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On February 03 2012 23:46 saer wrote:
In general, the best players never scroll their screen. They use location hotkeys, building hotkeys, unit hotkeys, or click on the minimap in order to move around quickly and efficiently. Personally, as a mid master protoss, my mouse scroll speed is quite low (20%), if you're in a battle and you need to nudge the screen a bit, it'd be pretty counter productive if you accidentally scrolled far away from the battle without meaning to.
Pretty much, i don't think it's important what it is as long as you're used to it and don't have problems with it. Just keep in mind that clicking the minimap is almost always more efficient and will allow you to do more things faster (increasing your apm)
We are talking about during battles here during which everyone scrolls their screen. I have been set to 20 forever and i feel that though it is not the optimal way to play, at this point I am used to it enough that there is no reason to learn new settings.
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At least you guys have a scroll button on your mouse :p
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On February 04 2012 00:54 FeyFey wrote:
20% person as well, camera posis n minimap. scrolling is venom for micro.
I understand using camera hotkeys or the minimap in most cases to switch screen positioning but how does slower scrolling speed help you with micro...?
You move the screen to where you want ASAP and then you micro, then you move the screen again ASAP and micro.
If scrolling would be slower, doesn't that harm your ability to micro quickly?
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Most pros use 100%, this is because for the most part hotkeys are used to center the screen and you don't want to waste time scrolling around.
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I see no reason to not use 100% as long as you can get used to it.
I feel a massive difference in micro with lower speeds, it might just be that I'm used to high speed scrolling but when I accidentally leave it on 20% it feels like my micro is in slow motion and I can't do anything fast enough.
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On February 04 2012 00:28 Reason.SC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 00:25 MeLttlPowny wrote:
Get the DPI as low as possible without getting annoyed by its slowness, best for more accuracy and micro lol what? That is the opposite of true. High dpi low sensitivity is proven to be far superior to low dpi medium-high sensitivity. The lower the dpi, the more likely it is that your mouse will skip pixels, expecially when moving quickly. Higher DPI makes your mouse move very quickly and hard to control, but via lowering in-game sensitivity you can have the same effective mouse speed but with higher dpi (better accuracy and fewer skipped pixels) Think of it as this way, DPI is not what necessarily controls the *speed* of your mouse. That is what in-game mouse sensitivity slider is for. DPI stands for dots per inch. The more dots per inch, the more accurately your mouse will translate its real movement through your cursor. Of course, having very high dots per inch will make it move faster, but you can very easily adjust the speed via in-game and windows speed settings. This does not affect the dots per inch sensed by the laser of the mouse. I feel like a lot of people are confused since they use their mouse DPI as a measure for speed, which is the wrong approach. The idea is to find a mouse speed you are comfortable with, then get your DPI as high as possible while adjusting in-game sensitivity to maintain the speed you are accustomed to. Voila! you now have a comfortable speed with improved precision.
I use 400 dpi with 6/11 in windows (toggled off in game), where did you learn that higher dpi with lower windows sense increases accuracy?
I never notice any skipped pixels so I'm curious.
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I use 400 dpi with 6/11 in windows (toggled off in game), where did you learn that higher dpi with lower windows sense increases accuracy?
I never notice any skipped pixels so I'm curious.
Just ignore him. He doesnt know what he is talking about xD
The only thing he is right about is what it stands for. 400 dpi means that your mouse moves 400 pixels on your screen when you move it an inch on your mousepad. Its pretty shocking to me that someone that knows what dpi is short for doesnt manage to put two and two together and understand this 
Im just gonna quote an article I remember reading not that long ago:
"The industry has been highly successful in establishing this number as something highly important, when in reality it doesn't really mean all that much. Technology has progressed to a level where you can move your mouse, say, one inch on your desk, and your cursor will move 2 or 3 times your screen length. That sounds impressive for sure, but where is the real value in that? That doesn't make you more precise or accurate; I would argue that it does exactly the opposite. A higher DPI in a mouse doesn't offer a lot of value, and it is not a benchmark for how precise or awesome the mouse is. It's simply a measure of sensitivity." Kim Rom, the CMO of SteelSeries
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On February 03 2012 23:46 saer wrote:
In general, the best players never scroll their screen.
Yes they do lol. Theoretically it would be faster if you have everything you need hotkeyed and never scroll, obviously, but go watch some top player streams they scroll loads.
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Im pretty sure my scroll speed is around 25 or so. Cant remember exactly. I never scroll my screen anyway. Having it fast to me makes it seem more like jumping than scrolling. Since if i do scroll it is for small exact movements i see no reason for me to place it any higher.
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Personally I use 100% because of you are scrolling you are only moving a tiny distance as most locations should be bound.
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I use 100%. No point wasting time holding your mouse to the edge of the screen
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On February 04 2012 00:54 FeyFey wrote:
20% person as well, camera posis n minimap. scrolling is venom for micro.
Maybe not the most elaborate way to say it but this is what's true. Scroll speed *in a perfect world* should not matter when it comes to micro. The best way to micro your units is to have your screen as stationary as possible while you micro within that screen. Now obviously a real game situation is going to call for you to scroll around a bit but the more you do it the 'less efficient' your micro is going to be.
If you don't believe me just watch the pros play, FPvods, replays, streams, both SC2 and Broodwar, they don't move their screen that much when the micro gets hot.
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Well the answer is of course a big difference. It's like playing call of duty on 3 compared to 10. Yeah sure in the beginning 3 is gonna feel better. But it is limiting how fast you can turn by a ton. So once you are comfortable playing 10. It's going to be way better because your the least possible limited by turn speed. Same goes here. Having 100% compared to 20% means your scrolling 5 times as fast. That's never going to be worse ONCE YOU GET USED TO IT. It'll only be better. I use somewhere around 80% and when I went to a different comp and was on 20. Yes I can see why people think your crazy for being on 20 lol. It takes like forever to scroll just from your main to your natural let alone any farther place of significance.
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On February 04 2012 00:28 Reason.SC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 00:25 MeLttlPowny wrote:
Get the DPI as low as possible without getting annoyed by its slowness, best for more accuracy and micro lol what? That is the opposite of true. High dpi low sensitivity is proven to be far superior to low dpi medium-high sensitivity. The lower the dpi, the more likely it is that your mouse will skip pixels, expecially when moving quickly. Higher DPI makes your mouse move very quickly and hard to control, but via lowering in-game sensitivity you can have the same effective mouse speed but with higher dpi (better accuracy and fewer skipped pixels) Think of it as this way, DPI is not what necessarily controls the *speed* of your mouse. That is what in-game mouse sensitivity slider is for. DPI stands for dots per inch. The more dots per inch, the more accurately your mouse will translate its real movement through your cursor. Of course, having very high dots per inch will make it move faster, but you can very easily adjust the speed via in-game and windows speed settings. This does not affect the dots per inch sensed by the laser of the mouse. I feel like a lot of people are confused since they use their mouse DPI as a measure for speed, which is the wrong approach. The idea is to find a mouse speed you are comfortable with, then get your DPI as high as possible while adjusting in-game sensitivity to maintain the speed you are accustomed to. Voila! you now have a comfortable speed with improved precision.
so much wrong in one post
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I almost never use the mouse scroll for anything. When I need to scroll the screen short distances I use the drag scroll to keep my cursor centered.
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On February 04 2012 03:20 zomgE wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 00:28 Reason.SC2 wrote:On February 04 2012 00:25 MeLttlPowny wrote:
Get the DPI as low as possible without getting annoyed by its slowness, best for more accuracy and micro lol what? That is the opposite of true. High dpi low sensitivity is proven to be far superior to low dpi medium-high sensitivity. The lower the dpi, the more likely it is that your mouse will skip pixels, expecially when moving quickly. Higher DPI makes your mouse move very quickly and hard to control, but via lowering in-game sensitivity you can have the same effective mouse speed but with higher dpi (better accuracy and fewer skipped pixels) Think of it as this way, DPI is not what necessarily controls the *speed* of your mouse. That is what in-game mouse sensitivity slider is for. DPI stands for dots per inch. The more dots per inch, the more accurately your mouse will translate its real movement through your cursor. Of course, having very high dots per inch will make it move faster, but you can very easily adjust the speed via in-game and windows speed settings. This does not affect the dots per inch sensed by the laser of the mouse. I feel like a lot of people are confused since they use their mouse DPI as a measure for speed, which is the wrong approach. The idea is to find a mouse speed you are comfortable with, then get your DPI as high as possible while adjusting in-game sensitivity to maintain the speed you are accustomed to. Voila! you now have a comfortable speed with improved precision. so much wrong in one post
Instead of saying a 1 line post in reponse to someone else's thought out post that they attempted to give insight on and made some effort. How about making some effort yourself to contribute and say WHY he's wrong and for what reason instead of "wow so much wrong". Let's say his is wrong. Your still the one looking bad because he had a nice long post that seemed like he actually gave a fuck. And yours was a one-liner. So please. Elaborate for me and tell me why he is wrong. Because I was under the impression that everything he said is totally true and have heard the same thing from others.
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I use unit, location and building hotkeys mostly to move around. The spacebar is my best friend--I've conditioned myself to hit it whenever I hear something, haha. The minimap is a good friend too though.
Honestly, if you have time to be panning across the screen, you're doing it wrong. Having time to pan across is a luxury, and a waste of time. Think of all the seconds that you spent panning in a game. Convert that to minutes, and multiply by your APM. That's a lot of things you didn't do in a game that you could have.
I'll admit that an entire engagements may not be on the same screen, especially in the case of massive flanks and reinforcements though.
I have my mouse set to some dpi where I can comfortable move my cursor from the top to bottom of my screen with my thumb.
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On February 03 2012 23:46 saer wrote:
In general, the best players never scroll their screen. They use location hotkeys, building hotkeys, unit hotkeys, or click on the minimap in order to move around quickly and efficiently. Personally, as a mid master protoss, my mouse scroll speed is quite low (20%), if you're in a battle and you need to nudge the screen a bit, it'd be pretty counter productive if you accidentally scrolled far away from the battle without meaning to.
Pretty much, i don't think it's important what it is as long as you're used to it and don't have problems with it. Just keep in mind that clicking the minimap is almost always more efficient and will allow you to do more things faster (increasing your apm)
I'm not really too sure about SC2, as the screen encompasses more units, and they clump up, but when setting up a big siege line or engaging a ball in a big territory, you will need to scroll. And you will need to be accustomed to your scroll sensitivity. But scrolling from your opponents nat to your main, or some big distance like that, is probably handled via minimap by nearly all good players.
On the topic of scrolling, Boxer is probably the most established player to frequently use the arrow keys for moving the screen.
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On February 04 2012 03:27 Berailfor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 03:20 zomgE wrote:On February 04 2012 00:28 Reason.SC2 wrote:On February 04 2012 00:25 MeLttlPowny wrote:
Get the DPI as low as possible without getting annoyed by its slowness, best for more accuracy and micro lol what? That is the opposite of true. High dpi low sensitivity is proven to be far superior to low dpi medium-high sensitivity. The lower the dpi, the more likely it is that your mouse will skip pixels, expecially when moving quickly. Higher DPI makes your mouse move very quickly and hard to control, but via lowering in-game sensitivity you can have the same effective mouse speed but with higher dpi (better accuracy and fewer skipped pixels) Think of it as this way, DPI is not what necessarily controls the *speed* of your mouse. That is what in-game mouse sensitivity slider is for. DPI stands for dots per inch. The more dots per inch, the more accurately your mouse will translate its real movement through your cursor. Of course, having very high dots per inch will make it move faster, but you can very easily adjust the speed via in-game and windows speed settings. This does not affect the dots per inch sensed by the laser of the mouse. I feel like a lot of people are confused since they use their mouse DPI as a measure for speed, which is the wrong approach. The idea is to find a mouse speed you are comfortable with, then get your DPI as high as possible while adjusting in-game sensitivity to maintain the speed you are accustomed to. Voila! you now have a comfortable speed with improved precision. so much wrong in one post Instead of saying a 1 line post in reponse to someone else's thought out post that they attempted to give insight on and made some effort. How about making some effort yourself to contribute and say WHY he's wrong and for what reason instead of "wow so much wrong". Let's say his is wrong. Your still the one looking bad because he had a nice long post that seemed like he actually gave a fuck. And yours was a one-liner. So please. Elaborate for me and tell me why he is wrong. Because I was under the impression that everything he said is totally true and have heard the same thing from others.
its alrdy explained few posts above so i only had to agree
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I use 80% and I think it is good enough, at first it was hard, but once you learn to just touch the edge of the screen a bit. It is really awesome. But if you have a very small monitor I dont advice it as youre prolly just gonna scroll away from the area of interest. =)
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