I simply wanted to reach Master league. When I did that my interest in the game stopped, cause there is no reasonble possibility that I would ever reach GM without treating the game like a job.

Tiegrr

United States607 Posts

February 13 2012 14:15 GMT

#23

Yeah.. I have to deal with ladder phobia every time I get on. The only way for me to steel myself is watching streams for at least an hour. :l

darkscream

Canada2310 Posts

February 13 2012 14:15 GMT

#24

On February 13 2012 23:14 IOvEggY wrote:

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im guessing team liquid is not a community.

Is team liquid instead starcraft 2? No?

the point he was making was regarding the fact that you can't do chat channels and clans and friends the way Bnet 1.0 let you do.

StarBrift

Sweden1761 Posts

February 13 2012 14:16 GMT

#25

I can only speak for master league opponents but I think the most prevalent reason for why players at my level stopped playing is that too many people are flipping coins. It's simply not fun to go up against 70%+ 6pools, 4gates, scv all ins etc. Even if you win. Even in top master those things have started to come back. Maybe because alot of serious players stopped laddering.

The other big reason is that the blizzard map pool is getting seriously far away from the progamer map pool. The metagame in pro games simply can't be played on blizzard maps. Especially as a zerg I feel that on the GSL maps I have a good chance to beat both the other races while on blizzard maps they still have a lot of really horribly bad elements on their maps.

They keep on adding maps with rocks in the way of third bases or ridiculously long distances to thirds and they don't understand that this completely destroys zergs chances to play anything but all in coinflip styles. It's so retardedly obvious that rocks ONLY severely affect zerg as terran and protoss WILL have units that can kill those rocks before they need to take it. Forcing zerg to play 2 base vs 2 base has completely ruined the zerg ladder experience on most maps. The only map where zerg can go 3 base vs 2 base safely is antiga and that shit still has gold in the middle and an impossible 4th base.

This has beens aid before but it's absolutely true. Blizzard needs to scrap ALL their maps. They have not produced a single map fit for tournament play save maybe metalopolis which also happens to be the most straightforward boring map ever made and HURDUR it has a gold base in the middle!

I wish blizzard would just fucking swallow the pill and use a mixture of GSL/MLG/IEM/IPL maps that are NOT made by themselves. They design team has shown again and again that they have no understanding of the game on a higher level. I could type up walls of text on every map on how its either imbalanced in favor of zerg or terran or protoss at really crucial and gamebreaking moments but who want's to hear that rant? I also don't feel like typing it up since I know blizzard will ignore it and 50 gold-platinum players will critisize my understanding of the game.

Telcontar

United Kingdom16710 Posts

February 13 2012 14:18 GMT

#26

I'm hardly laddering anymore because I just don't find the game that fun to play (or even watch). Not sure if I'm going to buy any of the expansions at this point.

teer

United States189 Posts

February 13 2012 14:19 GMT

#27

theres absolutely nothing to aim for other than a promotion. There is no goal, no end game, nothing to brag about or to achieve. It's just a loop of unending matches with no real purpose, community building or anything. Its been more fun to just join a bnet room and get to know some people and play customs with them. You actually can chat and hangout and get to know some peoples.

Hantak

Chile59 Posts

February 13 2012 14:19 GMT

#28

As a student and a platinium level Terran i try to ladder (1vs1's) the most, but when i got "time" to do it i can play 3-10 games per day as top. I just simple dont have the time to play more than a low amount of games. i think my average per day games is about 2, with weeks when i just cant afford to use my time in Sc2.

Other thing... well, its really frustrating to play TvP's for me... and i get lucky if i ever get matched up against a Z player and even more rarely against a fellow T. Seems like the big mayority of players are either P or Z players. I think the last about 20 games ive played against 10 protoss, about 6 zergs and 4 terrans, and 2 of thoses T's where random players who got T :S

So thats the reasons why i dont ladder much lately. Its time consuming and its usually TvP after TvP, wich is one of the most frustrating games to deal with as T because if you dont manage to kill the Toss before he gets double forge a couple collosus and templar tech you are pretty much done.

Dunno about ladder "fear", its something that will always be there, the anxiety of losing and the strong feeling that you MUST win. Its part of any competitive game, even more on thoses who rely heavily on speed and decision making of a single person.
Some kind of incentive for laddering? well i guess the points are nice, new portraits and stuff, things to customize your army, etc. but thats already there, after playing Sc2 since the release i got barely 403? wins as 1vs1 T, havent played with any other race for 1vs1 ladder. and about 680 total wins as ive started playing 2vs2s random previous seasson, the amount of achievements and decalls seems rather unatainable for me.

Cosmos

Belgium1077 Posts

February 13 2012 14:22 GMT

#29

Both your proposals are good imo, purchasing stuff with ladderpoint would be great (even if it's as useless as graphs/portraits) and reducing ladder fear too, altho I don't know how to reduce it.

ShatterZer0

United States1843 Posts

February 13 2012 14:23 GMT

#30

Shitty UI. No reason to play ladder.

zuperketla

Norway212 Posts

February 13 2012 14:28 GMT

#31

cuz bnet 2.0 is teh sux

Bloog

United States44 Posts

February 13 2012 14:28 GMT

#32

Masters protoss here, thought I'd give my 2 cents.

Perfect anecdote here should explain why I have no interest in 1v1.

Play one match as P, beat a zerg and he BMs me the whole game and afterwards.

Play a match as terran, I get proxy marauder rushed.

3rd match is against protoss, and I get cannon rushed and lose.

3 matches, all were garbage because people insist on playing the way I described above. I completely agree, you can play the game however you see fit, but wow it takes so much away from what a good match can actually be.

Anyway, because of that nonsense (which is actually the rule, not the exception) I enjoy spending my time playing 3s with friends and watching GSL.

Genetic

Canada84 Posts

February 13 2012 14:29 GMT

#33

Honestly, the NA ladder is all Protoss lol

After all these Terran nerfs it's no real wonder why either. I recently gave up T for P. And ever since I did laddering has been boring. I'm at 5 PvP, 1 PvT, 1 PvZ lol

Hence, I'm now involved in a long game of Civ 5. Lol

Zuxo

Sweden395 Posts

February 13 2012 14:30 GMT

#34

Because it became boring to play. Or at least that was the case for me sadly.

i3rainless

Germany34 Posts

February 13 2012 14:30 GMT

#35

The seasons are definatly shorter and I think this is the main reason, why that drastic drop happend.

Some players can't loose and are frustrated because of that, if you are one of that guys I think SC2 and every other comptetive online game is a bad game for you(maybe try an EA Game or WOW :D) . You need the mindset that you can learn a lot from lost games and not the mindset damn I lost, my opponets race is OP. shitty game.
Let's face the facts each race can win against each other race so don't whine and have a look at the replay to find out where you lost.
The same for Counterstrike, LoL, WC3, SC1.
I played Counterstrike a long time before playing SC2. If you play CS comptetive you also need the ability to take a loose and learn from it.
In my opinion Blizzard must not make changes to make the game more attractive for causal gamers. This would be like taking the Queen out of chess to make it easier understandable for causal chess gamers.

The only thing Blizzard can do to make SC2 more attractive for causal gamers is to make a Online Campaign where maybe 2 or more Guys can play with different races the Campaign and get like super upgrades and stuff, tune there units and play together against AI. This would be a fun thing for some guys I think.

Jesushooves

Canada553 Posts

February 13 2012 14:31 GMT

#36

Because it is the same with most things in life, it is fun and not too difficult at first, but then becomes more difficult and less rewarding over time. It is often more fun to play a new game as opposed to increasing skill of the "old" game.

As for myself, I am finding sc2 to be just as fun as it was to begin with, but for lower level players I imagine the game can just be too frustrating to bother improving (sorry if I sound elitist).

Elvin

149 Posts

February 13 2012 14:32 GMT

#37

Because the game is rotten at it's core.

Snotling

Germany885 Posts

February 13 2012 14:32 GMT

#38

people loose interest like they do with every other game after a while.
+you cant just play a bit of sc2 every other week, because you wont win any games if you dont practice regularly

OrangeApples

137 Posts

February 13 2012 14:32 GMT

#39

The transition from high diamond to low masters was ridiculous for me. I kept running into masters and consistently beat them, but never got promoted. Eventually I just stopped laddering for like 2 seasons then started up again. Encountered the same problem, stopped 1v1ing until new season and finally got masters from placement.

Taefox

1533 Posts

February 13 2012 14:33 GMT

#40

Because its hardly to get leagues promoted, you have to play a lot a lot against many kids, rubbishes and bad manners over the ladder.
The Seasons length's pretty short anyway =(