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Gevna
France2332 Posts
On February 03 2012 01:17 wo1fwood wrote: There's a %7.4 difference in PvZ win rates between Korea and International, that's not different? Edit: oh, I didn't look at the sample size, interesting. From what I see, there is a 3.7% difference not 7.4%. Unless I'm missing something. | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
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Shiori
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Roxy
Canada753 Posts
International: All of the terran QQ vs protoss is unwarranted PvT is balanced. TvZ is balanced Muta QQ is completely warranted. The protoss were right all along. Korea: PvT is balanced. TvZ is balanced ZvP... lololol.. zerg QQ.. ya... the protosses were right | ||
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Skwid1g
United States953 Posts
On February 03 2012 01:48 Gevna wrote: From what I see, there is a 3.7% difference not 7.4%. Unless I'm missing something. Z is winning 3.7% more, P is losing 3.7% more. So there's a 7.4% difference. It's like if you have a 50/50 match-up and give 10% more to 1 side it becomes 60/40. | ||
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Aquilla
69 Posts
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Olsson
Sweden931 Posts
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
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Ziktomini
United Kingdom377 Posts
On February 02 2012 18:06 thezanursic wrote: Fuck yeah this fucking proves two things zerg is the easiest race to play and the game is pretty balance. Yeah proof.... Are you retarded? One month of results shows nothing about either of those things, if you can't see that then you do not understand how this game works. | ||
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ilikeLIONZ
Germany427 Posts
TvP and TvZ got very nice numbers! now change ZvP without affecting the other zergie matchups, and david kim has done an amazing job! | ||
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Roxy
Canada753 Posts
Mutas or Brood lord / Infestor? how bad do you think it would be if they got rid of the stupidest ability in the game: archon toilet? | ||
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Snowbear
Korea (South)1925 Posts
On February 03 2012 01:54 Roxy wrote: Interesting: International: All of the terran QQ vs protoss is unwarranted PvT is balanced. TvZ is balanced Muta QQ is completely warranted. The protoss were right all along. Korea: PvT is balanced. TvZ is balanced ZvP... lololol.. zerg QQ.. ya... the protosses were right I think if you only look at tvp macro games, you will see that it's very p favoured. Atm the graph is more close because of terran allins  | ||
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Roxy
Canada753 Posts
47.5% vs 52.5% winrate? or 45% vs 55% winrate? | ||
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Woizit
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Roxy
Canada753 Posts
On February 03 2012 02:11 Snowbear wrote: I think if you only look at tvp macro games, you will see that it's very p favoured. Atm the graph is more close because of terran allins if they could give us an interactive chart that lets us know winrates of different games at different times.. even separated by expansion timings.. i would mess myself i dont know that i have experienced such dominance in the late game as you have, but i would surely be willing to trade some late game strength in exchange for some early game strength. (or vice versa for terran) | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On February 03 2012 01:54 Roxy wrote: Interesting: International: All of the terran QQ vs protoss is unwarranted PvT is balanced. TvZ is balanced Muta QQ is completely warranted. The protoss were right all along. Korea: PvT is balanced. TvZ is balanced ZvP... lololol.. zerg QQ.. ya... the protosses were right what? so you can say that "the problem" is the mutalisk, by looking at overall winrates? The facts are: Protoss winrate in PvZ has been going down since forever, having it's worst point around the time zergs started to open 3hatch. In October Zergs started using mutalisks and the PvZ winrates went up since that month until this month. | ||
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
On February 03 2012 02:11 Roxy wrote: When blizzard said they are okay with a 5% disparity, does that mean they want: 47.5% vs 52.5% winrate? or 45% vs 55% winrate? Prolly the first one | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
I'd hope the first one. | ||
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Zamee
England51 Posts
On February 03 2012 02:11 Roxy wrote: When blizzard said they are okay with a 5% disparity, does that mean they want: 47.5% vs 52.5% winrate? or 45% vs 55% winrate? 47.5 to 52.5 | ||
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SpaceYeti
United States723 Posts
On February 03 2012 01:54 Skwid1g wrote: Z is winning 3.7% more, P is losing 3.7% more. So there's a 7.4% difference. It's like if you have a 50/50 match-up and give 10% more to 1 side it becomes 60/40. This is true. However, these values should ALWAYS been viewed in reference to the point of ideal, which is 50%. To say that Zerg wins 7.4% more than Protoss is entirely true, but it makes the imbalance appear twice as large as it actually is, because both are only 3.7% from the ideal. I'm not saying this to you in particular, but merely to remind *everyone* to consider these data in reference to the hypothetical ideal, rather than directly to each other. This data would be better if it presented match-up performances as a single bar representing deviation from 50% instead of representing match ups as two bars, one for each race. The latter makes differences appear larger than they actually are. There sure are a lot of idealists. I am fairly confident that Blizzard would be thrilled if all match-ups were within 45/55 across all regions and would consider their game balanced. Unless, of course, the same race was 45% in both it's non mirror match ups. EDIT: also, WTF with the differences in scale between the Korean and International graphs? That is shady statistical deception bullshit like none other. Fix that shit immediately. | ||
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