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Hello,
lately i i´m playing arround with some settings and found out that the mouse scroll speed is quite low in SC2. I used the search function and found a poll, where most player ~ 46 % are playing with an mouse scroll speed over 75!!! Some people said, there is no reason why not to do it.
Does mouse scroll speed incluence the game that much?
What kind of advantages can you get with a higher mouse scroll speed?
Do you know what settings pros or high master player play?
I just tried to play at 50 mouse scroll speed, but you really have to play some games in order to get used to it. I don´t know whether i should invest some time in getting used to or just stay with the standard.
I´m currently high Diamond terran player on EU and engaging and managing battles is a big problem for me.
Would i get into the correct way, when i´m using me to high mouse scroll speed?
Thank you for reading it.
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If my mouse is too fast it's impossible for me to split marines at all :/
It shouldn't effect your macro at all tho, or are you a clicker? Just play at whatever mouse speed you're comfortable with. There are no right or wrong answers for questions about personal preference.
Edit: I just noticed that we're speaking about scroll speed.. Either way just use whatever you're comfortable with. Everyone is different, whatever works for someone else might not work for you.
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You can just move faster with it higher, dunno why anyone would want to be slow.
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On February 03 2012 23:37 namste wrote:
If my mouse is too fast it's impossible for me to split marines at all :/
I think you are mixing up scrolling speed with sensitivity, they are 2 different things.
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If you get used to very fast mousespeed it will be to great effect when you micro.
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In general, the best players never scroll their screen. They use location hotkeys, building hotkeys, unit hotkeys, or click on the minimap in order to move around quickly and efficiently. Personally, as a mid master protoss, my mouse scroll speed is quite low (20%), if you're in a battle and you need to nudge the screen a bit, it'd be pretty counter productive if you accidentally scrolled far away from the battle without meaning to.
Pretty much, i don't think it's important what it is as long as you're used to it and don't have problems with it. Just keep in mind that clicking the minimap is almost always more efficient and will allow you to do more things faster (increasing your apm)
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Higher is better in almost any situation. 100% FTW
As to using snapshot and group shortcuts: while this is true and very helpful, you can't just snapshot save everything you need to, and having a v fast scroll speed is actually better in micro since speed is key there. It sucks not to be able to get that unit that's out of the screen to do what you need it to do in time just because ur scroll is slow. But I guess to each it's own...
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It doesn't have to be super accurate since you only need to get your units within screen range with it. However I prefer middle mouse button ( at 100%) for slight adjusting of the camera. It feels more accurate and faster for me. I also don't need to move my mouse over the screen to go back should i scroll too far.
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I swapped recently from 53% to 70% and its worth getting used to the faster speed imo.
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On February 03 2012 23:51 johax wrote:
It doesn't have to be super accurate since you only need to get your units within screen range with it. However I prefer middle mouse button ( at 100%) for slight adjusting of the camera. It feels more accurate and faster for me. I also don't need to move my mouse over the screen to go back should i scroll too far.
do you know if you can go over 100% ?
im using the same technique but i always feel it could be faster
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The poll:
+ Show Spoiler +Poll: What's your Mouse Scroll Speed?>75 (97) 48% 70-74 (21) 10% 20-24 (18) 9% 60-64 (14) 7% 50-54 (12) 6% 65-69 (10) 5% 40-44 (8) 4% 55-59 (7) 3% 45-49 (5) 2% 30-34 (4) 2% 35-39 (3) 1% 25-29 (2) 1% 201 total votes Your vote: What's your Mouse Scroll Speed? (Vote): 20-24
(Vote): 25-29
(Vote): 30-34
(Vote): 35-39
(Vote): 40-44
(Vote): 45-49
(Vote): 50-54
(Vote): 55-59
(Vote): 60-64
(Vote): 65-69
(Vote): 70-74
(Vote): >75
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you shouldnt make multiples of 5 (40, 45, 50 etc.) because it influences something i cant remember and is wrong, i myself as master player use 53%, it also depends what mouse u use
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I use 20% and people always call me crazy 
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it depends, some ppl are mass mini map clickers, and some are extremely fast scroll speed with less mini map clicks .
I make 2 examples. Take a look at when mouz.MANA plays on his stream, he is the player i would say relies alot on Scroll speed and has it very high to suit. I hardly ever see him using hotkeys to shuffle between his nexus's.
Then take a look at Stephano, whos scroll speed is around 30%, instead his dpi sensitivity is so high he's what i would call a mini map mouse clicker, Everything he does is threw the mini map and hes extremely fast with it, he never individually hotkeys his hatcherys, he puts them all one 1 control group and uses mini map to get to them, basically everything he does is threw the minimap.
Nestea's style uses 100% mouse scroll speed and uses mass hotkeys to get to his locations, he seems to be a hybrid of every technique.
so it really depends which style you want to get accustomed to and stick with it.
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On February 04 2012 00:16 Pokebunny wrote:I use 20% and people always call me crazy
Why do you use 20%? I know some people like longer mouse strides/movement but that seems crazy low.
As for me I am set on 80%
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I use a very high mouse scroll speed, along with high mouse DPI (3200) but low in-game mouse sensitivity.
imo this is optimal for accuracy, no skipped pixels. The high mouse scroll speed helps me to get from point A to point B quickly whenever B is not available via hotkey. The only downside to it is that if you are inaccurate with your mouse and accidentally scroll the screen while trying to micro, it can mess you up. As long as you can avoid this, a higher mouse scroll speed is always better.
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Get the DPI as low as possible without getting annoyed by its slowness, best for more accuracy and micro
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On February 04 2012 00:25 MeLttlPowny wrote:
Get the DPI as low as possible without getting annoyed by its slowness, best for more accuracy and micro
lol what? That is the opposite of true. High dpi low sensitivity is proven to be far superior to low dpi medium-high sensitivity.
The lower the dpi, the more likely it is that your mouse will skip pixels, expecially when moving quickly. Higher DPI makes your mouse move very quickly and hard to control, but via lowering in-game sensitivity you can have the same effective mouse speed but with higher dpi (better accuracy and fewer skipped pixels)
Think of it as this way, DPI is not what necessarily controls the *speed* of your mouse. That is what in-game mouse sensitivity slider is for.
DPI stands for dots per inch. The more dots per inch, the more accurately your mouse will translate its real movement through your cursor. Of course, having very high dots per inch will make it move faster, but you can very easily adjust the speed via in-game and windows speed settings. This does not affect the dots per inch sensed by the laser of the mouse.
I feel like a lot of people are confused since they use their mouse DPI as a measure for speed, which is the wrong approach. The idea is to find a mouse speed you are comfortable with, then get your DPI as high as possible while adjusting in-game sensitivity to maintain the speed you are accustomed to. Voila! you now have a comfortable speed with improved precision.
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Are people really this ignorrant to the difference between mouse scroll speed and mouse sensitivy?
I play zerg so I scroll between my main and natural, but if i'm moving the screen any further I click the mini map. Although, when I'm playing 4v4 I usually play terran and find the F keys extremely useful for making buildings and such.
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20% person as well, camera posis n minimap. scrolling is venom for micro.
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On February 03 2012 23:46 saer wrote:
In general, the best players never scroll their screen. They use location hotkeys, building hotkeys, unit hotkeys, or click on the minimap in order to move around quickly and efficiently. Personally, as a mid master protoss, my mouse scroll speed is quite low (20%), if you're in a battle and you need to nudge the screen a bit, it'd be pretty counter productive if you accidentally scrolled far away from the battle without meaning to.
Pretty much, i don't think it's important what it is as long as you're used to it and don't have problems with it. Just keep in mind that clicking the minimap is almost always more efficient and will allow you to do more things faster (increasing your apm)
We are talking about during battles here during which everyone scrolls their screen. I have been set to 20 forever and i feel that though it is not the optimal way to play, at this point I am used to it enough that there is no reason to learn new settings.
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At least you guys have a scroll button on your mouse :p
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On February 04 2012 00:54 FeyFey wrote:
20% person as well, camera posis n minimap. scrolling is venom for micro.
I understand using camera hotkeys or the minimap in most cases to switch screen positioning but how does slower scrolling speed help you with micro...?
You move the screen to where you want ASAP and then you micro, then you move the screen again ASAP and micro.
If scrolling would be slower, doesn't that harm your ability to micro quickly?
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Most pros use 100%, this is because for the most part hotkeys are used to center the screen and you don't want to waste time scrolling around.
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I see no reason to not use 100% as long as you can get used to it.
I feel a massive difference in micro with lower speeds, it might just be that I'm used to high speed scrolling but when I accidentally leave it on 20% it feels like my micro is in slow motion and I can't do anything fast enough.
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On February 04 2012 00:28 Reason.SC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 00:25 MeLttlPowny wrote:
Get the DPI as low as possible without getting annoyed by its slowness, best for more accuracy and micro lol what? That is the opposite of true. High dpi low sensitivity is proven to be far superior to low dpi medium-high sensitivity. The lower the dpi, the more likely it is that your mouse will skip pixels, expecially when moving quickly. Higher DPI makes your mouse move very quickly and hard to control, but via lowering in-game sensitivity you can have the same effective mouse speed but with higher dpi (better accuracy and fewer skipped pixels) Think of it as this way, DPI is not what necessarily controls the *speed* of your mouse. That is what in-game mouse sensitivity slider is for. DPI stands for dots per inch. The more dots per inch, the more accurately your mouse will translate its real movement through your cursor. Of course, having very high dots per inch will make it move faster, but you can very easily adjust the speed via in-game and windows speed settings. This does not affect the dots per inch sensed by the laser of the mouse. I feel like a lot of people are confused since they use their mouse DPI as a measure for speed, which is the wrong approach. The idea is to find a mouse speed you are comfortable with, then get your DPI as high as possible while adjusting in-game sensitivity to maintain the speed you are accustomed to. Voila! you now have a comfortable speed with improved precision.
I use 400 dpi with 6/11 in windows (toggled off in game), where did you learn that higher dpi with lower windows sense increases accuracy?
I never notice any skipped pixels so I'm curious.
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I use 400 dpi with 6/11 in windows (toggled off in game), where did you learn that higher dpi with lower windows sense increases accuracy?
I never notice any skipped pixels so I'm curious.
Just ignore him. He doesnt know what he is talking about xD
The only thing he is right about is what it stands for. 400 dpi means that your mouse moves 400 pixels on your screen when you move it an inch on your mousepad. Its pretty shocking to me that someone that knows what dpi is short for doesnt manage to put two and two together and understand this 
Im just gonna quote an article I remember reading not that long ago:
"The industry has been highly successful in establishing this number as something highly important, when in reality it doesn't really mean all that much. Technology has progressed to a level where you can move your mouse, say, one inch on your desk, and your cursor will move 2 or 3 times your screen length. That sounds impressive for sure, but where is the real value in that? That doesn't make you more precise or accurate; I would argue that it does exactly the opposite. A higher DPI in a mouse doesn't offer a lot of value, and it is not a benchmark for how precise or awesome the mouse is. It's simply a measure of sensitivity." Kim Rom, the CMO of SteelSeries
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On February 03 2012 23:46 saer wrote:
In general, the best players never scroll their screen.
Yes they do lol. Theoretically it would be faster if you have everything you need hotkeyed and never scroll, obviously, but go watch some top player streams they scroll loads.
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Im pretty sure my scroll speed is around 25 or so. Cant remember exactly. I never scroll my screen anyway. Having it fast to me makes it seem more like jumping than scrolling. Since if i do scroll it is for small exact movements i see no reason for me to place it any higher.
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Personally I use 100% because of you are scrolling you are only moving a tiny distance as most locations should be bound.
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I use 100%. No point wasting time holding your mouse to the edge of the screen
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On February 04 2012 00:54 FeyFey wrote:
20% person as well, camera posis n minimap. scrolling is venom for micro.
Maybe not the most elaborate way to say it but this is what's true. Scroll speed *in a perfect world* should not matter when it comes to micro. The best way to micro your units is to have your screen as stationary as possible while you micro within that screen. Now obviously a real game situation is going to call for you to scroll around a bit but the more you do it the 'less efficient' your micro is going to be.
If you don't believe me just watch the pros play, FPvods, replays, streams, both SC2 and Broodwar, they don't move their screen that much when the micro gets hot.
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Well the answer is of course a big difference. It's like playing call of duty on 3 compared to 10. Yeah sure in the beginning 3 is gonna feel better. But it is limiting how fast you can turn by a ton. So once you are comfortable playing 10. It's going to be way better because your the least possible limited by turn speed. Same goes here. Having 100% compared to 20% means your scrolling 5 times as fast. That's never going to be worse ONCE YOU GET USED TO IT. It'll only be better. I use somewhere around 80% and when I went to a different comp and was on 20. Yes I can see why people think your crazy for being on 20 lol. It takes like forever to scroll just from your main to your natural let alone any farther place of significance.
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On February 04 2012 00:28 Reason.SC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 00:25 MeLttlPowny wrote:
Get the DPI as low as possible without getting annoyed by its slowness, best for more accuracy and micro lol what? That is the opposite of true. High dpi low sensitivity is proven to be far superior to low dpi medium-high sensitivity. The lower the dpi, the more likely it is that your mouse will skip pixels, expecially when moving quickly. Higher DPI makes your mouse move very quickly and hard to control, but via lowering in-game sensitivity you can have the same effective mouse speed but with higher dpi (better accuracy and fewer skipped pixels) Think of it as this way, DPI is not what necessarily controls the *speed* of your mouse. That is what in-game mouse sensitivity slider is for. DPI stands for dots per inch. The more dots per inch, the more accurately your mouse will translate its real movement through your cursor. Of course, having very high dots per inch will make it move faster, but you can very easily adjust the speed via in-game and windows speed settings. This does not affect the dots per inch sensed by the laser of the mouse. I feel like a lot of people are confused since they use their mouse DPI as a measure for speed, which is the wrong approach. The idea is to find a mouse speed you are comfortable with, then get your DPI as high as possible while adjusting in-game sensitivity to maintain the speed you are accustomed to. Voila! you now have a comfortable speed with improved precision.
so much wrong in one post
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I almost never use the mouse scroll for anything. When I need to scroll the screen short distances I use the drag scroll to keep my cursor centered.
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On February 04 2012 03:20 zomgE wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 00:28 Reason.SC2 wrote:On February 04 2012 00:25 MeLttlPowny wrote:
Get the DPI as low as possible without getting annoyed by its slowness, best for more accuracy and micro lol what? That is the opposite of true. High dpi low sensitivity is proven to be far superior to low dpi medium-high sensitivity. The lower the dpi, the more likely it is that your mouse will skip pixels, expecially when moving quickly. Higher DPI makes your mouse move very quickly and hard to control, but via lowering in-game sensitivity you can have the same effective mouse speed but with higher dpi (better accuracy and fewer skipped pixels) Think of it as this way, DPI is not what necessarily controls the *speed* of your mouse. That is what in-game mouse sensitivity slider is for. DPI stands for dots per inch. The more dots per inch, the more accurately your mouse will translate its real movement through your cursor. Of course, having very high dots per inch will make it move faster, but you can very easily adjust the speed via in-game and windows speed settings. This does not affect the dots per inch sensed by the laser of the mouse. I feel like a lot of people are confused since they use their mouse DPI as a measure for speed, which is the wrong approach. The idea is to find a mouse speed you are comfortable with, then get your DPI as high as possible while adjusting in-game sensitivity to maintain the speed you are accustomed to. Voila! you now have a comfortable speed with improved precision. so much wrong in one post
Instead of saying a 1 line post in reponse to someone else's thought out post that they attempted to give insight on and made some effort. How about making some effort yourself to contribute and say WHY he's wrong and for what reason instead of "wow so much wrong". Let's say his is wrong. Your still the one looking bad because he had a nice long post that seemed like he actually gave a fuck. And yours was a one-liner. So please. Elaborate for me and tell me why he is wrong. Because I was under the impression that everything he said is totally true and have heard the same thing from others.
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I use unit, location and building hotkeys mostly to move around. The spacebar is my best friend--I've conditioned myself to hit it whenever I hear something, haha. The minimap is a good friend too though.
Honestly, if you have time to be panning across the screen, you're doing it wrong. Having time to pan across is a luxury, and a waste of time. Think of all the seconds that you spent panning in a game. Convert that to minutes, and multiply by your APM. That's a lot of things you didn't do in a game that you could have.
I'll admit that an entire engagements may not be on the same screen, especially in the case of massive flanks and reinforcements though.
I have my mouse set to some dpi where I can comfortable move my cursor from the top to bottom of my screen with my thumb.
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On February 03 2012 23:46 saer wrote:
In general, the best players never scroll their screen. They use location hotkeys, building hotkeys, unit hotkeys, or click on the minimap in order to move around quickly and efficiently. Personally, as a mid master protoss, my mouse scroll speed is quite low (20%), if you're in a battle and you need to nudge the screen a bit, it'd be pretty counter productive if you accidentally scrolled far away from the battle without meaning to.
Pretty much, i don't think it's important what it is as long as you're used to it and don't have problems with it. Just keep in mind that clicking the minimap is almost always more efficient and will allow you to do more things faster (increasing your apm)
I'm not really too sure about SC2, as the screen encompasses more units, and they clump up, but when setting up a big siege line or engaging a ball in a big territory, you will need to scroll. And you will need to be accustomed to your scroll sensitivity. But scrolling from your opponents nat to your main, or some big distance like that, is probably handled via minimap by nearly all good players.
On the topic of scrolling, Boxer is probably the most established player to frequently use the arrow keys for moving the screen.
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On February 04 2012 03:27 Berailfor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 03:20 zomgE wrote:On February 04 2012 00:28 Reason.SC2 wrote:On February 04 2012 00:25 MeLttlPowny wrote:
Get the DPI as low as possible without getting annoyed by its slowness, best for more accuracy and micro lol what? That is the opposite of true. High dpi low sensitivity is proven to be far superior to low dpi medium-high sensitivity. The lower the dpi, the more likely it is that your mouse will skip pixels, expecially when moving quickly. Higher DPI makes your mouse move very quickly and hard to control, but via lowering in-game sensitivity you can have the same effective mouse speed but with higher dpi (better accuracy and fewer skipped pixels) Think of it as this way, DPI is not what necessarily controls the *speed* of your mouse. That is what in-game mouse sensitivity slider is for. DPI stands for dots per inch. The more dots per inch, the more accurately your mouse will translate its real movement through your cursor. Of course, having very high dots per inch will make it move faster, but you can very easily adjust the speed via in-game and windows speed settings. This does not affect the dots per inch sensed by the laser of the mouse. I feel like a lot of people are confused since they use their mouse DPI as a measure for speed, which is the wrong approach. The idea is to find a mouse speed you are comfortable with, then get your DPI as high as possible while adjusting in-game sensitivity to maintain the speed you are accustomed to. Voila! you now have a comfortable speed with improved precision. so much wrong in one post Instead of saying a 1 line post in reponse to someone else's thought out post that they attempted to give insight on and made some effort. How about making some effort yourself to contribute and say WHY he's wrong and for what reason instead of "wow so much wrong". Let's say his is wrong. Your still the one looking bad because he had a nice long post that seemed like he actually gave a fuck. And yours was a one-liner. So please. Elaborate for me and tell me why he is wrong. Because I was under the impression that everything he said is totally true and have heard the same thing from others.
its alrdy explained few posts above so i only had to agree
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I use 80% and I think it is good enough, at first it was hard, but once you learn to just touch the edge of the screen a bit. It is really awesome. But if you have a very small monitor I dont advice it as youre prolly just gonna scroll away from the area of interest. =)
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Technically, the higher sensitivity you have, the higher potential you have, but it's all a matter of preference. You play best with whatever you're used to. As for myself, I've always played with a pretty high speed in just about every game, and I play on 80% in SC2.
Edit: Mouse sensitivity is about the same story as well
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France12883 Posts
I use 35% (high master terran).
I used like 20% at first, I always wanted to use a faster rate but I did not want to have to be used to.
I use mainly camera hotkey and control groups and avoid scrolling, but it's annoying when I have to put an expansion up :/.
It's a bit annoying for flanks but if you use your control groups fast enough it's ok
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On February 04 2012 03:29 zomgE wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 03:27 Berailfor wrote:On February 04 2012 03:20 zomgE wrote:On February 04 2012 00:28 Reason.SC2 wrote:On February 04 2012 00:25 MeLttlPowny wrote:
Get the DPI as low as possible without getting annoyed by its slowness, best for more accuracy and micro lol what? That is the opposite of true. High dpi low sensitivity is proven to be far superior to low dpi medium-high sensitivity. The lower the dpi, the more likely it is that your mouse will skip pixels, expecially when moving quickly. Higher DPI makes your mouse move very quickly and hard to control, but via lowering in-game sensitivity you can have the same effective mouse speed but with higher dpi (better accuracy and fewer skipped pixels) Think of it as this way, DPI is not what necessarily controls the *speed* of your mouse. That is what in-game mouse sensitivity slider is for. DPI stands for dots per inch. The more dots per inch, the more accurately your mouse will translate its real movement through your cursor. Of course, having very high dots per inch will make it move faster, but you can very easily adjust the speed via in-game and windows speed settings. This does not affect the dots per inch sensed by the laser of the mouse. I feel like a lot of people are confused since they use their mouse DPI as a measure for speed, which is the wrong approach. The idea is to find a mouse speed you are comfortable with, then get your DPI as high as possible while adjusting in-game sensitivity to maintain the speed you are accustomed to. Voila! you now have a comfortable speed with improved precision. so much wrong in one post Instead of saying a 1 line post in reponse to someone else's thought out post that they attempted to give insight on and made some effort. How about making some effort yourself to contribute and say WHY he's wrong and for what reason instead of "wow so much wrong". Let's say his is wrong. Your still the one looking bad because he had a nice long post that seemed like he actually gave a fuck. And yours was a one-liner. So please. Elaborate for me and tell me why he is wrong. Because I was under the impression that everything he said is totally true and have heard the same thing from others. its alrdy explained few posts above so i only had to agree
Oh okay so you have no clue what your taking about. I see. Well then please don't post how someone else is wrong when you aren't capable of explaining why. Because let me tell you, I read above and it explains why dpi isn't very important. And i don't think it is either, playing on 800 dpi with higher sensitivity is pretty much the same as higher dpi lower sensitivity. But the matter still remains that he is correct (as far as I know. Which is why I want to get to the bottom of this) that dpi is dots per inch. And when scaled based off of a measurement. The accuracy is actually being increased perfectly. Instead when you use sensitivity adjustments like in SC. That's telling the cursor to go at a speed multiplicitive of the DPI THAT WAS GIVEN INITIALLY. and as you know anything multiplicitive leaves spots where there aren't numbers (or in this case frames). So please unless you can prove what I just said wrong. So don't use some bullshit one line post to tell someone with 1k posts they are wrong when you don't even know what your talking about.
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Day9 said get something pretty fast, but not super fast to hurt accuracy. Now before you ridicule it, guy had sick micro in brood war. Depends on what you are used to I guess.
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I'm confused, does the OP mean mouse sensitivity, or like the setting in SC2 options that changes how fast the screen is moved when the mouse is placed near the edge of the screen?
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On February 04 2012 04:10 Flamingo777 wrote:
I'm confused, does the OP mean mouse sensitivity, or like the setting in SC2 options that changes how fast the screen is moved when the mouse is placed near the edge of the screen?
I think SCROLL is the keyword in the OP that will clue you to which =]
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On February 04 2012 03:39 Berailfor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 03:29 zomgE wrote:On February 04 2012 03:27 Berailfor wrote:On February 04 2012 03:20 zomgE wrote:On February 04 2012 00:28 Reason.SC2 wrote:On February 04 2012 00:25 MeLttlPowny wrote:
Get the DPI as low as possible without getting annoyed by its slowness, best for more accuracy and micro lol what? That is the opposite of true. High dpi low sensitivity is proven to be far superior to low dpi medium-high sensitivity. The lower the dpi, the more likely it is that your mouse will skip pixels, expecially when moving quickly. Higher DPI makes your mouse move very quickly and hard to control, but via lowering in-game sensitivity you can have the same effective mouse speed but with higher dpi (better accuracy and fewer skipped pixels) Think of it as this way, DPI is not what necessarily controls the *speed* of your mouse. That is what in-game mouse sensitivity slider is for. DPI stands for dots per inch. The more dots per inch, the more accurately your mouse will translate its real movement through your cursor. Of course, having very high dots per inch will make it move faster, but you can very easily adjust the speed via in-game and windows speed settings. This does not affect the dots per inch sensed by the laser of the mouse. I feel like a lot of people are confused since they use their mouse DPI as a measure for speed, which is the wrong approach. The idea is to find a mouse speed you are comfortable with, then get your DPI as high as possible while adjusting in-game sensitivity to maintain the speed you are accustomed to. Voila! you now have a comfortable speed with improved precision. so much wrong in one post Instead of saying a 1 line post in reponse to someone else's thought out post that they attempted to give insight on and made some effort. How about making some effort yourself to contribute and say WHY he's wrong and for what reason instead of "wow so much wrong". Let's say his is wrong. Your still the one looking bad because he had a nice long post that seemed like he actually gave a fuck. And yours was a one-liner. So please. Elaborate for me and tell me why he is wrong. Because I was under the impression that everything he said is totally true and have heard the same thing from others. its alrdy explained few posts above so i only had to agree Oh okay so you have no clue what your taking about. I see. Well then please don't post how someone else is wrong when you aren't capable of explaining why. Because let me tell you, I read above and it explains why dpi isn't very important. And i don't think it is either, playing on 800 dpi with higher sensitivity is pretty much the same as higher dpi lower sensitivity. But the matter still remains that he is correct (as far as I know. Which is why I want to get to the bottom of this) that dpi is dots per inch. And when scaled based off of a measurement. The accuracy is actually being increased perfectly. Instead when you use sensitivity adjustments like in SC. That's telling the cursor to go at a speed multiplicitive of the DPI THAT WAS GIVEN INITIALLY. and as you know anything multiplicitive leaves spots where there aren't numbers (or in this case frames). So please unless you can prove what I just said wrong. So don't use some bullshit one line post to tell someone with 1k posts they are wrong when you don't even know what your talking about.
point to me in what part of the post he is saying that. i'd really like to know. first of all his definition of dpi is wrong and it goes downhill from there. windows sens should always be 6/11 etc to avoid skipping pixels, low dpi will not make u skip pixels etc etc
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On February 04 2012 03:33 HaXXspetten wrote:
Technically, the higher sensitivity you have, the higher potential you have, but it's all a matter of preference. You play best with whatever you're used to. As for myself, I've always played with a pretty high speed in just about every game, and I play on 80% in SC2.
Edit: Mouse sensitivity is about the same story as well
How about this.
With a high sensitivity you get the speed easily and you have to struggle with accuracy.
With a low sensitivity you get the accuracy easily and you have to struggle with speed.
Then in a tournament game or important match, your pulse is racing, adrenaline is pumping etc etc, doesn't that make you faster rather than more accurate?
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Personally my mouse scroll ( border scroll ) speed is semi fast and then I have insane speed on my keyboard arrow keys for when I quickly need to zoom around. I feel this allows me to move around quickly without going half across the map during micro from hitting the border accidentally.
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On February 04 2012 04:35 johax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 03:33 HaXXspetten wrote:
Technically, the higher sensitivity you have, the higher potential you have, but it's all a matter of preference. You play best with whatever you're used to. As for myself, I've always played with a pretty high speed in just about every game, and I play on 80% in SC2.
Edit: Mouse sensitivity is about the same story as well How about this. With a high sensitivity you get the speed easily and you have to struggle with accuracy. With a low sensitivity you get the accuracy easily and you have to struggle with speed. Then in a tournament game or important match, your pulse is racing, adrenaline is pumping etc etc, doesn't that make you faster rather than more accurate?
Well. While what your saying is true, it only slightly applies to sensitivity and not at all to scroll speed and here is why. A pro always uses the same sensitivity and does not turn it down due to them being on an adrenaline rush (so as a result whatever speed your used to will be best) although like I said what your saying is in a sense true because you can always accelerate your hand at a faster rate in order to get the same speed as a higher sensitivity player. But this is not that case for scroll speed because it is a limiting factor. You cannot move your hand faster to get the same speed as someone with a higher scrolling speed. And so when your scroll speed is low. Yours LIMITING yourself. When your sensitivity is low, Your not (as much)because you can always change the rate of speed of your hand to change the speed of the cursor. Which is not possible for scroll speed.
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I have my mouse speed at 51% and the mouse scroll speed at 95%. Why would this be a problem if it suits me? Is there something similar to the skipping pixels thing if you have to high DPI etc.?
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its kinda important if u play protoss, u need to scroll fast between ur army and ur pylon
unless u fkey/hotkey ur pylon ofc
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On February 04 2012 04:24 zomgE wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 03:39 Berailfor wrote:On February 04 2012 03:29 zomgE wrote:On February 04 2012 03:27 Berailfor wrote:On February 04 2012 03:20 zomgE wrote:On February 04 2012 00:28 Reason.SC2 wrote:On February 04 2012 00:25 MeLttlPowny wrote:
Get the DPI as low as possible without getting annoyed by its slowness, best for more accuracy and micro lol what? That is the opposite of true. High dpi low sensitivity is proven to be far superior to low dpi medium-high sensitivity. The lower the dpi, the more likely it is that your mouse will skip pixels, expecially when moving quickly. Higher DPI makes your mouse move very quickly and hard to control, but via lowering in-game sensitivity you can have the same effective mouse speed but with higher dpi (better accuracy and fewer skipped pixels) Think of it as this way, DPI is not what necessarily controls the *speed* of your mouse. That is what in-game mouse sensitivity slider is for. DPI stands for dots per inch. The more dots per inch, the more accurately your mouse will translate its real movement through your cursor. Of course, having very high dots per inch will make it move faster, but you can very easily adjust the speed via in-game and windows speed settings. This does not affect the dots per inch sensed by the laser of the mouse. I feel like a lot of people are confused since they use their mouse DPI as a measure for speed, which is the wrong approach. The idea is to find a mouse speed you are comfortable with, then get your DPI as high as possible while adjusting in-game sensitivity to maintain the speed you are accustomed to. Voila! you now have a comfortable speed with improved precision. so much wrong in one post Instead of saying a 1 line post in reponse to someone else's thought out post that they attempted to give insight on and made some effort. How about making some effort yourself to contribute and say WHY he's wrong and for what reason instead of "wow so much wrong". Let's say his is wrong. Your still the one looking bad because he had a nice long post that seemed like he actually gave a fuck. And yours was a one-liner. So please. Elaborate for me and tell me why he is wrong. Because I was under the impression that everything he said is totally true and have heard the same thing from others. its alrdy explained few posts above so i only had to agree Oh okay so you have no clue what your taking about. I see. Well then please don't post how someone else is wrong when you aren't capable of explaining why. Because let me tell you, I read above and it explains why dpi isn't very important. And i don't think it is either, playing on 800 dpi with higher sensitivity is pretty much the same as higher dpi lower sensitivity. But the matter still remains that he is correct (as far as I know. Which is why I want to get to the bottom of this) that dpi is dots per inch. And when scaled based off of a measurement. The accuracy is actually being increased perfectly. Instead when you use sensitivity adjustments like in SC. That's telling the cursor to go at a speed multiplicitive of the DPI THAT WAS GIVEN INITIALLY. and as you know anything multiplicitive leaves spots where there aren't numbers (or in this case frames). So please unless you can prove what I just said wrong. So don't use some bullshit one line post to tell someone with 1k posts they are wrong when you don't even know what your talking about. point to me in what part of the post he is saying that. i'd really like to know. first of all his definition of dpi is wrong and it goes downhill from there. windows sens should always be 6/11 etc to avoid skipping pixels, low dpi will not make u skip pixels etc etc
As far as I know everything he said was correct, and he is talking about adjusting your in game settings, which windows sensitivity has nothing to do with.
If you don't believe me, take a look at this thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=165625］
Do you care to elaborate on how his definition and explanation of how dpi works is incorrect, because as I've always known it, Berailfor and the guy explaining DPI are 100% correct.
So instead of worthless content-less posts telling other people they're wrong, why don't you explain your belief to us, so we can either correct you, or you can correct us; as is, you have brought absolutely nothing to the discussion.
EDIT: typo.
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On February 04 2012 06:13 KhAmun wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 04:24 zomgE wrote:On February 04 2012 03:39 Berailfor wrote:On February 04 2012 03:29 zomgE wrote:On February 04 2012 03:27 Berailfor wrote:On February 04 2012 03:20 zomgE wrote:On February 04 2012 00:28 Reason.SC2 wrote:On February 04 2012 00:25 MeLttlPowny wrote:
Get the DPI as low as possible without getting annoyed by its slowness, best for more accuracy and micro lol what? That is the opposite of true. High dpi low sensitivity is proven to be far superior to low dpi medium-high sensitivity. The lower the dpi, the more likely it is that your mouse will skip pixels, expecially when moving quickly. Higher DPI makes your mouse move very quickly and hard to control, but via lowering in-game sensitivity you can have the same effective mouse speed but with higher dpi (better accuracy and fewer skipped pixels) Think of it as this way, DPI is not what necessarily controls the *speed* of your mouse. That is what in-game mouse sensitivity slider is for. DPI stands for dots per inch. The more dots per inch, the more accurately your mouse will translate its real movement through your cursor. Of course, having very high dots per inch will make it move faster, but you can very easily adjust the speed via in-game and windows speed settings. This does not affect the dots per inch sensed by the laser of the mouse. I feel like a lot of people are confused since they use their mouse DPI as a measure for speed, which is the wrong approach. The idea is to find a mouse speed you are comfortable with, then get your DPI as high as possible while adjusting in-game sensitivity to maintain the speed you are accustomed to. Voila! you now have a comfortable speed with improved precision. so much wrong in one post Instead of saying a 1 line post in reponse to someone else's thought out post that they attempted to give insight on and made some effort. How about making some effort yourself to contribute and say WHY he's wrong and for what reason instead of "wow so much wrong". Let's say his is wrong. Your still the one looking bad because he had a nice long post that seemed like he actually gave a fuck. And yours was a one-liner. So please. Elaborate for me and tell me why he is wrong. Because I was under the impression that everything he said is totally true and have heard the same thing from others. its alrdy explained few posts above so i only had to agree Oh okay so you have no clue what your taking about. I see. Well then please don't post how someone else is wrong when you aren't capable of explaining why. Because let me tell you, I read above and it explains why dpi isn't very important. And i don't think it is either, playing on 800 dpi with higher sensitivity is pretty much the same as higher dpi lower sensitivity. But the matter still remains that he is correct (as far as I know. Which is why I want to get to the bottom of this) that dpi is dots per inch. And when scaled based off of a measurement. The accuracy is actually being increased perfectly. Instead when you use sensitivity adjustments like in SC. That's telling the cursor to go at a speed multiplicitive of the DPI THAT WAS GIVEN INITIALLY. and as you know anything multiplicitive leaves spots where there aren't numbers (or in this case frames). So please unless you can prove what I just said wrong. So don't use some bullshit one line post to tell someone with 1k posts they are wrong when you don't even know what your talking about. point to me in what part of the post he is saying that. i'd really like to know. first of all his definition of dpi is wrong and it goes downhill from there. windows sens should always be 6/11 etc to avoid skipping pixels, low dpi will not make u skip pixels etc etc Berailfor and the guy explaining DPI are 100% correct.
to me it looked like they weren't saying the same thing. maybe i understood the other post wrong then,
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On February 04 2012 03:28 ticklishmusic wrote:
I use unit, location and building hotkeys mostly to move around. The spacebar is my best friend--I've conditioned myself to hit it whenever I hear something, haha. The minimap is a good friend too though.
Honestly, if you have time to be panning across the screen, you're doing it wrong. Having time to pan across is a luxury, and a waste of time. Think of all the seconds that you spent panning in a game. Convert that to minutes, and multiply by your APM. That's a lot of things you didn't do in a game that you could have.
I'll admit that an entire engagements may not be on the same screen, especially in the case of massive flanks and reinforcements though.
I have my mouse set to some dpi where I can comfortable move my cursor from the top to bottom of my screen with my thumb.
Of course the problem with this otherwise "efficient" style is demonstrated by Jaedong in his game against Flying. Blocked off his ramp for like 8 minutes with misrallied drones trolololol.
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On February 04 2012 03:12 Ncage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 00:54 FeyFey wrote:
20% person as well, camera posis n minimap. scrolling is venom for micro. Maybe not the most elaborate way to say it but this is what's true. Scroll speed *in a perfect world* should not matter when it comes to micro. The best way to micro your units is to have your screen as stationary as possible while you micro within that screen. Now obviously a real game situation is going to call for you to scroll around a bit but the more you do it the 'less efficient' your micro is going to be. If you don't believe me just watch the pros play, FPvods, replays, streams, both SC2 and Broodwar, they don't move their screen that much when the micro gets hot.
So you don't scroll your screen unless you have to. I'm pretty sure everyone agrees on this.
BUT if you were to scroll your screen, how is it anything but a boon to have it go faster rather than slower.
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I started out with a low-ish scroll speed and just increased it by 10 or so every time I remembered to do so. Now I'm sitting on 100% which I'm really comfortable and accurate with. I feel like the higher scroll speed you're comfortable with the better. It's obviously better to practice clicking on the map and using camera hotkeys (which I do) instead of scrolling the screen around long distances.
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On February 04 2012 00:28 Reason.SC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 00:25 MeLttlPowny wrote:
Get the DPI as low as possible without getting annoyed by its slowness, best for more accuracy and micro lol what? That is the opposite of true. High dpi low sensitivity is proven to be far superior to low dpi medium-high sensitivity. The lower the dpi, the more likely it is that your mouse will skip pixels, expecially when moving quickly. Higher DPI makes your mouse move very quickly and hard to control, but via lowering in-game sensitivity you can have the same effective mouse speed but with higher dpi (better accuracy and fewer skipped pixels) Think of it as this way, DPI is not what necessarily controls the *speed* of your mouse. That is what in-game mouse sensitivity slider is for. DPI stands for dots per inch. The more dots per inch, the more accurately your mouse will translate its real movement through your cursor. Of course, having very high dots per inch will make it move faster, but you can very easily adjust the speed via in-game and windows speed settings. This does not affect the dots per inch sensed by the laser of the mouse. I feel like a lot of people are confused since they use their mouse DPI as a measure for speed, which is the wrong approach. The idea is to find a mouse speed you are comfortable with, then get your DPI as high as possible while adjusting in-game sensitivity to maintain the speed you are accustomed to. Voila! you now have a comfortable speed with improved precision.
I believe this is completely wrong. Go to http://www.overclock.net/f/375/mice/ for great information on mice.
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I don't know if this has already been said, but do not change the mouse sensitivity on Windows. It'll make you skip pixels. Raise the DPI on your mouse to increase it.
I was originally playing with like a 900DPI Microsoft mouse until I got my Razer Lachesis 5600. I believe I started around 1300 now I'm up to 2300dpi. Play what you're comfortable with. If you feel like it's too slow for what you're trying to do, raise it a bit; and I would say to move up in gradual increments (100dpi or so).
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I love all this talk about DPI and mouse sensitivity in a thread about SCROLL SPEED.
I have mine around 50%, not so slow that I feel like I'm dragging the camera through sludge, but not so fast that I skip where I'm trying to get to in the heat of battle.
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61%, suits me well for little twitches to just outside my screen, which I think is actually an important thing to do. Anything further back and I'll use my minimap or camera hotkeys/unit hotkeys.
I don't see why scrolling seems to be one of those 'don't do' things, for small incremental movements, i.e placing a pylon at the perimeter of your base, it is faster than any other method.
I also like to split my army quite far back, with a second wave of templars quite far back, and have got it that I can do this pretty comfortably.
I actually love UI/hotkey discussions, it's amazing just how much variation there is and although there are generally accepted norms, there is no consensus on 'the best' setup
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Is the OP talking about scroll speed or movement speed?
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On February 05 2012 03:58 Limniscate wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 00:28 Reason.SC2 wrote:On February 04 2012 00:25 MeLttlPowny wrote:
Get the DPI as low as possible without getting annoyed by its slowness, best for more accuracy and micro lol what? That is the opposite of true. High dpi low sensitivity is proven to be far superior to low dpi medium-high sensitivity. The lower the dpi, the more likely it is that your mouse will skip pixels, expecially when moving quickly. Higher DPI makes your mouse move very quickly and hard to control, but via lowering in-game sensitivity you can have the same effective mouse speed but with higher dpi (better accuracy and fewer skipped pixels) Think of it as this way, DPI is not what necessarily controls the *speed* of your mouse. That is what in-game mouse sensitivity slider is for. DPI stands for dots per inch. The more dots per inch, the more accurately your mouse will translate its real movement through your cursor. Of course, having very high dots per inch will make it move faster, but you can very easily adjust the speed via in-game and windows speed settings. This does not affect the dots per inch sensed by the laser of the mouse. I feel like a lot of people are confused since they use their mouse DPI as a measure for speed, which is the wrong approach. The idea is to find a mouse speed you are comfortable with, then get your DPI as high as possible while adjusting in-game sensitivity to maintain the speed you are accustomed to. Voila! you now have a comfortable speed with improved precision. I believe this is completely wrong. Go to http://www.overclock.net/f/375/mice/ for great information on mice.
Please post a more specific source or kindly keep your beliefs to yourself. What he's stating pretty much agrees with everything I've read about DPI and mouse sensitivity.
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On February 05 2012 04:21 Uncultured wrote:
Is the OP talking about scroll speed or movement speed?
Scroll speed. Some people got confused.
I switched from 25 % to 50 %. I'm not quite sure if faster is always better than slower. In theory one would just save time when using a scrolling speed of 100 %. Unless of course you are not able to move your screen precisely enough with 100 % ... I'm going to give the 100 % a try, but the jump from 25 % up to 100 % was to big, I'm going for some middle steps ;P
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The faster the better. You should minimize that time that you spend scrolling, so turn it up as high as you can handle.
According to Day9, you should never be scrolling anyway, but rather click the mini-map and use location hotkeys.
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I use a 3600dpi deathadder mouse. It tracks really fucking fast and accurate at 3600dpi, so I turn the sensitivity down in game. I used to run at like 90% when I had a regular cheapo optical mouse.
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I just found out that i only have 31% scroll speed. I think i'll increase that, but i never had the impression, that such a slow speed does affect my play in a negative way, because i'm very used to clicking on the mini map for quickly changing my view, which leads to a lot of minimap awareness.
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i always set it to 100% in any game
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Theory is that scrolling is not the most effective way to move around, thus, scrolling is only used to make small, very light adjustments when you're already kinda at the location you want to be (if this makes any sense). Which is why, at least for me personally, I prefer a pretty low scroll speed (~35% if I recall correctly) because I mainly use hotkeys, spacebar, and F2-F4 (saved locations) to move around and whenever I scroll I just do it to adjust the screen ever so slightly. If I had it on like 80% it would be hard to make these small adjustments and you'd scroll far more than you wanted too. Also if you have a very high scroll speed and you have to move your screen just slightly in an intense micro situation, things could get really ugly.
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On February 09 2012 06:27 IPS.Blue wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2012 04:21 Uncultured wrote:
Is the OP talking about scroll speed or movement speed? Scroll speed. Some people got confused. I switched from 25 % to 50 %. I'm not quite sure if faster is always better than slower. In theory one would just save time when using a scrolling speed of 100 %. Unless of course you are not able to move your screen precisely enough with 100 % ... I'm going to give the 100 % a try, but the jump from 25 % up to 100 % was to big, I'm going for some middle steps ;P
I started with 30% and worked my way up to 100 in 10%-steps.
Then I stopped playing for a pretty long time and now I can't even handle 50% anymore without screwing everything up.
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On February 09 2012 06:32 Mr Showtime wrote:
The faster the better. You should minimize that time that you spend scrolling, so turn it up as high as you can handle.
According to Day9, you should never be scrolling anyway, but rather click the mini-map and use location hotkeys.
There are just situations where your mouse cursor is closer to the edge of the screen, than it is to the minimap ... But yeah, clicking the mini-map and location hotkeys are generally the way to go.
On February 09 2012 06:34 darkscream wrote:
I use a 3600dpi deathadder mouse. It tracks really fucking fast and accurate at 3600dpi, so I turn the sensitivity down in game. I used to run at like 90% when I had a regular cheapo optical mouse.
Wrong topic.
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I play at 100% scroll speed, always done it that way, can't stand anything slower, as I'll be wasting time waiting for my screen to get into position instead of spreading my marines, sieging tanks, building production, etc...
If you can't control the screen at 100% then perhaps your mouse speed it too high, or your mouse accuracy is at fault.
I use camera saves for my bases and rally point, so I'm not using scrolling except when controlling a large army, building depots, and microing drops.
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On February 09 2012 06:53 IPS.Blue wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 06:32 Mr Showtime wrote:
The faster the better. You should minimize that time that you spend scrolling, so turn it up as high as you can handle.
According to Day9, you should never be scrolling anyway, but rather click the mini-map and use location hotkeys. There are just situations where your mouse cursor is closer to the edge of the screen, than it is to the minimap ... But yeah, clicking the mini-map and location hotkeys are generally the way to go.
Yea, for something just barely out of view obviously scrolling is faster. But scrolling from your main to your natural is worse than using the mini-map and a location hotkey. However, you could probably equalize time by turning the speed wayyy up.
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Mouse Scroll Speed at 100%.
Mouse sensitivity turned off in sc2, so you get desktop speed. Just uncheck "Enable mouse sensitivity".
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select uses really slow scroll speed i think.
not using scroll speed makes you more dependent on hotkeys and minimap which IMO is faster than the highest scroll speed.
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I don't really use my mouse to scroll on the edges of my screen, I just use drag-scrolling for small adjustments so I don't have to whip my wrist all the way to the side to move the screen a tiny amount...
But for the sake of teh thread: Mouse Scroll Speed is at 29% and Drag Scroll Speed is at 76%.
I also have mouse wheel zoom disabled.
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Mouse scroll speed... I'm assuming that's for when your mouse is at the edge of the screen to move the minimap. In which case, I use 25%. Too fast wrecks my eyes and I'll often overshoot where I wanna go.
Mouse sensitivity is at 99% like a boss.
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My mouse scroll speed has been 20% but I will change it to like 80%-100% (I haven't even know about that setting before...).
I know that this thread is not for discussing about mouse sensitivity but nevertheless I ask this:
I have set my mouse DPI as high as possible, 1800, and it is not fast enough. I would like to have at least 2200-2500 DPI if it just was possible with my Logitech mouse. Many people have said that I shouldn't increase mouse speed from Windows settings but how could I then increase the speed? Do I really have to buy a new mouse just because I need a few hundred higher DPI, or is there some other way?
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It's probably one of the easiest things to get better at. Pick a speed goal you want to be at in the future, and every day adjust the bar up one or two levels. From 50% to 52%. These small changes are almost unnoticeable, but over time will improve your play just a little bit more.
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I do it as well this is my setting @ 5600dpi, half mouse speed.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Y9JyE.png)
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I use 20% scroll speed with desktop mouse speed (400 dpi mouse, no way to set dpi). I only use scroll to move small distances; with high scroll speed, it's easy to overshoot. I keep the low mouse speed because I'm already used to it, it's easier to have consistency between SC2 and everything else.
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On February 03 2012 23:46 saer wrote:
In general, the best players never scroll their screen. They use location hotkeys, building hotkeys, unit hotkeys, or click on the minimap in order to move around quickly and efficiently. Personally, as a mid master protoss, my mouse scroll speed is quite low (20%), if you're in a battle and you need to nudge the screen a bit, it'd be pretty counter productive if you accidentally scrolled far away from the battle without meaning to.
Pretty much, i don't think it's important what it is as long as you're used to it and don't have problems with it. Just keep in mind that clicking the minimap is almost always more efficient and will allow you to do more things faster (increasing your apm)
what lol mouse scroll is used by everyone, you're not going to click the minimap when you need to move your vision from your main to your natural, it's faster just to bang your mouse against the border of your screen real quick (with a high sensitivity) once or twice and instantly be there...
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Scroll speed is supposed to be low me thoughts? I use around 20 to 30 with 1600 DPI. I use camera hotkeys and hotkey all major tech and click the mini map as much as possible. I only scroll when absolutely necessary. When you micro, you shouldn't be moving your screen... you should have it stationary and move within that screen as much as possible. Even with 100 percent scroll speed you are still slower than someone who uses camera hotkeys to navigate bases/tech. If you wanna see what I mean watch HerO play. He navigates the game so beautifully with a really low level of screen scroll (the proper way to navigate btw) and his ingame sensitivity is low and his mouse dpi is low I'm pretty sure... scrolling is bad mechanics.
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To the guy who posted above me: yes, everyone scrolls but the best players don't do it much. I never, ever, ever scroll to my natural. Why would I want to scroll when I could press one button that does it instantly?
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I disabled Mouse Scroll and only use middle mouse to move the screen or the mini-map.
That way if i need to adjust the screen position my mouse cursor is still in the middle of the screen so i can micro immediately 
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On February 03 2012 23:46 saer wrote:
In general, the best players never scroll their screen. They use location hotkeys, building hotkeys, unit hotkeys, or click on the minimap in order to move around quickly and efficiently. Personally, as a mid master protoss, my mouse scroll speed is quite low (20%), if you're in a battle and you need to nudge the screen a bit, it'd be pretty counter productive if you accidentally scrolled far away from the battle without meaning to.
Pretty much, i don't think it's important what it is as long as you're used to it and don't have problems with it. Just keep in mind that clicking the minimap is almost always more efficient and will allow you to do more things faster (increasing your apm)
Lol, that's a complete lie. Watch any pro player's stream. They mouse scroll all the time...what the hell are you talking about?
Sure, you shouldn't use mouse scroll to look from one base to another or anything like that, but when you're controlling your army, scouting, or anything, you mouse scroll...
It's a LOT more efficient to mouse scroll your scouting worker from the nat into the main than to click on the minimap -_-.
Your mouse scroll speed should absolutely be 100%.
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I play at highest mouse scroll. I did in Brood War and it carried over I guess. I also use mouse3 scroll, which is also at highest speed, for going dragging quickly to corners of the map.
On February 09 2012 11:47 Kharnage wrote:I disabled Mouse Scroll and only use middle mouse to move the screen or the mini-map. That way if i need to adjust the screen position my mouse cursor is still in the middle of the screen so i can micro immediately
This seems so inefficient to me now, but then again I used to use keypad only to scroll because I wanted to be like Boxer.
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i posted this earlier in the thread but it seems a mod deleted my picture when i caught a shot of nestea's settings.
He uses 70% mouse sensitivity and 100% scroll speed and is a 3 time gsl champion. With that said use what you are most comfortable with. I personally think zerg and terran users need higher scroll speed ( for spreading creep fast as zerg and queing up drops along the map with terran).
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On February 09 2012 11:39 MjoLniRXx wrote:
Scroll speed is supposed to be low me thoughts? I use around 20 to 30 with 1600 DPI. I use camera hotkeys and hotkey all major tech and click the mini map as much as possible. I only scroll when absolutely necessary. When you micro, you shouldn't be moving your screen... you should have it stationary and move within that screen as much as possible. Even with 100 percent scroll speed you are still slower than someone who uses camera hotkeys to navigate bases/tech. If you wanna see what I mean watch HerO play. He navigates the game so beautifully with a really low level of screen scroll (the proper way to navigate btw) and his ingame sensitivity is low and his mouse dpi is low I'm pretty sure... scrolling is bad mechanics.
I don't see how in any situation a lower scroll speed would be more superior than a high one. As I stated earlier, I do think getting used to as high scroll speed as possible is for the better. Sure, using F2-4 as camera hotkeys to navigate to your bases/tech/whatever instead of scrolling around the map is better but when you need to move your camera short distances out on the map or something like spreading creep or microing your scout there is nothing wrong with scrolling.
Good players scroll all the time, just load up a stream and watch. Scrolling is definitely not bad mechanics, however scrolling more than necessary is bad, you need to find the sweet spot where you're comfortable utilizing both scrolling and the use of camer hotkeys/clicking on the minimap.
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I play with my XAI on 5000 cpi. Felt kinda fast at first. My initial perfect eye to hand match was about 3200 cpi but then I somehow slowly wanted it higher. So I just maxed and got used to it. People who come by and try to use it make me lol alot.
Have 1920*2+1280 wide display and can scroll all over without moving the base of my hand. Also since I read and followed guide below I never have to lift mouse and reset it's position. If I move my hand back to .0 mousepointer is back where it started. Something I _always_ had an issue with before.
If you care at all about mouse accuracy you _need_ to read this and take action: http://donewmouseaccel.blogspot.com/2010/03/markc-windows-7-mouse-acceleration-fix.html
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On February 09 2012 11:39 MjoLniRXx wrote:
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To the guy who posted above me: yes, everyone scrolls but the best players don't do it much. I never, ever, ever scroll to my natural. Why would I want to scroll when I could press one button that does it instantly?
You would have to be very close to your natural, for scrolling to be faster then pressing a location hotkey. Unfortunately many players don't use the location hotkeys (Grubby for example uses them only to spam at the beginning of a game ;P), because they are quite hard to getting used to, when you're used to other methods.
On February 09 2012 12:32 oZe wrote:
I play with ... 5000 cpi ...
Again, wrong topic.
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Always use the minimap to scroll.
I only mouse scroll when it's during a battle and then accuaracy is more important than speed.
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This whole concept of 'none of the top players scroll' or 'top players rarely scroll' is total BS . I've watched so many streams...
Here is what I see the top players do: BOTH! They mouse scroll a lot to move around to nearby things and they use hotkeys as well as clicking on the minimap. It seems like nearly all clearly do scroll quite frequently and they all use a combination of scrolling/clicking minimap/hotkeys to move their camera position.
Honestly I was kind of disheartened when I watched Day9's VOD on macro and the total negative attitude towards mouse scrolling was misguided. All the top pros ARE mouse scrolling quite frequently. Everything else in that VOD was just so good... but the whole "MOUSE SCROLLING IS HORRIBLEEEE" was just completely wrong. Yeah, you use hotkeys as often as possible(duh), but you don't have hotkeys for every camera location.
Personally, I've found that I'm at about 80% scroll speed. I've raised it a bit more and more over time. I am going to gradually increase it more as it just kind of takes some getting used to. I'm too big of a wuss and found it too big of a shock to just jump to 100% right off the bat.
Kinda sad some people can't spend 10 seconds to read OP and are confusing ppl talking about mouse sensitivity. Go find the thread for THAT topic please.
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On February 10 2012 05:14 skipdog172 wrote:
This whole concept of 'none of the top players scroll' or 'top players rarely scroll' is total BS . I've watched so many streams...
Here is what I see the top players do: BOTH! They mouse scroll a lot to move around to nearby things and they use hotkeys as well as clicking on the minimap. It seems like nearly all clearly do scroll quite frequently and they all use a combination of scrolling/clicking minimap/hotkeys to move their camera position.
Honestly I was kind of disheartened when I watched Day9's VOD on macro and the total negative attitude towards mouse scrolling was misguided. All the top pros ARE mouse scrolling quite frequently. Everything else in that VOD was just so good... but the whole "MOUSE SCROLLING IS HORRIBLEEEE" was just completely wrong. Yeah, you use hotkeys as often as possible(duh), but you don't have hotkeys for every camera location.
Personally, I've found that I'm at about 80% scroll speed. I've raised it a bit more and more over time. I am going to gradually increase it more as it just kind of takes some getting used to. I'm too big of a wuss and found it too big of a shock to just jump to 100% right off the bat.
If you've ever watched koreans stream (like ForGG), you'll notice he has extremely low scroll speed and instead just uses hotkeys for everything (or minimap). It's a BW habit I guess, but he's insanely good about rarely scrolling (I was watching him for a few hours yesterday and he was consistently minimizing his scrolling, only for battles or when he knew rallied units were close).
I think ideally, you shouldn't have to scroll around a lot because using hotkeys is way faster and will make you better, but a lot of pro-gamers don't do it because it's hard to get used to and to do it consistently.
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On February 10 2012 08:16 shishy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 05:14 skipdog172 wrote:
This whole concept of 'none of the top players scroll' or 'top players rarely scroll' is total BS . I've watched so many streams...
Here is what I see the top players do: BOTH! They mouse scroll a lot to move around to nearby things and they use hotkeys as well as clicking on the minimap. It seems like nearly all clearly do scroll quite frequently and they all use a combination of scrolling/clicking minimap/hotkeys to move their camera position.
Honestly I was kind of disheartened when I watched Day9's VOD on macro and the total negative attitude towards mouse scrolling was misguided. All the top pros ARE mouse scrolling quite frequently. Everything else in that VOD was just so good... but the whole "MOUSE SCROLLING IS HORRIBLEEEE" was just completely wrong. Yeah, you use hotkeys as often as possible(duh), but you don't have hotkeys for every camera location.
Personally, I've found that I'm at about 80% scroll speed. I've raised it a bit more and more over time. I am going to gradually increase it more as it just kind of takes some getting used to. I'm too big of a wuss and found it too big of a shock to just jump to 100% right off the bat.
If you've ever watched koreans stream (like ForGG), you'll notice he has extremely low scroll speed and instead just uses hotkeys for everything (or minimap). It's a BW habit I guess, but he's insanely good about rarely scrolling (I was watching him for a few hours yesterday and he was consistently minimizing his scrolling, only for battles or when he knew rallied units were close). I think ideally, you shouldn't have to scroll around a lot because using hotkeys is way faster and will make you better, but a lot of pro-gamers don't do it because it's hard to get used to and to do it consistently.
Sure, yeah, you can find exceptions. They are just that. Exceptions.
Apparently I wasn't clear. YEAH use hotkeys all you possibly can. The top players do. They ALSO mouse scroll a TON. ALL THE TIME. Not occasionally. Constantly as a part of their regular cursor movement. So of course you use hotkeys and camera hotkeys when possible, but this constant repeating of 'top players don't mouse scroll' is utter BS. Of course they minimize it. We should all minimize it and use hotkeys/camera saves as much as possible. Just trying to point out the people trying to claim pros don't do it or do it RARELY are pretty much dead wrong.
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I personally set my mouse scroll speed to a fairly high value. I find that if I'm deliberate with my mouse, which I am, it doesn't hit the sides of the screen very often at all; unless I want it to. If I want it to, I want it to spend as little time there as possible while still giving me reasonably good control over where my camera ends up. So I find that the fastest you can handle is the best, at least for me.
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