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Why are Starcraft 2 tournaments so unpredictable? - Page 13
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Mentalizor
Denmark1596 Posts
Well.. That... And what Greg said | ||
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DropTester
Australia608 Posts
As mentioned probably before winning 3 gsls would be consider quite consistent. | ||
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Ysellian
Netherlands9029 Posts
On February 03 2012 21:22 karpo wrote: That must be one of the most stupid statements i've heard. Statistics is a completely nessesary science, it's just that there's misuse. We rely on statistics for alot of things and just because you can find cases where people have misunderstood statistical data doesn't mean it's crap. Meh you are right. I just hate statistics so goddamn much There is just so much misuse. | ||
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Herculix
United States946 Posts
starcraft 2 is actually not completely random. see nokz88's post. the people who have the upper hand in knowledge and skill win more still. but the amount of skill they have is not tremendously higher like in judo, or for example, starcraft 1, because they aren't as refined as those sports. they aren't refined because there is simply a lack of experience. | ||
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
On February 03 2012 19:47 Hazzah wrote: IdrA is right this game is no way near broodwar. In SC2 lower tier player can win vs higher tier player. Some recent results are for example Gumiho vs MVP... Are you serious? Did you even watch MVP vs Gumiho match? as much as I like MVP but Gumiho outplayed MVP so hard with impressive viking play. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
A starcraft game is basically a best of 1. A tennis game is basically a bunch of best of 7s inside a bunch of best of 13s inside a best of 3 or best of 5. Dont you think the "better" player would win more often in SC2 if it was a best of 31 or whatever that would add up to? Also in the case of chess, well... I guess that's such a game that if you're better you will almost always win .-. The players have memorized most variations precisely and the gameplay in general is far more advanced there than in SC2. That one I wouldn't compare to SC2 unless you precisely talk about the early 1400-1500s chess that was more feel-based | ||
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lorkac
United States2297 Posts
Liquibet and win/loss records suggests that SC2 is as consistent as BW. Which means both Liquibets and win/loss records must be wrong. Am I right or am I wrong? | ||
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Ogww
Finland224 Posts
It's just the tournament format. | ||
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cgerrr
Ukraine47 Posts
Tl:dr: What Idra said basically "the game is shitty". | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17498 Posts
When Kyle Drabek can come out of nowhere and out pitch Roy Halladay does this mean there is a low skill ceiling for MLB Pitching.. nah. and you'll never hear Roy Halladay whine about baseball being a "shitty game" and having a low skill ceiling. I guess that is why Roy Halladay makes $20+ million and year and.... well you know the rest. | ||
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Wrathsc2
United States2025 Posts
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Knalldi
Germany50 Posts
When he has a win chance of 80%(!) in a BO3 to EVERY(!) other of the 15 players, he has a chance of winnig a 4 Round Tournament of like 35%. When said player has a bad day everything can happen... Just to throw some numbers in this discussion based on "statistics..". That said, the unpredictability of tournaments lies within the math, not the player , nor the game. Embrace the game or dont, but PLEASE dont make up wacky arguments to a not proven point of the OP. | ||
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Figgy
Canada1788 Posts
The better players will still advance more often than not, however in a BO3 it's very possible for the worse player to win. | ||
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zefreak
United States2731 Posts
My point being is that there is no evidence that sc2 is more random and thus harder to predict than other games including brood war, and yet people come into the thread, read only the op and not the following discussion, and post their theories based on the unproven assumption that the op is true! Humans are funny animals. | ||
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Caladbolg
2855 Posts
This is why Polt is still relevant. | ||
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s4life
Peru1519 Posts
On February 03 2012 19:53 zefreak wrote: How can you 'inflate' your winrate in a volatile game? Do you know what the word means? Can you teach me so I can 'inflate' my winrate in poker beyond my true winrate and make more money? Well, you can inflate your rate under any circumstances by just play against the right opposition... happens with chess quite often for example see. http://www.chessbanter.com/rec-games-chess-misc-chess/49723-how-bloodgood-did.html | ||
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s4life
Peru1519 Posts
On February 04 2012 01:28 zefreak wrote: What is happening in this thread is pretty sad. Its as if someone created a thread saying 'why are tall people so stupid?' And people respond with 'maybe gravity has some effect!', 'tall people have less schooling?', 'i think it has to do with social standards..' My point being is that there is no evidence that sc2 is more random and thus harder to predict than other games including brood war, and yet people come into the thread, read only the op and not the following discussion, and post their theories based on the unproven assumption that the op is true! Humans are funny animals. There is statistics evidence.. top players losing left and right in early stages of VERY important tournaments is damning evidence. | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
Upsets exist in all sports, all of them, even with his godliness Flash doesn´t win everything. good players lose against unknowns(Savior lost against FBH, and yeah I am still butthurt about that ), same in sports. The thing about consistency in any sport or game is that it doesn´t mean a consistent player will win everything, it means that he will do well consistently.Sports are volatile by nature and that is part of what makes them exciting. But please guys, do explain me why so few players have gotten so consistently lucky for so many tournaments, I want the secret of consistent luck. | ||
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eits
United States210 Posts
On February 04 2012 00:32 JimmyJRaynor wrote: Major League Baseball's BO7s are far more unpredictable than SC2's BO3's and Baseball has an extremely high skill ceiling. When Kyle Drabek can come out of nowhere and out pitch Roy Halladay does this mean there is a low skill ceiling for MLB Pitching.. nah. and you'll never hear Roy Halladay whine about baseball being a "shitty game" and having a low skill ceiling. I guess that is why Roy Halladay makes $20+ million and year and.... well you know the rest. Man, I've played baseball with Kyle Drabek since I was 5 years old. We are both from the Woodlands, TX, and when i was 12-14 years old he was on my tournmaent teams roster (teams have to have a national roster if they want to go to national tournies, he came to the championships with us, lol ringer much?) It is SO disapointing to see him completely fucking suck balls up there in toronto man. More walks than strikeouts, beer gut, the guy really let himself go. Hell, we were in on the save football teams growing up in jr high and high school the kid was a freak, it is funny to see how HIGH the skill ceiling is in their respected areas becasue this kid COULD NOT BE TOUCHED in our town, then hit 18, got drafted, and got a taste of how men play the game its supposed to be played and started not doing so hot. when you go to play with the big boys, you better bring your big guns | ||
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Kfcnoob
United States296 Posts
On February 02 2012 23:36 IdrA wrote: cuz its a shit game rofl | ||
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