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mr_flux
23 Posts
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pusmoh
Germany75 Posts
That doesn't make much sense to me, especially when the arena is just a side event and as such already not as interesting as the main events at the end of the season. | ||
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Fjolle
Denmark25 Posts
On February 14 2012 23:01 Thinasy wrote: And what exactly does GSL season payment have to do with MLG? That just proves the point even more, why should MLG be free if we have to pay for GSL? Yes it's a longer tournament with alot more content, but that doesnt change the fact that we are paying for it to watch it in decent quality. You talked generally about SC2. I am already paying for watching mlg pro circuit events in decent quality. It doesn't seem like it's the case any more, so i want my money back. E: I wouldn't sweat having to pay 20$ for a weekend, but with the timing for Europeans and the fact that I've already paid for it i won't do it. | ||
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Agathon
France1505 Posts
On February 14 2012 23:08 Thinasy wrote: Finally someone that understands how business works. 20USD is less money then I would pay for watching a movie at a cinema here in Sweden so yeah.. It definitely isnt much money we are talking about. Yes, it's cheep. And then? How does it mean it worth it? It doesn't for many people, even if they could pay double this price with selling one of their arm. | ||
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animus128
Germany43 Posts
First Reason is that I live in Germany, so the timezones are messed up. Second Reason that Assembly at the same time and in a better time zone for me. Overall I really think that 20$ are not that much money but this makes it more viable for me to pay for a whole year of GSL! For GSL i would pay around 100$ and get a year of content! | ||
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Thinasy
2856 Posts
On February 14 2012 23:11 Agathon wrote: Yes, it's cheep. And then? How does it mean it worth it? It doesn't for many people, even if they could pay double this price with selling one of their arm. No ofc, it's worth your time when it's free am I right? | ||
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Longshank
1648 Posts
On February 14 2012 22:36 KingRajesh wrote: $20 is nothing for 20 hours of entertainment. It's like 3 hours working at minimum wage. I spend $59.99 on most UFC Events, and those are only 2-3 hours. MLG is giving a bargain here. By this logic, paying $20k for SC2 is fair price as well for many people here considering how many hours of entertainment it gives us. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10856 Posts
On February 14 2012 23:12 Thinasy wrote: No ofc, it's worth your time when it's free am I right? I catch it when i'm home. I don't say home for it. So that now means i won't watch it when i have to pay. I imagine there are tons of people like me. I just doubt they will make more money that way... Oh, and this has like nothing to do with "growing" E-Sports.. but it has all to do with making MLG profitable. | ||
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CursedFeanor
Canada539 Posts
"I don't want to pay some ridiculously low price for something I love!" grow up kids. *sigh* life is about making choices. everyone here has enough money to afford such product (yes, everyone. just look at your wallet ffs. no 20$ bill there?) as long as they consider it to be worth it more then other stuff, which I certainly do. This is the right move from MLG and I realise now that I'm glad it might rid us of a bunch of spoiled kids such as many of the posters here. please don't give me the poor student crap... I'm still a student myself and I know what it's like. never met anyone who couldnt afford to hang out on a friday night for a couple of 8$ beers at the bar though... | ||
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BeerPong
6 Posts
On February 14 2012 22:59 Vadrigar wrote: PPV might work for the US, but it certainly doesn't in Europe. At least not in my part of Europe- nobody cares about us I know, but still. I also know that MLG's primary market is the US, but with this PPV shit they're just deleting Europe as a potential market. I'm sure not more than 1% of Europeans who used to watch MLG will pay. Let's compare SC2 with the other sports I watch- Premiership, Champions League, Formula 1, Tennis- all of them I watch for FREE. $20?!? That's my monthly bill for internet AND TV. Advertising is the ONLY way to go for esports. And don't tell me it's not enough. It's actually an easier market than the rest. Esports spawned new companies (Razer/ Steelseries for example) ffs! So there's a lot of money in it. Increase your advertising costs, don't fuck over your target customers! PPV will NOT work. I pay less than 10$ USD for tv + internet every month (and Bulgaria is the 3rd country with the fastest internet in the world after Romania and South Korea) .This shows the standarts in other countries that are not USA, so you can see that asking me to pay for 20$ USD is crazy talk. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10856 Posts
On February 14 2012 23:15 CursedFeanor wrote: holy crap... I expected this thread to be about 50% on each side, but I must say I'm kinda disappointed at the low level of maturity of TL right now... I expected more. "I don't want to pay some ridiculously low price for something I love!" grow up kids. *sigh* life is about making choices. everyone here has enough money to afford such product (yes, everyone. just look at your wallet ffs. no 20$ bill there?) as long as they consider it to be worth it more then other stuff, which I certainly do. This is the right move from MLG and I realise now that I'm glad it might rid us of a bunch of spoiled kids such as many of the posters here. please don't give me the poor student crap... I'm still a student myself and I know what it's like. never met anyone who couldnt afford to hang out on a friday night for a couple of 8$ beers at the bar though... I present you: Eastern Europe. Or basically next to any place in the world except NA, Western Europe and Japan/SK... | ||
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rotegirte
Germany2859 Posts
On February 14 2012 23:06 Anncoulpable wrote: By rational cost, you mean you want it free. People constantly feel ENTITLED to all of these tournaments, at no cost. I get that a lot of viewers aren't adults, but if that's the case, maybe they shouldn't be talking about what is and isn't fair or calling MLG some evil greedy corporation just because they are doing a few events that are PPV. If you don't even work and make money, you really aren't in a position to talk about 'fair pricing' or 'being greedy.' Charging $20 for one tournament that is an entire weekend long is not a lot of money for anyone who works for their money and doesn't have to ask mom and dad; obviously you are not their target audience for THIS event, while those of us who can afford it get a little something extra if we want. If it bothers you that much, and you're old enough, go get a job so you can afford GSL or an event like this. As a full time college student, I manage to pay my bills and afford to pay for GSL/GSTL/AoL and HD MLG streams. It has always been well within a reasonable price for the amount of quality content I receive, and I'll likely end up paying for these MLG events as well There is always subjective value. It is not the fact that MLG charges for content per se. It is the fact that with their current pricing policy they loose customers which they don't necessarily have to loose. Nor must it be particularly wise to do so. So people are voicing the opinion that it might not be the wisest move to settle on 20$ and forget. A more flexible payment model, a better integration of existing subscribers. Having options is rarely a bad thing. Sure, MLG can decide to be that Apple or that Lamborghini, and venture into new target groups. Just don't hold it against us, when you loose some on the way. The poll in EG's statement thread suggest there do exist about 60% of people willing to pay for content one way or the other. All of these have different motivations and limits, which could be catered to. MLG however with one-size-fits-them-all chose not to. | ||
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Tantaburs
Canada1825 Posts
On February 14 2012 23:13 Longshank wrote: By this logic, paying $20k for SC2 is fair price as well for many people here considering how many hours of entertainment it gives us. That logic is terrible. You realise that MLG is running a business and is trying to *gasp* make a profit. The increased both travel costs and prizepool for this MLG so they need a way to make more money. If you don;t think that 20$ is worth it to watch live then don't watch live wait 1 week and watch the vods. | ||
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Akta
447 Posts
On February 14 2012 22:53 Thinasy wrote: You don't know if ppv is needed to make esports grow. I'll even go as far as saying that not many in the business even think they know. That's not the point though is it? If people really want SC2 to continue as an e-sport and especially if people want it to grow then at some point we will have to pay. Im not sure why 90% of this thread feel that they should be entertained for free. | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On February 14 2012 23:15 CursedFeanor wrote: holy crap... I expected this thread to be about 50% on each side, but I must say I'm kinda disappointed at the low level of maturity of TL right now... I expected more. "I don't want to pay some ridiculously low price for something I love!" grow up kids. *sigh* life is about making choices. everyone here has enough money to afford such product (yes, everyone. just look at your wallet ffs. no 20$ bill there?) as long as they consider it to be worth it more then other stuff, which I certainly do. This is the right move from MLG and I realise now that I'm glad it might rid us of a bunch of spoiled kids such as many of the posters here. please don't give me the poor student crap... I'm still a student myself and I know what it's like. never met anyone who couldnt afford to hang out on a friday night for a couple of 8$ beers at the bar though... I can afford to pay for it. I want to watch it. I will not, however, pay for it, because it's bad in principle to pay for an overpriced product at the behest of its CEO who's appealing to the "good of eSports." The Sc2 community is not a Venture Capital firm (MLG already has one of those). They can go somewhere else if they want handouts, or they can reduce the price to 5 or 10 dollars. | ||
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mr_flux
23 Posts
On February 14 2012 23:16 Velr wrote: I present you: Eastern Europe. Or basically next to any place in the world except NA, Western Europe and Japan/SK... you can even take the whole Europe. With the timeslot they are going for it becomes much higher money spent / hours watched ratio than in US. I'm not saying I can't afford it but this is too bold of a move. In the current environment of sc2 we have way too much free stuff for this to be profitable. Yes starcraft will have to become profitable and I guess viewers will start paying with time but not 20$ right now. When you choose a product you compare it to costs and value of other similar products and in that sense I find this way too expensive. | ||
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Thinasy
2856 Posts
On February 14 2012 23:15 Velr wrote: I catch it when i'm home. I don't say home for it. So that now means i won't watch it when i have to pay. I imagine there are tons of people like me. I just doubt they will make more money that way... Oh, and this has like nothing to do with "growing" E-Sports.. but it has all to do with making MLG profitable. And how doesnt making MLG profitable help grow SC2 as an e-sport? MLG profitable = More MLG's = More content. | ||
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foen
Netherlands111 Posts
The less people buy this, the sooner we're rid of this. | ||
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skeldark
Germany2223 Posts
I will not pay a single cent for any sc2 event. I'm sick of this "let e-sport grow" talk. I don't care for e-sport. I don't care of the business model of tournament organisations. I don't care if players get 100k price money or nothing. I want to see good sc2 games, that's all. If you guys think that this "e-sport" will grow without guys like me you are wrong. If its not free to watch, only the few "support e-sport" guys will hang in there and it will slowly die. I think MLG understand that. They just want to milk the "gold" guys as long as possible. Who do you think will buy this tickets? Only the guys who already buy gsl and mlg gold tickets. No one else. | ||
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SovietHammer
United States166 Posts
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