EPTEveryone understands that things cost different amounts of money. Unless we're specifically choosing one over the other for this weekend in February it is irrelevant. When I am deciding to buy something rarely do I compare its price with everything else in the known universe that also costs money. It pretty much begins and ends with "Do I want this? y/n. Do I want it for x amount of dollars? y/n"
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
Everyone understands that things cost different amounts of money. Unless we're specifically choosing one over the other for this weekend in February it is irrelevant. When I am deciding to buy something rarely do I compare its price with everything else in the known universe that also costs money. It pretty much begins and ends with "Do I want this? y/n. Do I want it for x amount of dollars? y/n" | ||
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Vadrigar
Bulgaria2379 Posts
Let's compare SC2 with the other sports I watch- Premiership, Champions League, Formula 1, Tennis- all of them I watch for FREE. $20?!? That's my monthly bill for internet AND TV. Advertising is the ONLY way to go for esports. And don't tell me it's not enough. It's actually an easier market than the rest. Esports spawned new companies (Razer/ Steelseries for example) ffs! So there's a lot of money in it. Increase your advertising costs, don't fuck over your target customers! PPV will NOT work. | ||
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archonOOid
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Thinasy
2856 Posts
On February 14 2012 22:57 Fjolle wrote: I'm pretty sure that i already paid for my gold membership and a couple of GSL seasons... And what exactly does GSL season payment have to do with MLG? That just proves the point even more, why should MLG be free if we have to pay for GSL? Yes it's a longer tournament with alot more content, but that doesnt change the fact that we are paying for it to watch it in decent quality. | ||
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DwD
Sweden8621 Posts
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Agathon
France1505 Posts
On February 14 2012 22:53 Thinasy wrote: That's not the point though is it? If people really want SC2 to continue as an e-sport and especially if people want it to grow then at some point we will have to pay. Im not sure why 90% of this thread feel that they should be entertained for free. First Sundance or MLG are not the futur of SC2 in the world. Just a small part in the world and an important (but not the most) part in NA. Second, he we want it to grow, we need more viewers. Not less viewers who pay more. | ||
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xilaratu
United States233 Posts
1) Gold members not getting Arena - These are customers who are already paying you 2) PPV Event on the same weekend as Assembly - This is absolutely going to KILL your viewership. Where there are cheaper alternatives for entertainment of the same caliber, you will not succeed. 3) This is just going to fall flat on its face given the number of free options available in the SC community. I know you have stated that advertising isn't enough, but there has to be a better way than running a PPV event on the same weekend as a free event when both feature high-caliber players. I will probably not be watching, moreso because my vested interest in Starcraft entertainment is a relatively small hobby, and I can't justify spending $20 on it when there are so many other ways to get it for free - streams, free events, etc. That said, I have attended 2 MLG events in 2011 and they were an absolute blast. Here's to hoping you can find a model that keeps you afloat. | ||
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Thinasy
2856 Posts
On February 14 2012 23:01 Agathon wrote: First Sundance or MLG are not the futur of SC2 in the world. Just a small part in the world and an important (but not the most) part in NA. Second, he we want it to grow, we need more viewers. Not less viewers who pay more. Not the "Whole" future, but MLG sure is a part of it atm atleast. | ||
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horsebanger
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keyStorm
Canada316 Posts
On February 14 2012 22:57 Krainer wrote: The more that I think about it the more I think of ways it should be done better. I dont think it should be PPV, implement Blizzards micro-transactions.... Just think one free stream on low quality with JP and a misc guest caster, casting games, advertising 4 paid streams, upcoming games, interesting matches. You pay 2$ for red, 2$ for blue, 2$ for orange (pay for your favorite caster(s)). Pay 2$ for 720p, 4$ for 1080p high definition. 2$ for that muti display thing. 4$ for VODs uploaded after every match. I would pay for1-2 streams, and 720p. Which would put me at 6$, alot more than any other MLG thus far and possibly 6$ more than I will be paying. What would you pay for? What do you think MLG can do to attract your money? High-Quality video, not !"$"/% one. So a baneling and a zergling is distinguishable. That and good casting! What you suggest would be harder to implement and manage , more costly and a mess imo for not much more benefit. You can always watch streams the rest of the time for free with commentaries.. | ||
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kiy0
Portugal593 Posts
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Calyeah
United Kingdom32 Posts
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mr_flux
23 Posts
Also, I think it sound a little be like MLG is taking an easy way out. Yeah costs might have increased with all of the qualifiers but they could also have made more money on those if they put more effort into it. Qualifiers happened way too fast in too large volume, there was no type to build up hype and sustain interest like that. Also time slots were kinda weird too. For example EU qualifiers would be broadcast way too late for EU audience. I get broadcasting KR events for EU or US but EU has many viewers as well, and they are much more interested in EU players than US audience, so why not show choose a better time slot? Anyway, 20$ is way too expensive at this point. Don't forget that as soon as you go into PPV it becomes MLG vs GSL. And I lean towards GSL in this match-up. | ||
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OrchidZerg
United States32 Posts
On February 14 2012 22:44 teddyoojo wrote: maybe they should rethink their business model if their tournament is bigger and more expensive but in the end the content is worse. oh wait. they get the money in through other sources else there would be no way mlg would use that kind of business model. so theres no way 20$ are justified. in the end the viewer doesnt care about mlg, all they care about is good content at a rational cost. By rational cost, you mean you want it free. People constantly feel ENTITLED to all of these tournaments, at no cost. I get that a lot of viewers aren't adults, but if that's the case, maybe they shouldn't be talking about what is and isn't fair or calling MLG some evil greedy corporation just because they are doing a few events that are PPV. If you don't even work and make money, you really aren't in a position to talk about 'fair pricing' or 'being greedy.' Charging $20 for one tournament that is an entire weekend long is not a lot of money for anyone who works for their money and doesn't have to ask mom and dad; obviously you are not their target audience for THIS event, while those of us who can afford it get a little something extra if we want. If it bothers you that much, and you're old enough, go get a job so you can afford GSL or an event like this. As a full time college student, I manage to pay my bills and afford to pay for GSL/GSTL/AoL and HD MLG streams. It has always been well within a reasonable price for the amount of quality content I receive, and I'll likely end up paying for these MLG events as well | ||
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KingOfLion
Poland6 Posts
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Thinasy
2856 Posts
On February 14 2012 23:06 Anncoulpable wrote: By rational cost, you mean you want it free. People constantly feel ENTITLED to all of these tournaments, at no cost. I get that a lot of viewers aren't adults, but if that's the case, maybe they shouldn't be talking about what is and isn't fair or calling MLG some evil greedy corporation just because they are doing a few events that are PPV. If you don't even work and make money, you really aren't in a position to talk about 'fair pricing' or 'being greedy.' Charging $20 for one tournament that is an entire weekend long is not a lot of money for anyone who works for their money and doesn't have to ask mom and dad; obviously you are not their target audience for THIS event, while those of us who can afford it get a little something extra if we want. If it bothers you that much, and you're old enough, go get a job so you can afford GSL or an event like this. As a full time college student, I manage to pay my bills and afford to pay for GSL/GSTL/AoL and HD MLG streams. It has always been well within a reasonable price for the amount of quality content I receive, and I'll likely end up paying for these MLG events as well Finally someone that understands how business works. 20USD is less money then I would pay for watching a movie at a cinema here in Sweden so yeah.. It definitely isnt much money we are talking about. | ||
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rotegirte
Germany2859 Posts
On February 14 2012 23:01 Thinasy wrote: And what exactly does GSL season payment have to do with MLG? That just proves the point even more, why should MLG be free if we have to pay for GSL? Yes it's a longer tournament with alot more content, but that doesnt change the fact that we are paying for it to watch it in decent quality. The fact that personal budget is finite | ||
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Redfoxbk
Australia2 Posts
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
On February 14 2012 23:06 Anncoulpable wrote: By rational cost, you mean you want it free. People constantly feel ENTITLED to all of these tournaments, at no cost. nice assumption. yet i payed for hsc 3/4 and gsl. im not calling mlg greedy just dumb. | ||
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Xcobidoo
Sweden1871 Posts
On February 14 2012 22:36 KingRajesh wrote: $20 is nothing for 20 hours of entertainment. It's like 3 hours working at minimum wage. I spend $59.99 on most UFC Events, and those are only 2-3 hours. MLG is giving a bargain here. Again with the comparisons to UFC which is already massively overpriced to say the least. As are most PPV events compared to normal television subscriptions etc. Also, yes $20 might not be much where you live and might not be much for many other people aswell but the demographic that SC2 is for are probably students or people with low income and large expenses. Add to that fact that SC2 is global and you'll be hard pressed to NOT find a lot of places where $20 is something that you can just piss away. | ||
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