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Please DISCUSS the changes and the impact they will have on gameplay.
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On February 11 2012 04:05 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 04:04 Ventor wrote:
Is it just me or does it seem like terrans won't be happy unless they are dominating both the other races? Agreed. Terrans are too used to abusing the game, so when they get nerfed and start losing at 50% ratio, their heads explode.
The thing is(and I don't even play T, I play Z but have played my fair share of games with random) T is harder to play at mid masters level compared to Z and especially P. So while T might be the best race at the highest level(and I don't think that even that is the case anymore) most players don't have the skill to take advantage of that fact.
Of course you are pissed if you are in that situaiton :p
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On February 11 2012 04:05 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 04:04 Ventor wrote:
Is it just me or does it seem like terrans won't be happy unless they are dominating both the other races? Agreed. Terrans are too used to abusing the game, so when they get nerfed and start losing at 50% ratio, they're heads explode.
How about they address the T early game, and not nerf the already weak T late game? These arguments aren't stemming from the fact that T will suddenly lose more - I'd argue that they won't. They will just cheese more, and the win ratios will stay the same.
Seriously, half of the posts in this thread are worrying about the quality of TvZ games, yet you still post like this? I'm sure most Terrans will be absolutely fine with nerfs in the early game, as long as the late game can be sustained on even footing with Zergs.
Unfortunately, it seems like Blizzard is content with forcing Terrans to be the cheesing race until HoTS at the earliest.
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On February 11 2012 04:04 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 04:03 fishinguy wrote:
The cycle of whining and nerfs continue, terran will adapt noobs will whine more.
Story of SC2 so far infestor buff then nerf ? not like blizz is smart ...
Nony once talked about this on sotg, blizzard actually does this very smartly by buffing a unit (maybe even too much) to make sure people use it a lot (which kinda happened with the infestor which was heavily underused before the buff) and then they can still nerf it to make it perfectly balanced.
You guys are all just mad that the game is starting to be actually balanced and terran is no longer by far the strongest race. You suck at tvp now because you were so used to emp stim-a-move roflstomp protoss before the emp nerf and now you can't just build ghost to kill everything tvz lategame. As terran becomes less OP it also becomes more skillful to play, and especially in lower leagues (aka what 90% of the people on tl are in) skill is something everyone lacks so a lot of people are having a hard time as their race is not as easy as it used to be. Also I can't believe that you guys don't have the skills to play terran right is even a valid argument, unless you love winning (in which case you should play another game tbh) you probably play starcraft because you love the challenge it gives you to push yourself and improve, if your skills aren't enough (in your eyes) to play terran right then get of these forums, start practicing, and actually get better.
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On February 11 2012 04:09 Recognizable wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 04:08 sAsImre wrote:On February 11 2012 04:07 Yaki wrote:On February 11 2012 03:59 werynais wrote:
Make Ghost 200/100 -> Nerf EMP -> Nerf Snipe -> Remove Ghost? -> Remove Terran? Sorry but ghost 150/150 to 200/100 was a buff. I forgot that every kor T wasnt floating 2k gaz in late game... oh wait ... Against protoss that change was a buff, against zerg it was a nerf. TvP you are generally gast starved untill your 7th and 8th gas, and then still ifyou keep killing eachothers army you will be gas starved. But TvZ you have plenty of gas lategame and the extra minerals are nice for more orbitals/marines etc.
lol
it's the contrary bro... totally the contrary...
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Terran's figured out something to deal with zerg lategame? after months of comunity saying (why T's dont use ghosts late game, etc etc.)
Know what, its a little bit OP? NP we will nerf it.
Ok i admit that snipe can be a little OP if played in the hands of a 400 APM player. But doesn't zerg and protoss have a "slightly" OP features too? Why doesn't it get nerfed then?
But when Terran figures something out of ordinary after so much nerfs, it gets nerfed pretty much a couple months after.
And zergs were having so much trouble in ladder, that like i find 7 out of 10 in EU ladder games. Now will i get what? 90% of TVZ's? xD
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On February 11 2012 04:08 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 04:07 Yaki wrote:On February 11 2012 03:59 werynais wrote:
Make Ghost 200/100 -> Nerf EMP -> Nerf Snipe -> Remove Ghost? -> Remove Terran? Sorry but ghost 150/150 to 200/100 was a buff. I forgot that every kor T wasnt floating 2k gaz in late game... oh wait ...
I don't really like terran a lot but I agree here xD This was supoosed to be a buff and failed pretty bad at it.
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On February 11 2012 04:08 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 04:07 Yaki wrote:On February 11 2012 03:59 werynais wrote:
Make Ghost 200/100 -> Nerf EMP -> Nerf Snipe -> Remove Ghost? -> Remove Terran? Sorry but ghost 150/150 to 200/100 was a buff. I forgot that every kor T wasnt floating 2k gaz in late game... oh wait ...
I consider it a nerf too.. mainly because in tvp terran only needs 3 gas, and is generally mineral starved. Getting more gas quicker just means adding another refinery which is pretty simple; I can't say the same about getting more minerals though (in early-mid game at least).
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Holy shit, first putting good tournament maps into the ladder pool... now a very good sounding patch? Way to go blizzard! Stepping up their game!
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On February 11 2012 04:08 CyDe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 04:04 Ventor wrote:
Is it just me or does it seem like terrans won't be happy unless they are dominating both the other races? zerg or protoss whining has more credibility than a terran whining, for some reason.
Win rates, mostly.
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On February 11 2012 04:08 Belial88 wrote:
Blizzard patches, as always, are way ahead of everyone else. It's amazing how much they really know about the game.
lol i have completely different opinion, it really seems they have no freaking idea what they are doing, look on bunker or fungal changes, they are just shooting blanks and hoping they hit something ....
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On February 11 2012 04:07 Tulkas25 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 04:03 Everlong wrote:On February 11 2012 03:59 archonOOid wrote:
those terrans who are mad at blizz remember that terran has never been under 50% winrate in the tvz matchup. there is still marauders against ultralisks and vikings against broodlords. With this in mind terran needs to learn to scout in the late game and choose either one of those units instead of just massing out on ghosts. Ok, I scan Greater Spier, I make Vikings -> I SOMEHOW kill Infestors/Broodlords/Corruptors -> Zerg makes 200 Ultras -> I lose.. Can you help me? Dont bother explaining anymore dude..It's not in the zerg's plane of understanding that we CAN'T tech switch like them,and that our "late" game units don't force responds but simply counter their own units.I really feel that the next 6 months for terran are going to be terrible.Hoping for the best.Never give up never surrender!
Thank you Tulkas for your wise words, we need to adapt, and we will, lets see what will be the next Terran nerf!
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No way real APM is coming back?
I never though I'd live to see the day. Thank god.
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I guess Terran will be doing more all-ins and timing attacks from now on. You got what you asked for Z 
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On February 11 2012 04:08 CyDe wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 04:04 Ventor wrote:
Is it just me or does it seem like terrans won't be happy unless they are dominating both the other races? Is it just me or does it seem like zerg and protoss won't be happy unless... well ever actually. A zerg or protoss whining has more credibility than a terran whining, for some reason.
Probably because Terran has consistently been the best race in the game since... the beta? >.>
Terran is whining about these nerfs, but they're the ones who have been the best of the best. Give the other races a chance to win some GSLs for crying out loud. Let's see some 50-50 win percentages on the race vs. race graphs!
Terran keeps getting nerfed, and they've still been winning more frequently. That doesn't mean you stop nerfing them or stop pointing out the flaws that still exist. You need to do what it takes to achieve balance.
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Wow cool changes. Finally a gold mule nerf! Now terrans won't like mine out a gold in 2 minutes!
I'm really terrified of range 6 phoenixes though >.<
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Why 25(+25) and not 35(+15) ?
I mean ... 20/45 it's 44% of damage lesser ... Is it an act of balancing ????
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What the hell. This patch actually seems really really good O_O. No complaints here thank god for ghost nerf finally :D
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On February 11 2012 04:10 Salteador Neo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2012 04:08 sAsImre wrote:On February 11 2012 04:07 Yaki wrote:On February 11 2012 03:59 werynais wrote:
Make Ghost 200/100 -> Nerf EMP -> Nerf Snipe -> Remove Ghost? -> Remove Terran? Sorry but ghost 150/150 to 200/100 was a buff. I forgot that every kor T wasnt floating 2k gaz in late game... oh wait ... I don't really like terran a lot but I agree here xD This was supoosed to be a buff and failed pretty bad at it.
it's not a question of liking a race or not. Imo the real problem is that my race T is based around the most OP unit in the game : the marine. Our early game is godlike because marines /w cs/stim are (one of?) the most cost-efficient unit in the game. So our late game have to suck, and indeed it does, but at this point it just encourages abusive all in from T because we've the best (and by a huge margin) t1 unit.
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Looks good to me. Blizzard is on a roll with the season 6 map changes and now this patch. Nice job Blizzzzzzzzzzzz!
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