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AzBozz
Germany518 Posts
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LoNeLyTrOoPeR
United States32 Posts
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Heff87
United States106 Posts
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Youtakenocandle
543 Posts
On February 14 2012 23:57 phyre112 wrote: I'm a student, in America. I have a part time job that goes to paying for my room and board, since my tuition is covered on a combination of merit and need based aid. I've been 21 for two months, and I've been to a bar once, for one drink because I quite simply cannot afford to do it. kills me every Monday, thursday, friday and saturday when some group of people I know is going to head to a bar, and I have to tell them that I can't come. Just because you live in a bubble, doesn't mean the whole world is the same way. I spent $20 on dinner, cumulatively from last thursday to today (tuesday). Should I decide to spend $20 on this MLG event, that's 3-5 days that I will not be able to eat dinner. If I had $20 to drop on events on a regular basis, I would be attending my school's basketball games, heading to a bar for a night, or taking a pretty girl out for dinner. While I do enjoy watching e-sports events, the 3-5 hours of games I would manage to catch live is not at all a suitable choice for something to drop my money on, so I'll catch the more interesting games some time next week when the VODs are up free, and play the rest in the background while I'm studying. So you skip those others things because you can't afford them. Do you whine to the bar for asking money for their drinks? Nope you don't. Then why do people do it for things on the internet. It's a really strange trend. If you can't afford it, then too bad. Better luck next time. | ||
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Tarotis
Germany1931 Posts
On February 15 2012 00:02 LoNeLyTrOoPeR wrote: Unlike probably 90% of the people posting in this thread, I have a job. $20 is not a lot people. It's $1 per hour of good entertainment. MLG has also stepped up from 2011, so it's probably going to be a lot better. I'll gladly be paying for this. Its a lot for people out of poor families being students or pupils | ||
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mr_flux
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BadBinky
Finland649 Posts
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benkei
Spain51 Posts
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Thurken
961 Posts
But i didn't expect that... I really hope it fails so other esports organizations do not follow the same lead. It would be a bad day for esports fan if it was the start of a new economic model | ||
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natebreen
United States184 Posts
No one is going to watch every game or series over that weekend unless they're a serious neckbeard/foreveralone, so there's really no distinction between paying or not in terms of VODs. | ||
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Jojo131
Brazil1631 Posts
On February 15 2012 00:00 ceaRshaf wrote: This is a myth. If nobody makes money out of ESPORTs how the hell are we overrun with 10-20k prize money tournaments all around? The scene would not be growing if money weren't all around. Sponsors invest for the advertising. It's not supposed to directly give them what they invested. The rest of the people in this buisness get payed. So stop with the charity expression. Its not a myth, unless all of the community members involved directly with esports events that posted on this thread and several others are big fat liars. Your call. Edit: inb4 "OH BUT THEY MAKE MONEY OFF OF AD REVENUE DUUUH" We're talking about enough money to sustain the industry, ad revenues are like gravy according to these guys. | ||
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dubRa
2165 Posts
On February 14 2012 23:26 Thinasy wrote: Nice, "I want to see good sc2 games, that's all.. oh wait it has to be free ofc. Cause everyone likes to entertain for free, that's what I belive atleast, because im ignorant". Why is free esports such an absurd idea? Imagine for a moment that the whole of esports comes from people going for a LAN and having fun. No sponsors involved. Then they set up a stream for those at home. As numbers got higher, sponsors got involved and the LANs could happen more often. That was all. Some people want huge growth, amazing player salaries and 100.000 for first prize. On the other hand, some other, including me wants simply esports. So many tournaments fighting for the 100k or so spectators of sc2 resulted in the current environment. Every tournament feels they need to double their production cost for every season. It is no wonder MLG can't sustain. I can see a faint CGS syndrome in the works. Then again I know very little about CGS, I was just a spectator. For those who wishes to pay MLG I am happy you do. I wish you get your money's worth. I will have other things to keep me entertained. | ||
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BearDK
Denmark101 Posts
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
On February 15 2012 00:02 LoNeLyTrOoPeR wrote: Unlike probably 90% of the people posting in this thread, I have a job. $20 is not a lot people. It's $1 per hour of good entertainment. MLG has also stepped up from 2011, so it's probably going to be a lot better. I'll gladly be paying for this. You do know that if MLG makes money out of this ppv all the tournaments will switch? Are you ready to pay that money all over the Esports scene? Don't you prefer that they make money out of ads? On February 15 2012 00:03 Jojo131 wrote: Its not a myth, unless all of the community members involved directly with esports events that posted on this thread and several others are big fat liars. Your call. I repeat, if they weren't making money they wouldn't be here. It's simple. And sponsors do it for advertising and that's paying for recognition. | ||
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
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netsky4
Austria511 Posts
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Youtakenocandle
543 Posts
On February 14 2012 23:59 Talin wrote: The problem is that the organizers and companies want to act as legitimate businesses, but at the same time they don't want their customers to act as consumers that evaluate the product based on its own merit, and are instead trying to guilt trip them into sympathy for e-sports or whatever. You can't have it both ways. In reality, they can't offer a product worth that much money no matter what they do. Most of Starcraft 2 content is limited to watching the actual Starcraft 2 in-game screen and action. Production value, no matter how good it may be, adds little to no extra quality and incentive to buy the product. It's still the same Starcraft, it's still the same players, and everything else is of trivial importance. I agree on the first part. The whole guilt tripping thing is pathetic. It's almost like begging. I don't agree with the second thing you said though. Yes it's still the same SC2. But there are famous players, especially flown in from around the world. Arranged for you to play there, in a speciall set up hall. That's what makes it costly. And again if that's not enough to warrant 20$, then don't buy it. Supply and demand will even out the prices. But 'free' is not a price that is sustainable. | ||
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Aristodemus
England1985 Posts
On February 15 2012 00:02 Youtakenocandle wrote: So you skip those others things because you can't afford them. Do you whine to the bar for asking money for their drinks? Nope you don't. Then why do people do it for things on the internet. It's a really strange trend. If you can't afford it, then too bad. Better luck next time. A drink at a bar is something ONLY you are consuming, maybe principle over price is the reason people dont want to pay. | ||
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enzym
Germany1034 Posts
20$ for a weekend tournament that isn't part of the Circuit vs 19.99$ for an entire month worth of games of a league that actually matters, which also happens to be the highest rated league competition wise. Really, MLG? I really like following Grubby, so next thing I checked was the player list of MLG and Assembly. Unfortunately MLG has too many Koreans, which means that the end result is rather predictable, and only one player I'm personally interested in seeing. Assembly easily tops that and is free. Really, MLG? So on the one hand I really love seeing Grubby and I will miss following his progression, but 20$ to follow just one player of interest, to see so few games with a rather predictable end result, with way more viable events on the horizon, is not something I can justify... at all. And this really saddens me. | ||
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Xcobidoo
Sweden1871 Posts
On February 15 2012 00:04 ceaRshaf wrote: You do know that if MLG makes money out of this ppv all the tournaments will switch? Are you ready to pay that money all over the Esports scene? Don't you prefer that they make money out of ads? Why would everyone switch? If everyone switched that would mean that the community had stopped growing and it's time to sit down and start cashing in. This is not the case and the current amount of people are NOT enough to support something like this just yet. Making every tournament PPV (at these prices) would stop growth and mean less money in the long run, which I think most organizers understand. If ESL wanted they could probably have invite-only tournaments and make people pay more but they don't because they understand that they'll get more viewers in the long run if lots of different players with growing fanbases enter their tournaments. | ||
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