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Roynalf
Finland886 Posts
On February 11 2012 04:04 Everlong wrote: He is sarcastic, because there is nothing to say here, TvZ lategame is just fucked up now.. Micro and nothing will die to ultras | ||
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peppilepew
93 Posts
On February 11 2012 04:10 Lorch wrote: Nony once talked about this on sotg, blizzard actually does this very smartly by buffing a unit (maybe even too much) to make sure people use it a lot (which kinda happened with the infestor which was heavily underused before the buff) and then they can still nerf it to make it perfectly balanced. You guys are all just mad that the game is starting to be actually balanced and terran is no longer by far the strongest race. You suck at tvp now because you were so used to emp stim-a-move roflstomp protoss before the emp nerf and now you can't just build ghost to kill everything tvz lategame. As terran becomes less OP it also becomes more skillful to play, and especially in lower leagues (aka what 90% of the people on tl are in) skill is something everyone lacks so a lot of people are having a hard time as their race is not as easy as it used to be. Also I can't believe that you guys don't have the skills to play terran right is even a valid argument, unless you love winning (in which case you should play another game tbh) you probably play starcraft because you love the challenge it gives you to push yourself and improve, if your skills aren't enough (in your eyes) to play terran right then get of these forums, start practicing, and actually get better. i like this post alot, saying that ur not good enough to play a certain race and then complaining about balance is the most retarded thing ive ever heard, go practise, get better and stop whining | ||
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TG Manny
United States325 Posts
On February 11 2012 04:05 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote: Agreed. Terrans are too used to abusing the game, so when they get nerfed and start losing at 50% ratio, their heads explode. Terrans are feeling helpless vs t3 from other races. We all know how TvP is, which is fine (and easy to mess up w/o pro level play on both sides and those windows of messing up are easily exploited), and now TvZ is going to turn the same way. TvX will turn into timing-attack based play even moreso rather than techy macro play. It'll only get worse as time goes on, as players get better and the only devastating thing T can do to "even up" macro advantages of enemies who we cannot damage with primary engagements is drops (which are becoming spotted and dealt with easier and easier at all levels). MULE change was needed, I agree with it. Ghost change might have been, as I haven't seen many zergs QQ about "snipes" but more about difficulty keeping the terran from doing damage late-game with 2 simultaneous attacks to gain posture advantages. ghosts cost a lot of gas and minerals and for them to have no real ability to do permanent damage on their own can be very harmful, especially in the TvT MU. Why get ghosts without wanting to nuke? no reason. Even then, nuking would be hard with scans. Ghosts in TvP aren't nearly as deadly as Templar IMO and the same goes for Infestors in TvZ. With no good permanent damage option against non-spell casters then you could tech switch multiple ways as Z and roll the T army (corruptor BL infestor to force vikings into ultra-infestor-ling to lower tank count into ling bling muta vs essentially bio). T needs a semi-reliable "catchall" in late-game, as their army can't be selected as easily as P or Z (20 muta vs 15 infestor or 20 stalker vs 20 zealot warpin to terran constant production mechanics where they have to guess what units they need to make facilities). | ||
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Zedders
Canada450 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On February 11 2012 04:15 adwodon wrote: Gold bases is needed. Snipe change is perhaps a bit much, it needs a change though. I cant say much for other races as I play Terran but for gods sake if they want to nerf us could they please address the Raven? The Battlecruiser (at least remove the energy bar so feedback doesn't kill everything)? If they are willing to put in upgrades to fix a problem wheres the hive tech speed boost for Hydras?! Its a good patch, but theres still some huge problems. Terrans higher tech units (bar ghost) are garbage, ghost made up for that, with the nerf I would've hoped to able to use those 2 other units we have that are supposed to fill late game roles. I think the Raven would be cool if it was ammo based. One PDD, one HSM and 2 turrets that didn't expire. That would be worth the price if you could use them all in a row and it didn't get hit by feed back. | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On February 11 2012 04:16 Darksoldierr wrote: Actually at MMO listening to the majority is better overall, as for here, i highly agree with you End-game content was turned to crap. But anyway, waht bother me is that atm no balance patch was needed. They just need the game to evolve by itself and not by bullshit patches. | ||
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nucLeaRTV
Romania822 Posts
On February 11 2012 04:16 Roynalf wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwCYAiDXdNg Micro and nothing will die to ultras Nothing will kill the ultras either. | ||
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Zorgaz
Sweden2951 Posts
On February 11 2012 04:14 AcrossFiveJulys wrote: The snipe change is so bad... I can't believe people are rejoicing. This makes TvZ so much harder late game, right at a point when terrans had figured out how to win late game TvZ 50% of the time instead of 20% of the time. Now it's going to be a race against the clock, just like TvP. I do think mass ghost snipe is stupid, so fine, nerf it, but buff something else terran has instead, or nerf broodlord/corrupter/infestor in some way. All the happy zergs out there, are you really looking forward to facing way more 2 base timing attacks from terran players? What about watching way more 2 base timing attacks TvZ in the GSL? :/ And blizzard completely ignores late game TvP? WTF? So glad I uninstalled the game a week ago. Yeah I'm amazed that Blizzard hasn't acknowledge Terran's problems in the lategame but once?! How can they not see it!? Maybe i should just go back to playing Random again, I get too frustrated playing with terran as it is right now, this isn't helping xD | ||
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Everlong
Czech Republic1973 Posts
On February 11 2012 04:15 Roxy wrote: I would happily accept a T buff lategame if there was a T nerf early game delicate though. immortal and voidray all-ins are pretty strong against terran. what nerf/buff would you suggest? I would personaly like to see a little love for the raven. Remove thos freakin strike cannons and give Thor something useful.. Oh, it's being removed? Nevermind.. :D I just wait for HOTS so I can play some macro oriented mech.. I'd gladly give away all my ghosts, reapers for a single unit or upgrade that would allow me to play macro lategame.. | ||
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Roynalf
Finland886 Posts
PFs | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
i still think being able to snipe a massive armored unit like the ultralisk is counter-intuitive though. it fears not little pinprick snipe bullets. | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
Ultras are quite good vs PF. Marau rapes them as long as you can avoid fungal, which is perfect imo | ||
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TrueSyzygy
60 Posts
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Roxy
Canada753 Posts
On February 11 2012 04:16 Roynalf wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwCYAiDXdNg Micro and nothing will die to ultras dude.. no.. thats stupid that is the same logic that people who say stalkers can kite marines infinitely and pheonix can kite mutas infinitely. it is actually impossible and no human can do it vs another human. also, given the stalker attack delay, im pretty sure it is actualyl physically impossible for a stalker to shoot an a-moving marine without taking 1 hit. | ||
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thurst0n
United States611 Posts
These changes seem pretty dramatic overall as far as balance goes, I think the meta-game will be maturing a lot very shortly. | ||
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Treehead
999 Posts
Pros Paraphrased TLO: Good changes, maybe too heavy on the snipe nerf. Grubby: Good changes Incontrol: Some stuff about new unit countering options - seems like he thinks the changes were good/obvious. Beastyqt: Other races becoming too easy and nerfing terran. TT1: Put the phoenix change on the cyber core. Naniwa: Upgrade on fleet beacon is worthless. Everyone else Terran: You made it worse. Terran now has no chance against anyone. Protoss: You didn't change anything. *jedi mind trick* Zerg: Zergs now have no chance against P. Did I get that right? | ||
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Darksoldierr
Hungary2013 Posts
On February 11 2012 04:17 sAsImre wrote: End-game content was turned to crap. But anyway, waht bother me is that atm no balance patch was needed. They just need the game to evolve by itself and not by bullshit patches. Ye your right, they destroyed end game raiding, but 90% of the players never seen it before any nerfs, in the long run that what matter for them | ||
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Qaatar
1409 Posts
On February 11 2012 04:15 Roxy wrote: I would happily accept a T buff lategame if there was a T nerf early game delicate though. immortal and voidray all-ins are pretty strong against terran. what nerf/buff would you suggest? I would personaly like to see a little love for the raven. I think Beastyqt posted earlier about buffing the Raven. Buffing hunter seeker damage and the Raven's movement speed would be a nice start. | ||
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unix04
United States89 Posts
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Deleted User 183001
2939 Posts
 .I'm a little meh about the ghost nerf. I rarely use Phoenixes and the FB comes so late, that IDK how the Phoenix change will affect me lol. | ||
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