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Nemireck
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1875 Posts
February 04 2012 19:08 GMT
#61
I love all this talk about DPI and mouse sensitivity in a thread about SCROLL SPEED.

I have mine around 50%, not so slow that I feel like I'm dragging the camera through sludge, but not so fast that I skip where I'm trying to get to in the heat of battle.
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25342 Posts
February 04 2012 19:17 GMT
#62
61%, suits me well for little twitches to just outside my screen, which I think is actually an important thing to do. Anything further back and I'll use my minimap or camera hotkeys/unit hotkeys.

I don't see why scrolling seems to be one of those 'don't do' things, for small incremental movements, i.e placing a pylon at the perimeter of your base, it is faster than any other method.

I also like to split my army quite far back, with a second wave of templars quite far back, and have got it that I can do this pretty comfortably.

I actually love UI/hotkey discussions, it's amazing just how much variation there is and although there are generally accepted norms, there is no consensus on 'the best' setup
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Uncultured
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1340 Posts
February 04 2012 19:21 GMT
#63
Is the OP talking about scroll speed or movement speed?
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Uncultured
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1340 Posts
February 04 2012 19:29 GMT
#64
On February 05 2012 03:58 Limniscate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2012 00:28 Reason.SC2 wrote:
On February 04 2012 00:25 MeLttlPowny wrote:
Get the DPI as low as possible without getting annoyed by its slowness, best for more accuracy and micro



lol what? That is the opposite of true. High dpi low sensitivity is proven to be far superior to low dpi medium-high sensitivity.

The lower the dpi, the more likely it is that your mouse will skip pixels, expecially when moving quickly. Higher DPI makes your mouse move very quickly and hard to control, but via lowering in-game sensitivity you can have the same effective mouse speed but with higher dpi (better accuracy and fewer skipped pixels)



Think of it as this way, DPI is not what necessarily controls the *speed* of your mouse. That is what in-game mouse sensitivity slider is for.

DPI stands for dots per inch. The more dots per inch, the more accurately your mouse will translate its real movement through your cursor. Of course, having very high dots per inch will make it move faster, but you can very easily adjust the speed via in-game and windows speed settings. This does not affect the dots per inch sensed by the laser of the mouse.

I feel like a lot of people are confused since they use their mouse DPI as a measure for speed, which is the wrong approach. The idea is to find a mouse speed you are comfortable with, then get your DPI as high as possible while adjusting in-game sensitivity to maintain the speed you are accustomed to. Voila! you now have a comfortable speed with improved precision.


I believe this is completely wrong. Go to http://www.overclock.net/f/375/mice/ for great information on mice.



Please post a more specific source or kindly keep your beliefs to yourself. What he's stating pretty much agrees with everything I've read about DPI and mouse sensitivity.
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IPS.Blue
Profile Joined January 2004
Germany309 Posts
February 08 2012 21:27 GMT
#65
On February 05 2012 04:21 Uncultured wrote:
Is the OP talking about scroll speed or movement speed?

Scroll speed. Some people got confused.

I switched from 25 % to 50 %. I'm not quite sure if faster is always better than slower. In theory one would just save time when using a scrolling speed of 100 %. Unless of course you are not able to move your screen precisely enough with 100 % ... I'm going to give the 100 % a try, but the jump from 25 % up to 100 % was to big, I'm going for some middle steps ;P
Mr Showtime
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1353 Posts
February 08 2012 21:32 GMT
#66
The faster the better. You should minimize that time that you spend scrolling, so turn it up as high as you can handle.

According to Day9, you should never be scrolling anyway, but rather click the mini-map and use location hotkeys.
darkscream
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2310 Posts
February 08 2012 21:34 GMT
#67
I use a 3600dpi deathadder mouse. It tracks really fucking fast and accurate at 3600dpi, so I turn the sensitivity down in game. I used to run at like 90% when I had a regular cheapo optical mouse.
TigerKarl
Profile Joined November 2010
1757 Posts
February 08 2012 21:38 GMT
#68
I just found out that i only have 31% scroll speed. I think i'll increase that, but i never had the impression, that such a slow speed does affect my play in a negative way, because i'm very used to clicking on the mini map for quickly changing my view, which leads to a lot of minimap awareness.
Garmer
Profile Joined October 2010
1286 Posts
February 08 2012 21:47 GMT
#69
i always set it to 100% in any game
merz
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Sweden2760 Posts
February 08 2012 21:51 GMT
#70
Theory is that scrolling is not the most effective way to move around, thus, scrolling is only used to make small, very light adjustments when you're already kinda at the location you want to be (if this makes any sense). Which is why, at least for me personally, I prefer a pretty low scroll speed (~35% if I recall correctly) because I mainly use hotkeys, spacebar, and F2-F4 (saved locations) to move around and whenever I scroll I just do it to adjust the screen ever so slightly. If I had it on like 80% it would be hard to make these small adjustments and you'd scroll far more than you wanted too. Also if you have a very high scroll speed and you have to move your screen just slightly in an intense micro situation, things could get really ugly.
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Xiron
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1233 Posts
February 08 2012 21:52 GMT
#71
On February 09 2012 06:27 IPS.Blue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2012 04:21 Uncultured wrote:
Is the OP talking about scroll speed or movement speed?

Scroll speed. Some people got confused.

I switched from 25 % to 50 %. I'm not quite sure if faster is always better than slower. In theory one would just save time when using a scrolling speed of 100 %. Unless of course you are not able to move your screen precisely enough with 100 % ... I'm going to give the 100 % a try, but the jump from 25 % up to 100 % was to big, I'm going for some middle steps ;P


I started with 30% and worked my way up to 100 in 10%-steps.
Then I stopped playing for a pretty long time and now I can't even handle 50% anymore without screwing everything up.
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IPS.Blue
Profile Joined January 2004
Germany309 Posts
February 08 2012 21:53 GMT
#72
On February 09 2012 06:32 Mr Showtime wrote:
The faster the better. You should minimize that time that you spend scrolling, so turn it up as high as you can handle.

According to Day9, you should never be scrolling anyway, but rather click the mini-map and use location hotkeys.

There are just situations where your mouse cursor is closer to the edge of the screen, than it is to the minimap ... But yeah, clicking the mini-map and location hotkeys are generally the way to go.

On February 09 2012 06:34 darkscream wrote:
I use a 3600dpi deathadder mouse. It tracks really fucking fast and accurate at 3600dpi, so I turn the sensitivity down in game. I used to run at like 90% when I had a regular cheapo optical mouse.

Wrong topic.
CatNzHat
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1599 Posts
February 08 2012 21:54 GMT
#73
I play at 100% scroll speed, always done it that way, can't stand anything slower, as I'll be wasting time waiting for my screen to get into position instead of spreading my marines, sieging tanks, building production, etc...

If you can't control the screen at 100% then perhaps your mouse speed it too high, or your mouse accuracy is at fault.

I use camera saves for my bases and rally point, so I'm not using scrolling except when controlling a large army, building depots, and microing drops.
VTArlock
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1763 Posts
February 08 2012 21:56 GMT
#74
I use 89% Mouse scroll
Why?
Mr Showtime
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1353 Posts
February 08 2012 22:09 GMT
#75
On February 09 2012 06:53 IPS.Blue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 06:32 Mr Showtime wrote:
The faster the better. You should minimize that time that you spend scrolling, so turn it up as high as you can handle.

According to Day9, you should never be scrolling anyway, but rather click the mini-map and use location hotkeys.

There are just situations where your mouse cursor is closer to the edge of the screen, than it is to the minimap ... But yeah, clicking the mini-map and location hotkeys are generally the way to go.


Yea, for something just barely out of view obviously scrolling is faster. But scrolling from your main to your natural is worse than using the mini-map and a location hotkey. However, you could probably equalize time by turning the speed wayyy up.
Tomba
Profile Joined January 2012
Norway106 Posts
February 08 2012 22:20 GMT
#76
Mouse Scroll Speed at 100%.

Mouse sensitivity turned off in sc2, so you get desktop speed. Just uncheck "Enable mouse sensitivity".
jliu
Profile Joined March 2011
282 Posts
February 08 2012 22:30 GMT
#77
select uses really slow scroll speed i think.

not using scroll speed makes you more dependent on hotkeys and minimap which IMO is faster than the highest scroll speed.
CapnAmerica
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States508 Posts
February 08 2012 22:39 GMT
#78
I don't really use my mouse to scroll on the edges of my screen, I just use drag-scrolling for small adjustments so I don't have to whip my wrist all the way to the side to move the screen a tiny amount...

But for the sake of teh thread: Mouse Scroll Speed is at 29% and Drag Scroll Speed is at 76%.

I also have mouse wheel zoom disabled.
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Lunchador
Profile Joined April 2010
United States776 Posts
February 08 2012 23:02 GMT
#79
Mouse scroll speed... I'm assuming that's for when your mouse is at the edge of the screen to move the minimap. In which case, I use 25%. Too fast wrecks my eyes and I'll often overshoot where I wanna go.

Mouse sensitivity is at 99% like a boss.
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Tansu
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland63 Posts
February 08 2012 23:02 GMT
#80
My mouse scroll speed has been 20% but I will change it to like 80%-100% (I haven't even know about that setting before...).

I know that this thread is not for discussing about mouse sensitivity but nevertheless I ask this:

I have set my mouse DPI as high as possible, 1800, and it is not fast enough. I would like to have at least 2200-2500 DPI if it just was possible with my Logitech mouse. Many people have said that I shouldn't increase mouse speed from Windows settings but how could I then increase the speed? Do I really have to buy a new mouse just because I need a few hundred higher DPI, or is there some other way?
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