EPTDoes the mouse scroll speed influence your micro? - Page 5
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FluffyBinLaden
United States527 Posts
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
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Lousy!
Canada73 Posts
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Vei
United States2845 Posts
On February 03 2012 23:46 saer wrote: In general, the best players never scroll their screen. They use location hotkeys, building hotkeys, unit hotkeys, or click on the minimap in order to move around quickly and efficiently. Personally, as a mid master protoss, my mouse scroll speed is quite low (20%), if you're in a battle and you need to nudge the screen a bit, it'd be pretty counter productive if you accidentally scrolled far away from the battle without meaning to. Pretty much, i don't think it's important what it is as long as you're used to it and don't have problems with it. Just keep in mind that clicking the minimap is almost always more efficient and will allow you to do more things faster (increasing your apm) what lol mouse scroll is used by everyone, you're not going to click the minimap when you need to move your vision from your main to your natural, it's faster just to bang your mouse against the border of your screen real quick (with a high sensitivity) once or twice and instantly be there... | ||
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MjoLniRXx
United States84 Posts
EDIT: To the guy who posted above me: yes, everyone scrolls but the best players don't do it much. I never, ever, ever scroll to my natural. Why would I want to scroll when I could press one button that does it instantly? | ||
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Kharnage
Australia920 Posts
That way if i need to adjust the screen position my mouse cursor is still in the middle of the screen so i can micro immediately  | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
On February 03 2012 23:46 saer wrote: In general, the best players never scroll their screen. They use location hotkeys, building hotkeys, unit hotkeys, or click on the minimap in order to move around quickly and efficiently. Personally, as a mid master protoss, my mouse scroll speed is quite low (20%), if you're in a battle and you need to nudge the screen a bit, it'd be pretty counter productive if you accidentally scrolled far away from the battle without meaning to. Pretty much, i don't think it's important what it is as long as you're used to it and don't have problems with it. Just keep in mind that clicking the minimap is almost always more efficient and will allow you to do more things faster (increasing your apm) Lol, that's a complete lie. Watch any pro player's stream. They mouse scroll all the time...what the hell are you talking about? Sure, you shouldn't use mouse scroll to look from one base to another or anything like that, but when you're controlling your army, scouting, or anything, you mouse scroll... It's a LOT more efficient to mouse scroll your scouting worker from the nat into the main than to click on the minimap -_-. Your mouse scroll speed should absolutely be 100%. | ||
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Sinensis
United States2513 Posts
On February 09 2012 11:47 Kharnage wrote: I disabled Mouse Scroll and only use middle mouse to move the screen or the mini-map. That way if i need to adjust the screen position my mouse cursor is still in the middle of the screen so i can micro immediately This seems so inefficient to me now, but then again I used to use keypad only to scroll because I wanted to be like Boxer. | ||
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jinixxx123
543 Posts
He uses 70% mouse sensitivity and 100% scroll speed and is a 3 time gsl champion. With that said use what you are most comfortable with. I personally think zerg and terran users need higher scroll speed ( for spreading creep fast as zerg and queing up drops along the map with terran). | ||
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Madera
Sweden2672 Posts
On February 09 2012 11:39 MjoLniRXx wrote: Scroll speed is supposed to be low me thoughts? I use around 20 to 30 with 1600 DPI. I use camera hotkeys and hotkey all major tech and click the mini map as much as possible. I only scroll when absolutely necessary. When you micro, you shouldn't be moving your screen... you should have it stationary and move within that screen as much as possible. Even with 100 percent scroll speed you are still slower than someone who uses camera hotkeys to navigate bases/tech. If you wanna see what I mean watch HerO play. He navigates the game so beautifully with a really low level of screen scroll (the proper way to navigate btw) and his ingame sensitivity is low and his mouse dpi is low I'm pretty sure... scrolling is bad mechanics. I don't see how in any situation a lower scroll speed would be more superior than a high one. As I stated earlier, I do think getting used to as high scroll speed as possible is for the better. Sure, using F2-4 as camera hotkeys to navigate to your bases/tech/whatever instead of scrolling around the map is better but when you need to move your camera short distances out on the map or something like spreading creep or microing your scout there is nothing wrong with scrolling. Good players scroll all the time, just load up a stream and watch. Scrolling is definitely not bad mechanics, however scrolling more than necessary is bad, you need to find the sweet spot where you're comfortable utilizing both scrolling and the use of camer hotkeys/clicking on the minimap. | ||
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oZe
Sweden492 Posts
Have 1920*2+1280 wide display and can scroll all over without moving the base of my hand. Also since I read and followed guide below I never have to lift mouse and reset it's position. If I move my hand back to .0 mousepointer is back where it started. Something I _always_ had an issue with before. If you care at all about mouse accuracy you _need_ to read this and take action: http://donewmouseaccel.blogspot.com/2010/03/markc-windows-7-mouse-acceleration-fix.html | ||
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IPS.Blue
Germany309 Posts
On February 09 2012 11:39 MjoLniRXx wrote: ... To the guy who posted above me: yes, everyone scrolls but the best players don't do it much. I never, ever, ever scroll to my natural. Why would I want to scroll when I could press one button that does it instantly? You would have to be very close to your natural, for scrolling to be faster then pressing a location hotkey. Unfortunately many players don't use the location hotkeys (Grubby for example uses them only to spam at the beginning of a game ;P), because they are quite hard to getting used to, when you're used to other methods. On February 09 2012 12:32 oZe wrote: I play with ... 5000 cpi ... Again, wrong topic. | ||
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XiGua
Sweden3085 Posts
I only mouse scroll when it's during a battle and then accuaracy is more important than speed. | ||
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skipdog172
United States331 Posts
Here is what I see the top players do: BOTH! They mouse scroll a lot to move around to nearby things and they use hotkeys as well as clicking on the minimap. It seems like nearly all clearly do scroll quite frequently and they all use a combination of scrolling/clicking minimap/hotkeys to move their camera position. Honestly I was kind of disheartened when I watched Day9's VOD on macro and the total negative attitude towards mouse scrolling was misguided. All the top pros ARE mouse scrolling quite frequently. Everything else in that VOD was just so good... but the whole "MOUSE SCROLLING IS HORRIBLEEEE" was just completely wrong. Yeah, you use hotkeys as often as possible(duh), but you don't have hotkeys for every camera location. Personally, I've found that I'm at about 80% scroll speed. I've raised it a bit more and more over time. I am going to gradually increase it more as it just kind of takes some getting used to. I'm too big of a wuss and found it too big of a shock to just jump to 100% right off the bat. Kinda sad some people can't spend 10 seconds to read OP and are confusing ppl talking about mouse sensitivity. Go find the thread for THAT topic please. | ||
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shishy
United States115 Posts
On February 10 2012 05:14 skipdog172 wrote: This whole concept of 'none of the top players scroll' or 'top players rarely scroll' is total BS . I've watched so many streams... Here is what I see the top players do: BOTH! They mouse scroll a lot to move around to nearby things and they use hotkeys as well as clicking on the minimap. It seems like nearly all clearly do scroll quite frequently and they all use a combination of scrolling/clicking minimap/hotkeys to move their camera position. Honestly I was kind of disheartened when I watched Day9's VOD on macro and the total negative attitude towards mouse scrolling was misguided. All the top pros ARE mouse scrolling quite frequently. Everything else in that VOD was just so good... but the whole "MOUSE SCROLLING IS HORRIBLEEEE" was just completely wrong. Yeah, you use hotkeys as often as possible(duh), but you don't have hotkeys for every camera location. Personally, I've found that I'm at about 80% scroll speed. I've raised it a bit more and more over time. I am going to gradually increase it more as it just kind of takes some getting used to. I'm too big of a wuss and found it too big of a shock to just jump to 100% right off the bat. If you've ever watched koreans stream (like ForGG), you'll notice he has extremely low scroll speed and instead just uses hotkeys for everything (or minimap). It's a BW habit I guess, but he's insanely good about rarely scrolling (I was watching him for a few hours yesterday and he was consistently minimizing his scrolling, only for battles or when he knew rallied units were close). I think ideally, you shouldn't have to scroll around a lot because using hotkeys is way faster and will make you better, but a lot of pro-gamers don't do it because it's hard to get used to and to do it consistently. | ||
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skipdog172
United States331 Posts
On February 10 2012 08:16 shishy wrote: If you've ever watched koreans stream (like ForGG), you'll notice he has extremely low scroll speed and instead just uses hotkeys for everything (or minimap). It's a BW habit I guess, but he's insanely good about rarely scrolling (I was watching him for a few hours yesterday and he was consistently minimizing his scrolling, only for battles or when he knew rallied units were close). I think ideally, you shouldn't have to scroll around a lot because using hotkeys is way faster and will make you better, but a lot of pro-gamers don't do it because it's hard to get used to and to do it consistently. Sure, yeah, you can find exceptions. They are just that. Exceptions. Apparently I wasn't clear. YEAH use hotkeys all you possibly can. The top players do. They ALSO mouse scroll a TON. ALL THE TIME. Not occasionally. Constantly as a part of their regular cursor movement. So of course you use hotkeys and camera hotkeys when possible, but this constant repeating of 'top players don't mouse scroll' is utter BS. Of course they minimize it. We should all minimize it and use hotkeys/camera saves as much as possible. Just trying to point out the people trying to claim pros don't do it or do it RARELY are pretty much dead wrong. | ||
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UmiNotsuki
United States633 Posts
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