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zomgE
498 Posts
On February 14 2012 23:28 ROFLOLLER wrote: Your one beer would cost me 3 hours of work and my job is still well paid in my country. Best ignore the immature tunnelvisioned (mostly) americans that make those comments-. No reason to pay this much when other similar events have been way less / more content. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
On February 14 2012 23:22 skeldark wrote: Many people act like you do something bad if you dont pay. If something is not free, i don't watch it. Done. I will not pay a single cent for any sc2 event. I'm sick of this "let e-sport grow" talk. I don't care for e-sport. I don't care of the business model of tournament organisations. I don't care if players get 100k price money or nothing. I want to see good sc2 games, that's all. If you guys think that this "e-sport" will grow without guys like me you are wrong. If its not free to watch, only the few "support e-sport" guys will hang in there and it will slowly die. I think MLG understand that. They just want to milk the "gold" guys as long as possible. Who do you think will buy this tickets? Only the guys who already buy gsl and mlg gold tickets. No one else. So basically you are saying that you are a selfish person with likely little income to spend and also think the community is full of people like you. It's possible, in which case the scene will slowly but surely die. What a stellar contribution. | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
On February 14 2012 23:15 CursedFeanor wrote: holy crap... I expected this thread to be about 50% on each side, but I must say I'm kinda disappointed at the low level of maturity of TL right now... I expected more. "I don't want to pay some ridiculously low price for something I love!" grow up kids. *sigh* life is about making choices. everyone here has enough money to afford such product (yes, everyone. just look at your wallet ffs. no 20$ bill there?) as long as they consider it to be worth it more then other stuff, which I certainly do. This is the right move from MLG and I realise now that I'm glad it might rid us of a bunch of spoiled kids such as many of the posters here. please don't give me the poor student crap... I'm still a student myself and I know what it's like. never met anyone who couldnt afford to hang out on a friday night for a couple of 8$ beers at the bar though... you seem pretty spoiled. i mean really, you talk about maturity and growing up yet you got no clue about any of us. for me, im working (besides doing school) just to go to australia for a year because my parents cant pay it for me. i just cant throw out 20 bucks here and there nor would i even think about going out and spend 8 bucks a beer because i work and hour for that. and thats in germany, one of the richer countries. just no words for you | ||
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kraut
374 Posts
On February 14 2012 23:15 CursedFeanor wrote: holy crap... I expected this thread to be about 50% on each side, but I must say I'm kinda disappointed at the low level of maturity of TL right now... I expected more. "I don't want to pay some ridiculously low price for something I love!" grow up kids. *sigh* life is about making choices. everyone here has enough money to afford such product (yes, everyone. just look at your wallet ffs. no 20$ bill there?) as long as they consider it to be worth it more then other stuff, which I certainly do. This is the right move from MLG and I realise now that I'm glad it might rid us of a bunch of spoiled kids such as many of the posters here. please don't give me the poor student crap... I'm still a student myself and I know what it's like. never met anyone who couldnt afford to hang out on a friday night for a couple of 8$ beers at the bar though... thats like buying apple products | ||
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Munchkin
Finland99 Posts
I bought it thinking I'd have access to MLG events for the next year. Maybe I am not reading this right.. but this is not the case anymore? What exactly did I pay for ...? | ||
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skeldark
Germany2223 Posts
On February 14 2012 23:26 Tantaburs wrote: There is nothing wrong with choosing not to pay. There is something wrong with demanding that it be free because you don't want to watch it. Remember that this is a "bonus" tornament. Following last years model we wouldn't have any mlg till columbus and then people would complain about the seeding system. If you don't want to watch it then don't watch it they are making the vods free to watch one week after the tourney so it isn't like you will never be able to see the games where exactly do i demand anything? I dont have a problem with mlg at all. I just say: they dont have anything im interested in. And just write my opinion that this hole thing is only to get money out of the same people as long as its possible and have nothing to do with growing something. But its your money and your decision to make not my. | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On February 14 2012 23:30 zul wrote: I am no student any more, but I remember the times and nobody had much money to spare. That`s the only point I wanted to make, since some comments were like "cmon guys, 20 bucks is nothing. pay it for the love of esports". Also it's not about just $20. I might spend three digits $ on esports during this year (gsl and other events). It's not really fair to say it's "just" $20, it all ads up. If more tournaments adopt this model there is a lot I just would not pay for, both for money and time issues. The question is if I can get better value for the total amount of spendings. I'm probably more inclined to pay for gsl special events and watch assembly for free during MLG. That said, if we want esports to grow, people will need to put their money where their mouth is and spend their money on esports. So I honestly wish MLG the best of luck with this even though I think there are better models out there they could try. Maybe for the next event they'll have a better understanding of what the market is willing to pay and adjust it. They really won't know unless they actually try it. | ||
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Roynalf
Finland886 Posts
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hillman
United States162 Posts
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keylow
Australia45 Posts
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skeldark
Germany2223 Posts
On February 14 2012 23:34 syllogism wrote: So basically you are saying that you are a selfish person with likely little income to spend and also think the community is full of people like you. It's possible, in which case the scene will slowly but surely die. What a stellar contribution. No. Im not selfish at all. I dont have little income. Its no problem for me to pay the 20 and i dont think the community is full of people like me. thats 3 misses out of 3. Obvious you just guess around and not even good. | ||
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Jochan
Poland1730 Posts
On February 14 2012 23:41 keylow wrote: What's the point of flying the players to ny if they arn't going to have a live audience. They are outlaying 100k in costs for what? To legitimize the competition? To make it fair for every participant ? | ||
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SolidMustard
France1515 Posts
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drgoats
United States310 Posts
On February 14 2012 23:31 AmericanUmlaut wrote: People need to keep in mind that lots of us don't have a problem with MLG deciding to use fees to pay for their production costs, but that MLG pulled a bait and switch on those of us that were stupid enough to pay for a year of content in advance. I understand that a lot of people here are not upset with the price increase and my post was directed towards those who were. But I also would argue that this is not a bait and switch. Your gold membership is still giving you what you expected and that is the 4 or 5 championships. Now they have added new content the viewers will have to pay more which makes sense since it costs them more to produce. I do think a discount for gold members would be a smart idea and something I think they will reconsider in the future. | ||
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Xalorian
Canada433 Posts
Will I pay it? No. Simply because there is TOO MANY SC2 tournament out there and I can't watch them all. If I have to make a choice, I will sadly have to scrap the one that charge me. Anyway, with my crappy bandwith, I can't watch HQ stream. Well, GSL is even charging the same, for more content, higher production value... and the LQ live stream is still free. Assembly it is. And those whining about the Gold Membership... it is stated no where that MLG Gold is giving you access to every single piece of content for free... it is simply stated that you get to watch every championship for free, in HD... and it is not the championship, it's the arena. There is actually just MORE content. Gold is still giving you exactly the same thing than before. I don't know why anyone would expect gold to give you access for more than what you paid for, just because they are adding content. | ||
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Xcobidoo
Sweden1871 Posts
On February 14 2012 23:36 Munchkin wrote: I'm having a hard time understanding the the bit about Gold Membership... I bought it thinking I'd have access to MLG events for the next year. Maybe I am not reading this right.. but this is not the case anymore? What exactly did I pay for ...? You're getting to watch the grand finals for these things but the qualifiers are 20 dollars a pop. Makes sense I know  | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10811 Posts
i understand stuff like GSL season tickets or MLG-Gold... But this? Just feels weird/overpriced to me.... I mean, its something else when its like 5$ as it was for HSC3.. That felt more like a "donation" or a way to say thx for something awesome than an actual fee. Now this here feels like i would pay MLG for something i never asked them for? Flying tons of players for no reason to the US and then charging extra for this really seems weird. As a Gold member i would be really pissed. Btw: I get the vibe that MLG in general has one big problem: The underdeveloped Proscene in the US. MLG kinda "has" to fly in Koreans and Europeans or the tournament will just be pretty weak alltogether (or at least be looked at as pretty weak). So they need to find a way to get Koreans and to a lesser extend Europeans to the USA which is really expensive... | ||
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Loulz09
9 Posts
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Depetrify
978 Posts
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Longshank
1648 Posts
On February 14 2012 23:44 Jochan wrote: To legitimize the competition? To make it fair for every participant ? That's a very noble and respectable intention, if they had the funds to back it up. But consider how MLG is supposedly struggling financially it makes no sense at all. You don't do that and then come 'guys, we're broke, we need to try this PPV shit if we're to survive'. | ||
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