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On February 14 2012 22:07 siii wrote:
Is any big sport/event free to watch? No it isn't. One may argue that esports needs more time to establish before they start using this business model, or the prices has to be lower. _But_ sooner or later for esports to become "big", ppv has to go through.
yes there is..
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who care NA lan? when we have on Europe MORE POWERFULL LAN at normal time and more stranger players than NA? (Incontrol Machine and other ,,osom,, player to blocked slot all time) + invited KR pro ?
sorry for me english
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On February 14 2012 22:07 Xcobidoo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 22:04 Zzoram wrote:On February 14 2012 22:03 Longshank wrote:On February 14 2012 21:31 zaii wrote:Guys we can Force Sundance/MLG to cancel all Arena events if we make this one flop, Would mean no more 20$ and Gold membership wouldn't lose value.![[image loading]](http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p287/zane14785/Flop.jpg) From the other thread, pretty sinister way of advertising something that's not part of the pro circuit. ![[image loading]](http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/7641/wintercircuit.png) lol Sundance He even advertises it as a Pro Circuit Arena, while telling us that it's not part of the Pro Circuit so Gold Memberships shouldn't give you the stream Yup, the qualifiers for the pro circuit with the same name is not part of the pro circuit. Standard.
They should make the Arena events have no impact on the pro circuit, then I could buy the backpedaling that is going on. But they would then loose some interest from audience and players.
It is very easy to piss of your customers, it is harder to gain back the trust. They have done it once, will be interesting to see if they can manage it twice.
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On February 14 2012 22:10 GizmoPT wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 22:07 siii wrote:
Is any big sport/event free to watch? No it isn't. One may argue that esports needs more time to establish before they start using this business model, or the prices has to be lower. _But_ sooner or later for esports to become "big", ppv has to go through. yes there is..
Maybe on your tv, but don't you think the tv channel payed for the rights to air it? If they're not producing it themselves that is.
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On February 14 2012 22:12 siii wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 22:10 GizmoPT wrote:On February 14 2012 22:07 siii wrote:
Is any big sport/event free to watch? No it isn't. One may argue that esports needs more time to establish before they start using this business model, or the prices has to be lower. _But_ sooner or later for esports to become "big", ppv has to go through. yes there is.. Maybe on your tv, but don't you think the tv channel payed for the rights to air it? If they're not producing it themselves that is.
if they are buying the rights its cause they will get money from somewhere for showing it to a lot of people
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On February 14 2012 22:10 jianming wrote:
lol at all the armchair lawyers and free business lessons in this thread.
the fun part is, no matter which amount of "real" lawyers or "real" businessmen you hire doesn't change the impression that no one is going to buy your product. last time I checked those "real" people were also accountable for a very "real" financial crisis. job well done, I'd say.
it's no rainbows. Sundance is right, but it goes both ways. my wallet is mean and lean business also.
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On February 14 2012 22:07 siii wrote:
Is any big sport/event free to watch? No it isn't. One may argue that esports needs more time to establish before they start using this business model, or the prices has to be lower. _But_ sooner or later for esports to become "big", ppv has to go through.
actually you are mistaken ,
most soccer , basketball Olympics events are free , and even in public channels .
not to mention stuff like pool poker - some more niche events .
just looking at the numbers of LoL streams against SC2,
i might be UN-objective , but lol is a lot less interesting to watch then sc2.
but it has much more exposure thanks to the free advertising on the client.
i think it will be hard to bet against the argument that SC2 need a lot more exposure to reach his potential (or die).
i think it will also be hard to argue against that PPV is the absolute opposite from allowing exposure toward new crowd .
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On February 14 2012 22:14 GizmoPT wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 22:12 siii wrote:On February 14 2012 22:10 GizmoPT wrote:On February 14 2012 22:07 siii wrote:
Is any big sport/event free to watch? No it isn't. One may argue that esports needs more time to establish before they start using this business model, or the prices has to be lower. _But_ sooner or later for esports to become "big", ppv has to go through. yes there is.. Maybe on your tv, but don't you think the tv channel payed for the rights to air it? If they're not producing it themselves that is. if they are buying the rights its cause they will get money from somewhere for showing it to a lot of people
But you pay for the tv channels, don't you?
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On February 14 2012 22:12 siii wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 22:10 GizmoPT wrote:On February 14 2012 22:07 siii wrote:
Is any big sport/event free to watch? No it isn't. One may argue that esports needs more time to establish before they start using this business model, or the prices has to be lower. _But_ sooner or later for esports to become "big", ppv has to go through. yes there is.. Maybe on your tv, but don't you think the tv channel payed for the rights to air it? If they're not producing it themselves that is.
and they paid for it with....add revenue;)not ppv.
with the huge decline in viewers theyre going to get,their add revenue is going to fall.im sure they already made those predictions,just hope for them someone didnt add a zero or forget a coma somewhere in the addition.
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On February 14 2012 22:15 haflo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 22:07 siii wrote:
Is any big sport/event free to watch? No it isn't. One may argue that esports needs more time to establish before they start using this business model, or the prices has to be lower. _But_ sooner or later for esports to become "big", ppv has to go through. actually you are mistaken , most soccer , basketball Olympics events are free , and even in public channels . not to mention stuff like pool poker - some more niche events . just looking at the numbers of LoL streams against SC2, i might be UN-objective , but lol is a lot less interesting to watch then sc2. but it has much more exposure thanks to the free advertising on the client. i think it will be hard to bet against the argument that SC2 need a lot more exposure to reach his potential (or die). i think it will also be hard to argue against that PPV is the absolute opposite from allowing exposure toward new crowd .
Well yes, you might look at them as free. But don't you think public channels are financed from somewhere?
From your tax money, or as in certain countries from licenses to own a tv/the public channel.
They main point being, there are a lot of money involved.
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would love to be sitting in when the marketing team have to report how the community took the news
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On February 14 2012 22:16 siii wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 22:14 GizmoPT wrote:On February 14 2012 22:12 siii wrote:On February 14 2012 22:10 GizmoPT wrote:On February 14 2012 22:07 siii wrote:
Is any big sport/event free to watch? No it isn't. One may argue that esports needs more time to establish before they start using this business model, or the prices has to be lower. _But_ sooner or later for esports to become "big", ppv has to go through. yes there is.. Maybe on your tv, but don't you think the tv channel payed for the rights to air it? If they're not producing it themselves that is. if they are buying the rights its cause they will get money from somewhere for showing it to a lot of people But you pay for the tv channels, don't you? Don't know about gizmopt but I don't pay for any channels and I watch a lot of sports on tv, for example UFC.
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On February 14 2012 22:12 siii wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 22:10 GizmoPT wrote:On February 14 2012 22:07 siii wrote:
Is any big sport/event free to watch? No it isn't. One may argue that esports needs more time to establish before they start using this business model, or the prices has to be lower. _But_ sooner or later for esports to become "big", ppv has to go through. yes there is.. Maybe on your tv, but don't you think the tv channel payed for the rights to air it? If they're not producing it themselves that is.
No free TV Football/Tennis matches with ads in Norway ? Sad for you.
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Currently i feel like I'm being blindfolded by everyone who is making a living off E-sports. Everyone involved in the business side of things tells us that in order for us to make sc2 grow we have to start injecting money into it or else its going to crumble. How do we know this? The community is always in the dark, we are expected to keep throwing money at events all for the sake making e-sports grow, without asking questions.
If we take a look at European football it is evident that a lot more is known about the financial situation of clubs and players. We know exactly how much each player and coach makes even though they make 1000X the amount of money anyone sc2 makes, hell we even know how much debt a club has. This results in people actually knowing where their money is going. If fans of Barcelona know that their club is having some financial problems as fans they might feel obliged to maybe buy 1 or 2 shirts in order to support their team because they know that the team is desperate.
Now sc2 they tell us NOTHING but the good ol' "you want e-sports to grow? well then give me money" As long as we are kept in the dark its gonna give the community the feeling that we are being cheated on. If i pay those 20$ will that go to directly back into sc2 or will it be used to create content for LOL, COD and Halo as well? For all we know that money might be going directly into Sundance's pocket. I'm not asking to see every little detail of MLG's business model/incentives just a little bit more than "If we sell 100,000 memberships before the national championship I will raise the prize pool. A lot. Next season too."
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On February 14 2012 22:16 siii wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 22:14 GizmoPT wrote:On February 14 2012 22:12 siii wrote:On February 14 2012 22:10 GizmoPT wrote:On February 14 2012 22:07 siii wrote:
Is any big sport/event free to watch? No it isn't. One may argue that esports needs more time to establish before they start using this business model, or the prices has to be lower. _But_ sooner or later for esports to become "big", ppv has to go through. yes there is.. Maybe on your tv, but don't you think the tv channel payed for the rights to air it? If they're not producing it themselves that is. if they are buying the rights its cause they will get money from somewhere for showing it to a lot of people But you pay for the tv channels, don't you?
I pay for the Internet connexion too.
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On February 14 2012 22:18 Agathon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 22:12 siii wrote:On February 14 2012 22:10 GizmoPT wrote:On February 14 2012 22:07 siii wrote:
Is any big sport/event free to watch? No it isn't. One may argue that esports needs more time to establish before they start using this business model, or the prices has to be lower. _But_ sooner or later for esports to become "big", ppv has to go through. yes there is.. Maybe on your tv, but don't you think the tv channel payed for the rights to air it? If they're not producing it themselves that is. No free TV Football/Tennis matches with ads in Norway ? Sad for you.
+Formula 1, Moto-GP, Olympics (summer and Winter)... tons of other stuff. I can watch Formula 1 at like 4-5 channels...
Yes, there is a yearly fee.. But I would also have to pay that just for owning a car-radio.. So the argument with the Tax-Money does not hodl that well.
PPV never really took off here. At least not for single channels.
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On February 14 2012 21:05 Bulkers wrote:
I would really like to see Financial reports of MLG for 2011, Im 100% sure it was big success mostly because of sc2 exploding and they got quite a profit. Sundance twitter suggest that they barely afford to live, and without 20$ PPV weekends they would afford max 2 MLG's this year... smells like a lie to me.
I think you don't understand business or the costs associated with putting on a big production.
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If MLG released their financial situation to the public, would that increase support for PPV?
For example, if he breaks down all his costs and income, and shows us the net loss he's taking and why he needs PPV to make up the difference. That should be more convincing than the "we're poor, give us money" approach.
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Fuck MLG im watching assembly 
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