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O.Golden_ne
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia204 Posts
February 15 2012 07:40 GMT
#1141
I couldn't agree more with the OP.

The interface leads to a very lonely existence while playing the game, as well as being very counter intuitive. The only way i've found i can mitigate that is by asking anyone i find that i like if they have skype. lol. Everything needs a complete overhaul.

gogo blizzard fix it in time for HOTS
Like a baneling in a mineral line
[F_]aths
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany3947 Posts
February 15 2012 13:59 GMT
#1142
On February 15 2012 16:38 Inori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2012 00:07 Belial88 wrote:
On February 14 2012 15:53 jackdaniels wrote:
Blizzard before: Made games to make the best game they can, rewarded with tons of cash.
Blizzard now: Makes games to make money; Less and less people buying their crap.


I cannot believe anyone can bash on blizzard games.

Your on a sc forum. How many of us literally have only played sc since it came out? How many of us are going to play starcraft for at least the next 5 years?

Considering most 'good games' last a month, SC, WoW, WC, all of blizzard games are just beyond amazing, and beyond anything else out there. The only games maybe close in quality is CounterStrike or Halo. There's probably less than 10 really, really, quality games out there, even if you were to be liberal with what is 'good'.

The lack of perspective from some people is just ridiculous. As 'shitty' as SC2 is, I, among many others in here, will no doubt buy HOTS, and love it. Even with crappy UI or chat (and is it really that crappy? or just below your expectations?).

SC, WC, Diablo(1-2) and even WoW to some extent were all developed by a completely different Blizzard (Blizzard North).
Only the Diablo series was developed by Blizzard North.
You don't choose to play zerg. The zerg choose you.
Naeroon
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada166 Posts
February 15 2012 17:23 GMT
#1143
I agree so much with everything said here and on the bnet forums.

Its kind of disheartening, cuz you know they did a piss poor job, THEY know they did a piss poor job, and yet BOTH of you know they aren't going to change SHIT until HoTS at the EARLIEST (and who knows if theyll even change anything then) because they already took your money so why should they give a shit.

Blizz used to be THE dream company. I never thought it would be possible for them to faulter, throughout my life Ive seen companies fuck up or just be mediocre but never blizz... until now. I can see the corporate greed and its frankly depressing that the favourite game company from my childhood has now turned into the metaphorical prostitute.
ZenDeX
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Philippines2916 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-15 17:35:24
February 15 2012 17:32 GMT
#1144
On February 15 2012 16:12 Gwypaas wrote:
http://www.joindota.com/en/news/2526-erik-johnson-confirms-lan-mode-for-dota2

DotA 2 here I come! Lan and mod support while having an awesome online platform. Blizzard take notes please.

An SC:BW or SC2 remake mod for Dota 2 will finish off Blizzard.

EDIT: Modders of Valve games are so brilliant. I remember playing countless of them during the era of HL and CS. Imagine where will it take them with Dota 2 engine.
zazone
Profile Joined April 2011
Romania460 Posts
February 15 2012 19:02 GMT
#1145
On February 15 2012 16:12 Gwypaas wrote:
http://www.joindota.com/en/news/2526-erik-johnson-confirms-lan-mode-for-dota2

DotA 2 here I come! Lan and mod support while having an awesome online platform. Blizzard take notes please.


after reading that article I can honestly say FUCK YOU BLIZZARD
Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?-Adolf Hitler
BamBam
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
745 Posts
February 15 2012 19:54 GMT
#1146
On February 16 2012 02:32 ZenDeX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2012 16:12 Gwypaas wrote:
http://www.joindota.com/en/news/2526-erik-johnson-confirms-lan-mode-for-dota2

DotA 2 here I come! Lan and mod support while having an awesome online platform. Blizzard take notes please.

An SC:BW or SC2 remake mod for Dota 2 will finish off Blizzard.

EDIT: Modders of Valve games are so brilliant. I remember playing countless of them during the era of HL and CS. Imagine where will it take them with Dota 2 engine.


That.... actually brings up a valid point. I mean, if theres a modder out there who took the time to recreate BW/SC2 to have the exact same gameplay, then the question would be raised "On what platform do we play on?"
"two is way better than twice as one" - artosis
Strike_
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands704 Posts
February 15 2012 22:09 GMT
#1147
On February 16 2012 04:54 Energizer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2012 02:32 ZenDeX wrote:
On February 15 2012 16:12 Gwypaas wrote:
http://www.joindota.com/en/news/2526-erik-johnson-confirms-lan-mode-for-dota2

DotA 2 here I come! Lan and mod support while having an awesome online platform. Blizzard take notes please.

An SC:BW or SC2 remake mod for Dota 2 will finish off Blizzard.

EDIT: Modders of Valve games are so brilliant. I remember playing countless of them during the era of HL and CS. Imagine where will it take them with Dota 2 engine.


That.... actually brings up a valid point. I mean, if theres a modder out there who took the time to recreate BW/SC2 to have the exact same gameplay, then the question would be raised "On what platform do we play on?"

The superior one obviously.
SPOILER + Show Spoiler +
its not bnet 0.2
Gwypaas
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden41 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-15 22:18:10
February 15 2012 22:17 GMT
#1148
TTmore in US thread
I started an online petition. Please sign and help support a movement to change battle.net. People should start a facebook Group and twitter for this as well.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/stacraft-2-battlenet-20-overhaul/


Lets get this going.
gurrpp
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States437 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-15 22:22:42
February 15 2012 22:22 GMT
#1149
On February 15 2012 14:45 wunsun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2012 14:39 Sinensis wrote:
DotA 2 just confirmed LAN mode.... uh oh...


I don't see that as a huge problem. I don't want or really need LAN myself. What SC2 needs to be an actual esport is to have tournament LAN, at least at the big tournaments. To me, that is what is really needed.


You also have to give everyone LAN mode to practice on, if you use LAN in tournaments. And by everyone I don't mean pro players, since that gives them an unfair advantage over amateur players/anyone who don't get to practice on LAN. Everyone would need to have LAN access to create a level playing field(ofc if its an invitational tournament, all the invites would get access, but big open tournaments like MLG, who would probably benefit most from LAN, would not be able to do this).

There are tons of casual players who could also benefit from LAN. Its such a pain to have a LAN party on my campus when the internet is basically dog shit.
hot fuh days
godly-cheese
Profile Joined November 2011
United States67 Posts
February 15 2012 22:23 GMT
#1150
On February 16 2012 07:17 Gwypaas wrote:
Show nested quote +
TTmore in US thread
I started an online petition. Please sign and help support a movement to change battle.net. People should start a facebook Group and twitter for this as well.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/stacraft-2-battlenet-20-overhaul/


Lets get this going.


I second this.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
sagdashin
Profile Joined January 2011
Norway45 Posts
February 15 2012 22:29 GMT
#1151
This is taken from the european forums and made me think twice of what D3 will become:

Just went through Bashiok's (the community manager of D3) recent Q&A on Twitter.

Even though this is D3 it's still the battle.net 0.2 platform, and it should represent Blizzards current stance on it.

Some user "@Bashiok could you elaborate a bit mor on why exactly blizzard thinks that a general open chat channel like inn D2 or SC1 is a bad idea?
Bashiok: "@CaptRaven The good is minuscule compared to the bad, and we have to actually support these things..."


Some other user "@Bashiok any plans for any guild/clan features?"
Bashiok: "@Millerjoeblue We'd love to offer some kind of support for social groups, but it's on a wish list at the moment."

And again "@Bashiok I have a question about friends and chat in D3. Is it possible to add someone to a friends list? Also, is there a global chat?"
Bashiok: @Varastus21 Yes there's multiple different types of friends lists. Global chat like you want to spam all your friends? no."

And again "@Bashiok thats a bummer wanted to ask when the EU beta keys were coming . But a real question, can you play Diablo 3 offline?"
Bashiok: @QuriousAlonsus No.

And again "@Bashiok thanks for your answer. so chat channels are still part of the game?"
Bashiok: "@kultbot They're in there right now. Unless people are expecting general open channels? We've consistently said we won't have those."
Hello arrogance and Blizzard out of touch with the community.


I know for sure that I am not buying D3 or HotS until you get your stuff together.
Shockk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany2269 Posts
February 15 2012 22:53 GMT
#1152
On February 16 2012 07:17 Gwypaas wrote:
Show nested quote +
TTmore in US thread
I started an online petition. Please sign and help support a movement to change battle.net. People should start a facebook Group and twitter for this as well.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/stacraft-2-battlenet-20-overhaul/


Lets get this going.


By all means get things going on Facebook and Twitter, but don't bother with petitions. Blizzard is known to ignore them and has even banned them from their official forums.

On February 16 2012 07:29 sagdashin wrote:
This is taken from the european forums and made me think twice of what D3 will become:

Show nested quote +
Just went through Bashiok's (the community manager of D3) recent Q&A on Twitter.

Even though this is D3 it's still the battle.net 0.2 platform, and it should represent Blizzards current stance on it.

Some user "@Bashiok could you elaborate a bit mor on why exactly blizzard thinks that a general open chat channel like inn D2 or SC1 is a bad idea?
Bashiok: "@CaptRaven The good is minuscule compared to the bad, and we have to actually support these things..."


Some other user "@Bashiok any plans for any guild/clan features?"
Bashiok: "@Millerjoeblue We'd love to offer some kind of support for social groups, but it's on a wish list at the moment."

And again "@Bashiok I have a question about friends and chat in D3. Is it possible to add someone to a friends list? Also, is there a global chat?"
Bashiok: @Varastus21 Yes there's multiple different types of friends lists. Global chat like you want to spam all your friends? no."

And again "@Bashiok thats a bummer wanted to ask when the EU beta keys were coming . But a real question, can you play Diablo 3 offline?"
Bashiok: @QuriousAlonsus No.

And again "@Bashiok thanks for your answer. so chat channels are still part of the game?"
Bashiok: "@kultbot They're in there right now. Unless people are expecting general open channels? We've consistently said we won't have those."
Hello arrogance and Blizzard out of touch with the community.


I know for sure that I am not buying D3 or HotS until you get your stuff together.


Bashiok's tweets have been linked in the OP for a while now, but it doesn't hurt quoting them again. They really make you think again.
CalmKiwi
Profile Joined March 2011
12 Posts
February 16 2012 00:35 GMT
#1153
On February 16 2012 02:32 ZenDeX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2012 16:12 Gwypaas wrote:
http://www.joindota.com/en/news/2526-erik-johnson-confirms-lan-mode-for-dota2

DotA 2 here I come! Lan and mod support while having an awesome online platform. Blizzard take notes please.

An SC:BW or SC2 remake mod for Dota 2 will finish off Blizzard.

EDIT: Modders of Valve games are so brilliant. I remember playing countless of them during the era of HL and CS. Imagine where will it take them with Dota 2 engine.


The modders are awesome, they always try to make innovative games. When you look at it, one of the most popular competitive games, DotA, has been created thanks to modders, imagine if they didn't start those projects in the WC3 editor, LoL, HoN and DotA2 wouldn't exist today

Imagine if those guys manage to make an interesting 1v1 RTS mod, I would totaly try it out
Shockk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany2269 Posts
February 16 2012 07:34 GMT
#1154
On February 16 2012 09:35 CalmKiwi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2012 02:32 ZenDeX wrote:
On February 15 2012 16:12 Gwypaas wrote:
http://www.joindota.com/en/news/2526-erik-johnson-confirms-lan-mode-for-dota2

DotA 2 here I come! Lan and mod support while having an awesome online platform. Blizzard take notes please.

An SC:BW or SC2 remake mod for Dota 2 will finish off Blizzard.

EDIT: Modders of Valve games are so brilliant. I remember playing countless of them during the era of HL and CS. Imagine where will it take them with Dota 2 engine.


The modders are awesome, they always try to make innovative games. When you look at it, one of the most popular competitive games, DotA, has been created thanks to modders, imagine if they didn't start those projects in the WC3 editor, LoL, HoN and DotA2 wouldn't exist today

Imagine if those guys manage to make an interesting 1v1 RTS mod, I would totaly try it out


Let's wait and see what Valve's community will create and share .
ikh
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom251 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-16 08:52:57
February 16 2012 08:50 GMT
#1155
be it lan, chatrooms, bnet2.0, prevention of cross-server play, microtransactions, poor/no mod support, online only play, whatever.. blizzard is not a democracy. the people calling shots in there these days are businessmen, not gamers. businessmen don't talk (much less answer) to customers, but shareholders. from a business standpoint as long as the game is good enough, you can dump a truckload of shit on your customer's head and have him haul ass to the store to buy your game :/

kind of depressing that though i know i'll love playing hots, i'm going to have a hard time getting to actually play it because of being shit on. i guess it helps a bit to know nobody else actually making the game (insider info!) feels good about the way bnet2 is handled either. here's hoping somebody tells the businessmen that, they'll never see this thread
Thylacine
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden882 Posts
February 16 2012 10:57 GMT
#1156
On February 16 2012 17:50 ikh wrote:
be it lan, chatrooms, bnet2.0, prevention of cross-server play, microtransactions, poor/no mod support, online only play, whatever.. blizzard is not a democracy. the people calling shots in there these days are businessmen, not gamers. businessmen don't talk (much less answer) to customers, but shareholders. from a business standpoint as long as the game is good enough, you can dump a truckload of shit on your customer's head and have him haul ass to the store to buy your game :/

kind of depressing that though i know i'll love playing hots, i'm going to have a hard time getting to actually play it because of being shit on. i guess it helps a bit to know nobody else actually making the game (insider info!) feels good about the way bnet2 is handled either. here's hoping somebody tells the businessmen that, they'll never see this thread



While it is absolutely true its mostly 100% about the money, I feel your look on this is wrong. They cant ignore us forever, they wont and blizzard DO care if we want stuff. They will implant name change because we asked them to. Same with the old time when we had no chat channels , we asked them for it.

Same thing now - but bigger. We want a really big improvement, and we got our reasons. BN.et 2.0 sucks balls and I assure you it will get fixed by blizzard if we just keep protesting and making them aware of this big problem.

Keep a good spirit
What you're looking at could be the end of a particularly terrifying nightmare. It isn't. It's the beginning. Introducing Mr. John Valentine, air traveler. His destination: the Twilight Zone...
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
February 16 2012 11:06 GMT
#1157
On February 16 2012 19:57 Zanazuah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2012 17:50 ikh wrote:
be it lan, chatrooms, bnet2.0, prevention of cross-server play, microtransactions, poor/no mod support, online only play, whatever.. blizzard is not a democracy. the people calling shots in there these days are businessmen, not gamers. businessmen don't talk (much less answer) to customers, but shareholders. from a business standpoint as long as the game is good enough, you can dump a truckload of shit on your customer's head and have him haul ass to the store to buy your game :/

kind of depressing that though i know i'll love playing hots, i'm going to have a hard time getting to actually play it because of being shit on. i guess it helps a bit to know nobody else actually making the game (insider info!) feels good about the way bnet2 is handled either. here's hoping somebody tells the businessmen that, they'll never see this thread



While it is absolutely true its mostly 100% about the money, I feel your look on this is wrong. They cant ignore us forever, they wont and blizzard DO care if we want stuff. They will implant name change because we asked them to. Same with the old time when we had no chat channels , we asked them for it.

Same thing now - but bigger. We want a really big improvement, and we got our reasons. BN.et 2.0 sucks balls and I assure you it will get fixed by blizzard if we just keep protesting and making them aware of this big problem.

Keep a good spirit

That was no asking, it was community uproar. Blizzard "listens" when the knife is on their neck.
Stork[gm]
ikh
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom251 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-16 11:43:13
February 16 2012 11:35 GMT
#1158
On February 16 2012 19:57 Zanazuah wrote:
While it is absolutely true its mostly 100% about the money, I feel your look on this is wrong. They cant ignore us forever, they wont and blizzard DO care if we want stuff. They will implant name change because we asked them to. Same with the old time when we had no chat channels , we asked them for it.

Same thing now - but bigger. We want a really big improvement, and we got our reasons. BN.et 2.0 sucks balls and I assure you it will get fixed by blizzard if we just keep protesting and making them aware of this big problem.

Keep a good spirit

they'll probably cave in with some fixes to its flaws (called new features with an exclamation mark and big letters) _eventually_ but i'm kind of doubtful of seeing anything reaching the level expected for year 2002 much less 2012+ ever

keep in mind we're talking about the company who designs a game with esports in mind - with no lan support and many pro games being ruined by it, and claiming recently LAN is time investment-wise too challenging to develop now (which is a straight-faced lie, cheers dustin). beating a dead horse there but to me that just perfectly encompasses a disregard for esports. just as no real dev level community communication (in or out) other than through some forum moderator and a patch change reasoning post before balance changes shows, to me, disregard for the community.

dunno if i'm being a doomcaller, a pessimist or a realist but i'm drawing a blank trying to think about good things to say of acti-blizz of recent years. not very hard to think of the bad stuff.
Marddox
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom108 Posts
February 16 2012 12:23 GMT
#1159
If I don't see any UI improvments in HOTS then I'll be less inclined to buy it, the only reason why im playing WoL on and off right now is because I have it and when I bought it I had a ton of friends to play with where as now when I log on I just feel lonely like there's no sense of community.
We didn't have no "4 gates" back in the probe drought, no sir! we only had 1 gate, chrono and probes to defend!
sagdashin
Profile Joined January 2011
Norway45 Posts
February 16 2012 13:35 GMT
#1160
I said this on the EU forums, but I'll post my opinion here as well:

This is shockingly bad from a bigass company like Blizzard. The implementation of these features can't take more than 1 month of work, concidering they just need to copy paste them from WC3 and give them an SC2 skin, it's their job for gods sake!

Hell, indie companies which is like consisting of 2 - 5 guys working, are doing more for their community than a multi-millionaire company! Terraria is my best example: they've been patching the game with small intervals with the size of entire expansions! And a lot of the new features are from requests arising on the forums. When something's up they always answer fast, too!

This is beyond lazy and i'm utterly dissapointed!
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