saying MVP is bad.


Gumiho beat MVP too. Does that make TvT imbalanced?

No? But, firstly, Gumiho is in Code S. Ret is not. Second, before this patch, I don't think anyone would have dreamed of Ret beating MVP in even 1 game. Third, you need to watch the games to determine how it went down.

Either way, watching Nestea vs Demuslim and knowing that any transition into Ultralisks would have flatly won the game was painful to watch. Luckily Nestea threw it.
PureBalls
Profile Joined January 2012
Austria383 Posts
February 25 2012 15:31 GMT
#1306
On February 26 2012 00:02 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2012 10:43 PureBalls wrote:
On February 25 2012 10:39 schubbidu wrote:
After seeing the match between Nestea and Demuslim I have to agree: there is no way for terrans to deal with broodlords ...



I hope terran crybabies have been watching that match. Especially G3.

It can only be described as "ghost are not even needed".


Lol? Nestea literally handed every game to Demuslim. If he hadn't, it would have been a clean and easy victory.


I suggest you check out MVP vs Ret, too. Inb4 people start saying MVP is bad.

Looks to me like you are suggesting that Nestea is bad.
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
February 25 2012 15:34 GMT
#1307
Yea for all those Terrans still crying about broodlord and infestor... just watch Polt vs Lucky G3 semi finals...
envisioN .
Profile Joined February 2011
United States552 Posts
February 25 2012 15:38 GMT
#1308
For all you people Q.Q about BL/Infestor dominating Terran late-game, look at how TSL.Polt dismantled Lucky when Lucky went up to BL/Infestor in Game 3 of the Winter Assembly Semi-Finals. The key to beating it is harrassing in multiple locations with drops, marine-runbys and having a huge spread on the vikings in the final battle.
"Good works do not make a good man, but a good man does good works" -Martin Luther ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
DarQraven
Profile Joined January 2010
Netherlands553 Posts
February 25 2012 15:43 GMT
#1309
On February 26 2012 00:02 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2012 10:43 PureBalls wrote:
On February 25 2012 10:39 schubbidu wrote:
After seeing the match between Nestea and Demuslim I have to agree: there is no way for terrans to deal with broodlords ...



I hope terran crybabies have been watching that match. Especially G3.

It can only be described as "ghost are not even needed".


Lol? Nestea literally handed every game to Demuslim. If he hadn't, it would have been a clean and easy victory.


I suggest you check out MVP vs Ret, too. Inb4 people start saying MVP is bad.


So what I'm reading here is: "That match doesn't count, this one does. Btw, I forbid you to use the same argument I just did."
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
February 25 2012 15:55 GMT
#1310
To be perfectly honest, yes, I consider it silly when Nestea throws away LITERALLY 20 BLs attacking into Thors backed against a wall for absolutely NO reason. Further, I consider it silly that he never bothered to make Ultras, when they would have been a guaranteed win.

I'm not trying to claim that MVP played perfectly, or that Ret played badly. I'm claiming that without the Snipe nerf, all of these games would have been less gimmicky and more refined.

I've also noticed that nobody in this thread has supplied the compositional answer to BL/Infestor transitioning into Ultra/Ling.
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-25 16:02:59
February 25 2012 16:01 GMT
#1311
On February 26 2012 00:55 Shiori wrote:
To be perfectly honest, yes, I consider it silly when Nestea throws away LITERALLY 20 BLs attacking into Thors backed against a wall for absolutely NO reason. Further, I consider it silly that he never bothered to make Ultras, when they would have been a guaranteed win.

I'm not trying to claim that MVP played perfectly, or that Ret played badly. I'm claiming that without the Snipe nerf, all of these games would have been less gimmicky and more refined.

I've also noticed that nobody in this thread has supplied the compositional answer to BL/Infestor transitioning into Ultra/Ling.

If it wasn't already obvious... Marine + Tank + Medicvac + Viking + Marauder. The composition has never changed. Listen to Polt's interview. He says he didn't use ghosts that much even before the patch, and he didnt have much trouble. You just can't rely on a single super unit for everything and have to adjust the ratios depending on what you see.
WigglingSquid
Profile Joined August 2011
5194 Posts
February 25 2012 16:05 GMT
#1312
I don't like how this update turned out. Rather than nerfing Snipe against zerg T3, they have simply cut off the Ghost's unexplored metagame potential by narrowing it to a hard counter to psionic (plus EMP, but I don't think there is much to explore there). I am amazed by how nonchalantly they decided to employ a very wide-affecting method to fix what they felt was a narrow problem.
david0925
Profile Joined September 2010
212 Posts
February 25 2012 16:08 GMT
#1313
Ghost's unexplored metagame potential by narrowing it to a hard counter to psionic


I honestly didn't know what there was to explore about Snipe. It was a flat 45(?) damage before? All you needed to do is make a chart about what it is cost effective against. It's the same right now, just that the list is changed and people may not necessarily like it for obvious reasons
Snowbear
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1925 Posts
February 25 2012 16:31 GMT
#1314
On February 26 2012 00:38 envisioN . wrote:
For all you people Q.Q about BL/Infestor dominating Terran late-game, look at how TSL.Polt dismantled Lucky when Lucky went up to BL/Infestor in Game 3 of the Winter Assembly Semi-Finals. The key to beating it is harrassing in multiple locations with drops, marine-runbys and having a huge spread on the vikings in the final battle.


I think it's funny that you took this game as an example. On antiga polt was AHEAD, and played like a GOD, and even then it was way too close. In the other game polt was even more ahead. The game on antiga just showed me how strong broodlord infestor is.
Recognizable
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Netherlands1552 Posts
February 25 2012 16:34 GMT
#1315
On February 26 2012 00:34 teamsolid wrote:
Yea for all those Terrans still crying about broodlord and infestor... just watch Polt vs Lucky G3 semi finals...


Yes, everyone, let's point to one match where a terran wins and declare there is no problem.
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
February 25 2012 16:54 GMT
#1316
I'm just sad they nerfed the Ghost. of ALL BIO, THE GHOST was nerfed. Not the combat shield marine, or the robust Marauder, but the ghost......
acrimoneyius
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States983 Posts
February 25 2012 16:59 GMT
#1317
On February 26 2012 01:34 Recognizable wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2012 00:34 teamsolid wrote:
Yea for all those Terrans still crying about broodlord and infestor... just watch Polt vs Lucky G3 semi finals...


Yes, everyone, let's point to one match where a terran wins and declare there is no problem.


It's quite sad how often this type of logic pops up.
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
February 25 2012 17:00 GMT
#1318
On February 26 2012 01:05 WigglingSquid wrote:
I don't like how this update turned out. Rather than nerfing Snipe against zerg T3, they have simply cut off the Ghost's unexplored metagame potential by narrowing it to a hard counter to psionic (plus EMP, but I don't think there is much to explore there). I am amazed by how nonchalantly they decided to employ a very wide-affecting method to fix what they felt was a narrow problem.

Exactly. Pigeonholed the ghost into only an anti-caster. Ignored very strong combat shield marine and concussive marauder. Less exciting IMO.
give.ViviD
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden235 Posts
February 25 2012 17:18 GMT
#1319
On February 26 2012 00:38 envisioN . wrote:
For all you people Q.Q about BL/Infestor dominating Terran late-game, look at how TSL.Polt dismantled Lucky when Lucky went up to BL/Infestor in Game 3 of the Winter Assembly Semi-Finals. The key to beating it is harrassing in multiple locations with drops, marine-runbys and having a huge spread on the vikings in the final battle.


There are like a dozen people in the world who can do that,


....



the rest of us can't.
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
February 25 2012 17:27 GMT
#1320
On February 26 2012 02:18 Confuzzled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2012 00:38 envisioN . wrote:
For all you people Q.Q about BL/Infestor dominating Terran late-game, look at how TSL.Polt dismantled Lucky when Lucky went up to BL/Infestor in Game 3 of the Winter Assembly Semi-Finals. The key to beating it is harrassing in multiple locations with drops, marine-runbys and having a huge spread on the vikings in the final battle.


There are like a dozen people in the world who can do that,


....



the rest of us can't.

Also Polt had a pretty huge lead going into that; do you think that would've worked in an even game?
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