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On February 14 2012 22:33 teddyoojo wrote:
how in the world do they justify 20$?
gsl is 10$, and you get WAY more than 20 hours and better players.
20$ is just blown out of proportion.
Costs. This is the price point they, based on the data they have available, think is required for them to justify hosting a tournament of this size and expenses. They may turn out to be wrong and adjust accordingly, but they aren't charging $20 because they are being greedy, at least in the sense this thread thinks it's being greedy.
Some people will look at the price and make the same conclusion as you, some may not. In the end all that matters is how many are willing to pay, not how many people in this thread vocally complain.
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On February 14 2012 07:54 Grumbels wrote:
Please don't let this become a 100 page thread filled with bitter arguments and complaints. :o
this guys name is "grumbels" too
i found this humorous
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i think mlg is screwed for this event,even if they realise they have to lower the price and do,people are still going to be angry.
tbh i was really looking for a weekend of mlg/assembly/all star game/eu football as it is my two last days at home with internet for at least a year but eh,guess ill settle for everything but mlg;)
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On February 14 2012 22:36 KingRajesh wrote:
$20 is nothing for 20 hours of entertainment. It's like 3 hours working at minimum wage.
I spend $59.99 on most UFC Events, and those are only 2-3 hours.
MLG is giving a bargain here.
You have to consider that a great part of the audience is a pupil/student. They dont earn money and 20$is too much for them
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Lol @ MLG... They need to rethink this.
Assembly it is. 
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On February 14 2012 22:38 Tarotis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 22:36 KingRajesh wrote:
$20 is nothing for 20 hours of entertainment. It's like 3 hours working at minimum wage.
I spend $59.99 on most UFC Events, and those are only 2-3 hours.
MLG is giving a bargain here. You have to consider that a great part of the audience is a pupil/student. They dont earn money and 20$is too much for them
then they won't pay.
MLG does make money off a free stream. The more viewers they geet the more ad revenue they get. If you don't support a PPV system then don't tune in for the winter arena. If there viewer number take a huge hit then they will lose money and next time it will be free. TBH it isn't that much money. I would assume that the main events will still have a free stream and there are what 3 arenas in a year(?) so thats $60 a year. The only reason i won't be buying a pass for this is that i live in canada with a 75gb bandwidth cap sahred between 5 people in my house so i just don't have the bandwidth to watch HD streams
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On February 14 2012 22:37 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 22:33 teddyoojo wrote:
how in the world do they justify 20$?
gsl is 10$, and you get WAY more than 20 hours and better players.
20$ is just blown out of proportion. Costs. This is the price point they, based on the data they have available, think is required for them to justify hosting a tournament of this size and expenses. They may turn out to be wrong and adjust accordingly, but they aren't charging $20 because they are being greedy, at least in the sense this thread thinks it's being greedy. Some people will look at the price and make the same conclusion as you, some may not. In the end all that matters is how many are willing to pay, not how many people in this thread vocally complain.
maybe they should rethink their business model if their tournament is bigger and more expensive but in the end the content is worse.
oh wait. they get the money in through other sources else there would be no way mlg would use that kind of business model. so theres no way 20$ are justified.
in the end the viewer doesnt care about mlg, all they care about is good content at a rational cost.
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On February 14 2012 22:37 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 22:33 teddyoojo wrote:
how in the world do they justify 20$?
gsl is 10$, and you get WAY more than 20 hours and better players.
20$ is just blown out of proportion. Costs. This is the price point they, based on the data they have available, think is required for them to justify hosting a tournament of this size and expenses. They may turn out to be wrong and adjust accordingly, but they aren't charging $20 because they are being greedy, at least in the sense this thread thinks it's being greedy. Some people will look at the price and make the same conclusion as you, some may not. In the end all that matters is how many are willing to pay, not how many people in this thread vocally complain.
I doubt the 20$ will even come close to refinance the remaining season. What several voices of the industry have stated recently is absolutely true. It's no rainbows and shit. Understandable for companies trying to get away from being charity. But on the other hand, it's a two-way-relationship.
As much as MLG is business, so is my wallet. At this point, I'm not convinced as a customer. No amount of sweet words and appealing can change that but providing a superior product. And since I am a highly conservative consumer, I won't be an early adopter.
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This seems like such a strange idea. One of the best parts of MLG is the huge live audience and the atmosphere it creates. To suddenly put on an exclusive tournament with no live audience and asking a small number of online viewers to pay for all of it just seems so backwards. It makes me think of the awesome 1-day tournament that Dreamhack put on. The tickets sold out instantly and paid for flying in the players and the prize money, any ad revenue from the free HD stream was just gravy as I understand it. And the atmosphere was awesome. Now that's something that grows e-sports, instead of a small exclusive expensive event.
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Well MLG just lost my support now. I do understand their reasons for this though. With such a huge fan-base, they could make a lot of potential money from people who are WILLING to pay the $20. Though the price is just ridiculous. Even if it were $5 I would still hesitate to pay the fee. I could much better spend the $20 towards something else.
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Actually 20$ for a week-end long event is really cheap, yes i would like it to be free but think about it...how much does it cost for an evening at a bar or see a live band performing?
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On February 14 2012 22:48 keyStorm wrote:
Actually 20$ for a week-end long event is really cheap, yes i would like it to be free but think about it...how much does it cost for an evening at a bar or see a live band performing?
And for everyone outside of your timezone it is more or less wasted money.
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I'm watching the vods a week later thank you very much
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On February 14 2012 22:48 keyStorm wrote:
Actually 20$ for a week-end long event is really cheap, yes i would like it to be free but think about it...how much does it cost for an evening at a bar or see a live band performing?
And how much do you pay for a weekend of Assembly or Dreamhack?
Oh...
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On February 14 2012 22:51 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 22:48 keyStorm wrote:
Actually 20$ for a week-end long event is really cheap, yes i would like it to be free but think about it...how much does it cost for an evening at a bar or see a live band performing? And how much do you pay for a weekend of Assembly or Dreamhack? Oh...
That's not the point though is it? If people really want SC2 to continue as an e-sport and especially if people want it to grow then at some point we will have to pay. Im not sure why 90% of this thread feel that they should be entertained for free.
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On February 14 2012 22:53 Thinasy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 22:51 Velr wrote:On February 14 2012 22:48 keyStorm wrote:
Actually 20$ for a week-end long event is really cheap, yes i would like it to be free but think about it...how much does it cost for an evening at a bar or see a live band performing? And how much do you pay for a weekend of Assembly or Dreamhack? Oh... That's not the point though is it? If people really want SC2 to continue as an e-sport and especially if people want it to grow then at some point we will have to pay. Im not sure why 90% of this thread feel that they should be entertained for free.
Yup, you have to relaize that nobody makes money out of E-Sports yet. If we want e-sports to grow, we have to pay. There is no way around that. As a german though I definetely wont pay 20$ as I wont be able to see much of it. I would think about it if it would be a lower price, but 20 is too much...
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On February 14 2012 22:36 KingRajesh wrote:
$20 is nothing for 20 hours of entertainment. It's like 3 hours working at minimum wage.
I spend $59.99 on most UFC Events, and those are only 2-3 hours.
MLG is giving a bargain here.
Stop comparing a sport that is based on another sport(Boxing) that has had hundreds of years of following and that people purchase to watch primarily for violence and bloodshed(big seller). To a 2 year old video game played by nerds who sit in a booth to see who has the faster/smarter brain and quicker hands.
Apples and Oranges. That market was built up over decades for that pricing model. SC2 is NOWHERE near that.
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On February 14 2012 22:53 Thinasy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 22:51 Velr wrote:On February 14 2012 22:48 keyStorm wrote:
Actually 20$ for a week-end long event is really cheap, yes i would like it to be free but think about it...how much does it cost for an evening at a bar or see a live band performing? And how much do you pay for a weekend of Assembly or Dreamhack? Oh... That's not the point though is it? If people really want SC2 to continue as an e-sport and especially if people want it to grow then at some point we will have to pay. Im not sure why 90% of this thread feel that they should be entertained for free.
I'm pretty sure that i already paid for my gold membership and a couple of GSL seasons...
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The more that I think about it the more I think of ways it should be done better. I dont think it should be PPV, implement Blizzards micro-transactions....
Just think one free stream on low quality with JP and a misc guest caster, casting games, advertising 4 paid streams, upcoming games, interesting matches. You pay 2$ for red, 2$ for blue, 2$ for orange (pay for your favorite caster(s)). Pay 2$ for 720p, 4$ for 1080p high definition. 2$ for that muti display thing. 4$ for VODs uploaded after every match. I would pay for1-2 streams, and 720p. Which would put me at 6$, alot more than any other MLG thus far and possibly 6$ more than I will be paying.
What would you pay for? What do you think MLG can do to attract your money?
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