EPTPatch 1.4.3 21-27 February - Page 66
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Steglich
Denmark282 Posts
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On February 25 2012 10:43 PureBalls wrote: I hope terran crybabies have been watching that match. Especially G3. It can only be described as "ghost are not even needed". Lol? Nestea literally handed every game to Demuslim. If he hadn't, it would have been a clean and easy victory. I suggest you check out MVP vs Ret, too. Inb4 people start saying MVP is bad. | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On February 26 2012 00:02 Shiori wrote: Lol? Nestea literally handed every game to Demuslim. If he hadn't, it would have been a clean and easy victory. I suggest you check out MVP vs Ret, too. Inb4 people start saying MVP is bad. Gumiho beat MVP too. Does that make TvT imbalanced? | ||
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KicKDoG
Sweden765 Posts
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On February 26 2012 00:04 SeaSwift wrote: Gumiho beat MVP too. Does that make TvT imbalanced? No? But, firstly, Gumiho is in Code S. Ret is not. Second, before this patch, I don't think anyone would have dreamed of Ret beating MVP in even 1 game. Third, you need to watch the games to determine how it went down. Either way, watching Nestea vs Demuslim and knowing that any transition into Ultralisks would have flatly won the game was painful to watch. Luckily Nestea threw it. | ||
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PureBalls
Austria383 Posts
On February 26 2012 00:02 Shiori wrote: Lol? Nestea literally handed every game to Demuslim. If he hadn't, it would have been a clean and easy victory. I suggest you check out MVP vs Ret, too. Inb4 people start saying MVP is bad. Looks to me like you are suggesting that Nestea is bad. | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
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envisioN .
United States552 Posts
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DarQraven
Netherlands553 Posts
On February 26 2012 00:02 Shiori wrote: Lol? Nestea literally handed every game to Demuslim. If he hadn't, it would have been a clean and easy victory. I suggest you check out MVP vs Ret, too. Inb4 people start saying MVP is bad. So what I'm reading here is: "That match doesn't count, this one does. Btw, I forbid you to use the same argument I just did." | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
I'm not trying to claim that MVP played perfectly, or that Ret played badly. I'm claiming that without the Snipe nerf, all of these games would have been less gimmicky and more refined. I've also noticed that nobody in this thread has supplied the compositional answer to BL/Infestor transitioning into Ultra/Ling. | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On February 26 2012 00:55 Shiori wrote: To be perfectly honest, yes, I consider it silly when Nestea throws away LITERALLY 20 BLs attacking into Thors backed against a wall for absolutely NO reason. Further, I consider it silly that he never bothered to make Ultras, when they would have been a guaranteed win. I'm not trying to claim that MVP played perfectly, or that Ret played badly. I'm claiming that without the Snipe nerf, all of these games would have been less gimmicky and more refined. I've also noticed that nobody in this thread has supplied the compositional answer to BL/Infestor transitioning into Ultra/Ling. If it wasn't already obvious... Marine + Tank + Medicvac + Viking + Marauder. The composition has never changed. Listen to Polt's interview. He says he didn't use ghosts that much even before the patch, and he didnt have much trouble. You just can't rely on a single super unit for everything and have to adjust the ratios depending on what you see. | ||
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WigglingSquid
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david0925
212 Posts
Ghost's unexplored metagame potential by narrowing it to a hard counter to psionic I honestly didn't know what there was to explore about Snipe. It was a flat 45(?) damage before? All you needed to do is make a chart about what it is cost effective against. It's the same right now, just that the list is changed and people may not necessarily like it for obvious reasons | ||
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Snowbear
Korea (South)1925 Posts
On February 26 2012 00:38 envisioN . wrote: For all you people Q.Q about BL/Infestor dominating Terran late-game, look at how TSL.Polt dismantled Lucky when Lucky went up to BL/Infestor in Game 3 of the Winter Assembly Semi-Finals. The key to beating it is harrassing in multiple locations with drops, marine-runbys and having a huge spread on the vikings in the final battle. I think it's funny that you took this game as an example. On antiga polt was AHEAD, and played like a GOD, and even then it was way too close. In the other game polt was even more ahead. The game on antiga just showed me how strong broodlord infestor is. | ||
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Recognizable
Netherlands1552 Posts
On February 26 2012 00:34 teamsolid wrote: Yea for all those Terrans still crying about broodlord and infestor... just watch Polt vs Lucky G3 semi finals... Yes, everyone, let's point to one match where a terran wins and declare there is no problem. | ||
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
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acrimoneyius
United States983 Posts
On February 26 2012 01:34 Recognizable wrote: Yes, everyone, let's point to one match where a terran wins and declare there is no problem. It's quite sad how often this type of logic pops up. | ||
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
On February 26 2012 01:05 WigglingSquid wrote: I don't like how this update turned out. Rather than nerfing Snipe against zerg T3, they have simply cut off the Ghost's unexplored metagame potential by narrowing it to a hard counter to psionic (plus EMP, but I don't think there is much to explore there). I am amazed by how nonchalantly they decided to employ a very wide-affecting method to fix what they felt was a narrow problem. Exactly. Pigeonholed the ghost into only an anti-caster. Ignored very strong combat shield marine and concussive marauder. Less exciting IMO. | ||
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give.ViviD
Sweden235 Posts
On February 26 2012 00:38 envisioN . wrote: For all you people Q.Q about BL/Infestor dominating Terran late-game, look at how TSL.Polt dismantled Lucky when Lucky went up to BL/Infestor in Game 3 of the Winter Assembly Semi-Finals. The key to beating it is harrassing in multiple locations with drops, marine-runbys and having a huge spread on the vikings in the final battle. There are like a dozen people in the world who can do that, .... the rest of us can't. | ||
Elyvilon
United States13143 Posts
On February 26 2012 02:18 Confuzzled wrote: There are like a dozen people in the world who can do that, .... the rest of us can't. Also Polt had a pretty huge lead going into that; do you think that would've worked in an even game? | ||
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