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Please DISCUSS the changes and the impact they will have on gameplay.

Straight up whining and bitching will get you a ban, no exceptions.
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
February 10 2012 19:13 GMT
#901
FEAR NOT TERRAN PLAYERS!!

Mass hunter seeker missiles will be the new snipe
^_^
moo...for DRG
Edahspmal
Profile Joined October 2010
United States156 Posts
February 10 2012 19:13 GMT
#902
I think that listening to the community is a good and bad thing. It's definitely good that they are making changes and listening to feedback, but to be honest we complain and bitch way too stubbornly and too often. It's dangerous if they make changes based on how much people are complaining because that only positively reinforces the idea that if you only cry enough, they will change the game instead of you having to overcome an obstacle.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 10 2012 19:13 GMT
#903
On February 11 2012 04:06 Recognizable wrote:
I don't really understand why not every foreing pro terran is switching races. There is no point, before no foreign terran won almost nothing because the race is harder to play, but right now it's probably impossible.


Because they are professionals and know that terran is a powerful race and they want to master it. They also don't thrown in the towel when the metagame shifts a bit. The rise of the next breed of terrans is going to be terrifying. We are going to see builds far more refined that anything we have seen before.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Angel_
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1617 Posts
February 10 2012 19:14 GMT
#904
On February 11 2012 04:09 Qaatar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 04:05 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:
On February 11 2012 04:04 Ventor wrote:
Is it just me or does it seem like terrans won't be happy unless they are dominating both the other races?

Agreed. Terrans are too used to abusing the game, so when they get nerfed and start losing at 50% ratio, they're heads explode.


How about they address the T early game, and not nerf the already weak T late game? These arguments aren't stemming from the fact that T will suddenly lose more - I'd argue that they won't. They will just cheese more, and the win ratios will stay the same.

Seriously, half of the posts in this thread are worrying about the quality of TvZ games, yet you still post like this? I'm sure most Terrans will be absolutely fine with nerfs in the early game, as long as the late game can be sustained on even footing with Zergs.

Unfortunately, it seems like Blizzard is content with forcing Terrans to be the cheesing race until HoTS at the earliest.


The problem is, I dont think blizzard looks at win rates based on TIME, only the raw number of win %s. Conveniently, so does most of the community that whines about terran being OP.
Trealador
Profile Joined August 2011
United States207 Posts
February 10 2012 19:14 GMT
#905
Well. The match up I had the hardest time with was TvZ, so I'm glad they changed that. The biggest most blatant issue with the game was Protoss late game, yet not a mention of it in the slightest. The reason ghosts had to be so good, is because broodlord infestor is honestly quite a broken combination of units. You may all cheer for a terran nerf and a protoss buff, but people who are actually looking at the game as it is now are noticing that protoss are actually really strong. It is a little depressing to say the least that when looking at the stats Terran win rate goes down dramatically in a game that is 20+ minutes, and to say the least the fact that ghost snipe has been nerfed is clearly a step in the wrong direction.

This just further proves that the term "blizzard balance" is a very very real thing. For those who don't know from the WoW days, the way they would balance the game is have 2-3 classes be incredibly overpowered for 2-3 months at a time, thus creating a time for each class or spec to completely tear up everyone else until they get nerfed again and something else takes their place. If you are watching GSL and can honestly tell me that the Terran who are winning in Code S are not the absolute best at their race and deserve to be there, then there probably is no hope for SCII as a game. (Jjakji AND Ganzi were knocked out by two Protoss, you tell me what sounds balanced.)
Like a man.
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
February 10 2012 19:14 GMT
#906
On February 11 2012 04:13 Edahspmal wrote:
I think that listening to the community is a good and bad thing. It's definitely good that they are making changes and listening to feedback, but to be honest we complain and bitch way too stubbornly and too often. It's dangerous if they make changes based on how much people are complaining because that only positively reinforces the idea that if you only cry enough, they will change the game instead of you having to overcome an obstacle.


just look at wow if you want to see what listening to a community does.
Zest fanboy.
AcrossFiveJulys
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States3612 Posts
February 10 2012 19:14 GMT
#907
The snipe change is so bad... I can't believe people are rejoicing. This makes TvZ so much harder late game, right at a point when terrans had figured out how to win late game TvZ 50% of the time instead of 20% of the time. Now it's going to be a race against the clock, just like TvP. I do think mass ghost snipe is stupid, so fine, nerf it, but buff something else terran has instead, or nerf broodlord/corrupter/infestor in some way.

All the happy zergs out there, are you really looking forward to facing way more 2 base timing attacks from terran players? What about watching way more 2 base timing attacks TvZ in the GSL? :/

And blizzard completely ignores late game TvP? WTF? So glad I uninstalled the game a week ago.
Jochan
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Poland1730 Posts
February 10 2012 19:14 GMT
#908
Wow I'm impressed I like all the changes, although I feel snipe change is a bit too big, but I trust that Blizzard is much smarter then me and crunched the numbers
"(...)all in the game, yo. All in the game"
Bashion
Profile Joined February 2011
Cook Islands2612 Posts
February 10 2012 19:14 GMT
#909
On February 11 2012 04:08 CyDe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 04:04 Ventor wrote:
Is it just me or does it seem like terrans won't be happy unless they are dominating both the other races?


Is it just me or does it seem like zerg and protoss won't be happy unless... well ever actually.

A zerg or protoss whining has more credibility than a terran whining, for some reason.


Probably because Terran has way more GSL victories than the other two races?
I've got moves like Jagger
Garmer
Profile Joined October 2010
1286 Posts
February 10 2012 19:14 GMT
#910
now add a spell that change BL to Psyonic
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8046 Posts
February 10 2012 19:15 GMT
#911
On February 11 2012 04:11 Kashll wrote:
No way real APM is coming back?

I never though I'd live to see the day. Thank god.


Well. still not completely real apm. It will still be based on the wrong ingame speed, and thus show slightly less apm than what you really have.
adwodon
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom592 Posts
February 10 2012 19:15 GMT
#912
Gold bases is needed.

Snipe change is perhaps a bit much, it needs a change though.

I cant say much for other races as I play Terran but for gods sake if they want to nerf us could they please address the Raven? The Battlecruiser (at least remove the energy bar so feedback doesn't kill everything)?

If they are willing to put in upgrades to fix a problem wheres the hive tech speed boost for Hydras?!

Its a good patch, but theres still some huge problems.
Terrans higher tech units (bar ghost) are garbage, ghost made up for that, with the nerf I would've hoped to able to use those 2 other units we have that are supposed to fill late game roles.
Roxy
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada753 Posts
February 10 2012 19:15 GMT
#913
On February 11 2012 04:09 Qaatar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 04:05 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:
On February 11 2012 04:04 Ventor wrote:
Is it just me or does it seem like terrans won't be happy unless they are dominating both the other races?

Agreed. Terrans are too used to abusing the game, so when they get nerfed and start losing at 50% ratio, they're heads explode.


How about they address the T early game, and not nerf the already weak T late game? These arguments aren't stemming from the fact that T will suddenly lose more - I'd argue that they won't. They will just cheese more, and the win ratios will stay the same.

Seriously, half of the posts in this thread are worrying about the quality of TvZ games, yet you still post like this? I'm sure most Terrans will be absolutely fine with nerfs in the early game, as long as the late game can be sustained on even footing with Zergs.

Unfortunately, it seems like Blizzard is content with forcing Terrans to be the cheesing race until HoTS at the earliest.


I would happily accept a T buff lategame if there was a T nerf early game

delicate though. immortal and voidray all-ins are pretty strong against terran. what nerf/buff would you suggest? I would personaly like to see a little love for the raven.
http://sc2ranks.com/us/941824/Roxy - Masters Protoss: "Respect my authoritai"
blinkingangels
Profile Joined June 2011
105 Posts
February 10 2012 19:15 GMT
#914
On February 11 2012 04:10 Lorch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 04:04 sAsImre wrote:
On February 11 2012 04:03 fishinguy wrote:
The cycle of whining and nerfs continue, terran will adapt noobs will whine more.

Story of SC2 so far


infestor buff then nerf ? not like blizz is smart ...


Nony once talked about this on sotg, blizzard actually does this very smartly by buffing a unit (maybe even too much) to make sure people use it a lot (which kinda happened with the infestor which was heavily underused before the buff) and then they can still nerf it to make it perfectly balanced.

You guys are all just mad that the game is starting to be actually balanced and terran is no longer by far the strongest race. You suck at tvp now because you were so used to emp stim-a-move roflstomp protoss before the emp nerf and now you can't just build ghost to kill everything tvz lategame. As terran becomes less OP it also becomes more skillful to play, and especially in lower leagues (aka what 90% of the people on tl are in) skill is something everyone lacks so a lot of people are having a hard time as their race is not as easy as it used to be. Also I can't believe that you guys don't have the skills to play terran right is even a valid argument, unless you love winning (in which case you should play another game tbh) you probably play starcraft because you love the challenge it gives you to push yourself and improve, if your skills aren't enough (in your eyes) to play terran right then get of these forums, start practicing, and actually get better.

Except protoss was the a move race, not terran. Toss still has the scariest deathball in the game, and it has always taken terran far more skill and caution to engage into it, especially in lower leagues. Improving your skill to play a race is a good thing, but when it takes MORE skill to win against people in your level, there's a problem...
Tulkas25
Profile Joined August 2011
Greece292 Posts
February 10 2012 19:16 GMT
#915
Zergs 6 months ago or so when they were abusing lategame tvz were bubbling "Terrans you need to use ghosts late game TvZ"..Terrans use ghosts to a good effect and actually late game tvz kinda exists..BAM nerf ghost..back to finishing the game in the first 10 mins
What happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object?
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8046 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-10 19:16:17
February 10 2012 19:16 GMT
#916
On February 11 2012 04:15 Roxy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 04:09 Qaatar wrote:
On February 11 2012 04:05 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:
On February 11 2012 04:04 Ventor wrote:
Is it just me or does it seem like terrans won't be happy unless they are dominating both the other races?

Agreed. Terrans are too used to abusing the game, so when they get nerfed and start losing at 50% ratio, they're heads explode.


How about they address the T early game, and not nerf the already weak T late game? These arguments aren't stemming from the fact that T will suddenly lose more - I'd argue that they won't. They will just cheese more, and the win ratios will stay the same.

Seriously, half of the posts in this thread are worrying about the quality of TvZ games, yet you still post like this? I'm sure most Terrans will be absolutely fine with nerfs in the early game, as long as the late game can be sustained on even footing with Zergs.

Unfortunately, it seems like Blizzard is content with forcing Terrans to be the cheesing race until HoTS at the earliest.


I would happily accept a T buff lategame if there was a T nerf early game

delicate though. immortal and voidray all-ins are pretty strong against terran. what nerf/buff would you suggest? I would personaly like to see a little love for the raven.


A 5 second decrease in bunker build time should do it..
andiCR
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica2273 Posts
February 10 2012 19:16 GMT
#917
On February 11 2012 04:11 Kashll wrote:
No way real APM is coming back?

I never though I'd live to see the day. Thank god.

THIS x 10000000
Nightmare1795 wrote: I played a guy in bronze who said he was Japanese. That was the only game I ever dropped a nuke, which was purely coincidental.
Darksoldierr
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary2012 Posts
February 10 2012 19:16 GMT
#918
On February 11 2012 04:14 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 04:13 Edahspmal wrote:
I think that listening to the community is a good and bad thing. It's definitely good that they are making changes and listening to feedback, but to be honest we complain and bitch way too stubbornly and too often. It's dangerous if they make changes based on how much people are complaining because that only positively reinforces the idea that if you only cry enough, they will change the game instead of you having to overcome an obstacle.


just look at wow if you want to see what listening to a community does.


Actually at MMO listening to the majority is better overall, as for here, i highly agree with you
What do humans know of our pain? We have sung songs of lament since before your ancestors crawled on their bellies from the sea.
dave333
Profile Joined August 2010
United States915 Posts
February 10 2012 19:16 GMT
#919
On February 11 2012 04:09 clusen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 04:05 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:
On February 11 2012 04:04 Ventor wrote:
Is it just me or does it seem like terrans won't be happy unless they are dominating both the other races?

Agreed. Terrans are too used to abusing the game, so when they get nerfed and start losing at 50% ratio, their heads explode.

The thing is(and I don't even play T, I play Z but have played my fair share of games with random) T is harder to play at mid masters level compared to Z and especially P. So while T might be the best race at the highest level(and I don't think that even that is the case anymore) most players don't have the skill to take advantage of that fact.

Of course you are pissed if you are in that situaiton :p



And it should be perfectly fine. Difficulties arising at different skill levels is perfectly normal at any competitive game with options. For example, choosing a 2 hand backhand or a 1 hand backhand in tennis. The 1 hander is harder to to learn when you are first starting, and you will probably struggle with it in comparison to doing a two hander. But once people start playing at higher levels, the 2 hander will have a harder time learning how to slice. At the upper levels, they are pretty damn even (unless you're talking Rafa vs Federer, in which case that 1 hander is a disadvantage).

What really matters is that the top levels are balanced, and that the lower levels aren't grossly imbalanced. I wouldn't say nerfing the complete zerg t3 counter leads to a gross imbalance. Far from it really.
werynais
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1780 Posts
February 10 2012 19:16 GMT
#920
On February 11 2012 04:07 Yaki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2012 03:59 werynais wrote:
Make Ghost 200/100 -> Nerf EMP -> Nerf Snipe -> Remove Ghost? -> Remove Terran?

Sorry but ghost 150/150 to 200/100 was a buff.


Yes, thats what i said Oo
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