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On February 07 2012 04:31 AGIANTSMURF wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 04:28 Tobberoth wrote:
Anyone who can explain the point of the lock? From what I remember, it's not mentioned in the awesome league guide. I mean, I realize that during the lock, you can neither be promoted nor demoted, but your MMR is still affected... so... what's the point?
When I first heard about the lock, I thought it was incentive to make inactive people play when losses "didn't matter"... but since MMR still counts, there's really no difference other than any eventual promotion or demotion happens 1 week later. Why do they have locks at all? The purpose for it is to act as a "cooldown" period inbetween seasons, think of it like stretching or going for a walk after a good workout. This time gives players who havent been as active to spend their bonus pool and catch up with everyone else. as well as set a legitimate division ranking without players bounding up and down because of bonus pool.
I see, so pools generation stops during lock?
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I think everyone can agree that these seasons are too short. Three months was the sweet spot for season length, I hope blizzard changes it back.
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On February 07 2012 04:38 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:
I think everyone can agree that these seasons are too short. Three months was the sweet spot for season length, I hope blizzard changes it back.
Who cares? Seriously, what are the arguments against short seasons?
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Short seasons are fine, it encourages to play more often, there're more league promotions, etc.
Anyways i agree that the time flies.
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season already over wth, 7 seasons a year ???
Thought it would be 1, max 2
good they revealed the amount of points you need, now you can finally aim for something
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On February 07 2012 05:22 Rassy wrote:season already over wth, 7 seasons a year ??? Thought it would be 1, max 2 good they revealed the amount of points you need, now you can finally aim for something
You must not have been paying attention for a long time, since Blizzard announced about 6 months ago their season plan, and this is the second season that we had that lasted only 2 months.
I personally would have liked 3 months, but not more, since the longer a season lasts the more stale things become. What is important however is the increased transparency from Blizzard with regards to dates, lockouts, points needed for promotion, etc.
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Short seasons seem pretty good to me. GM will also have a little more variation.
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On February 06 2012 21:56 JOJOsc2news wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 21:43 Lorch wrote:On February 06 2012 21:40 tryteyker wrote:
Side Question; If I'm High Bronze (Rank 3), is it possible to get promoted into Gold next season, as I only have 1 placement match (afaik)? You'd have to play constantly against gold players and beat them all the time. Not true. You'd only need a 50/50 win/loss ratio against gold players. That would qualify you for Gold league. So if you keep playing well during the final week of Season 5 and are matched against Gold players a lot your MMR could be high enough to be promoted into Gold with your placement match in Season 6.
So if I right now play against Platinum, Gold, Silver, Bronze (totally random at all times), and I'd complete the placement match, I'd be in Bronze again?
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On February 07 2012 04:28 Tobberoth wrote:
Anyone who can explain the point of the lock? From what I remember, it's not mentioned in the awesome league guide. I mean, I realize that during the lock, you can neither be promoted nor demoted, but your MMR is still affected... so... what's the point?
When I first heard about the lock, I thought it was incentive to make inactive people play when losses "didn't matter"... but since MMR still counts, there's really no difference other than any eventual promotion or demotion happens 1 week later. Why do they have locks at all?
The bonus pool stops growing during the lock. It's mostly for people who haven't been as active to use up all their bonus pool, and for people to get fight it out for the top spots in their division without having to worry about someone overtaking them because of bonus pool.
On February 07 2012 05:36 tryteyker wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 21:56 JOJOsc2news wrote:On February 06 2012 21:43 Lorch wrote:On February 06 2012 21:40 tryteyker wrote:
Side Question; If I'm High Bronze (Rank 3), is it possible to get promoted into Gold next season, as I only have 1 placement match (afaik)? You'd have to play constantly against gold players and beat them all the time. Not true. You'd only need a 50/50 win/loss ratio against gold players. That would qualify you for Gold league. So if you keep playing well during the final week of Season 5 and are matched against Gold players a lot your MMR could be high enough to be promoted into Gold with your placement match in Season 6. So if I right now play against Platinum, Gold, Silver, Bronze (totally random at all times), and I'd complete the placement match, I'd be in Bronze again?
If you're playing against people in different leagues with that much variation then the system doesn't really know where to place you yet and you will probably bounce between leagues quite a lot. Just keep playing and once you've played more you'll get put in a league and be playing pretty much only people of that league unless you start winning more than 50%.
For instance, if you've played against a platinum player and won and then you stop playing until your placement you might get placed in platinum. But if you start losing to platinum and gold players the system will quickly demote you. Once you've played a lot of games it becomes harder to shift your MMR around much so promotions/demotions become less common.
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On February 07 2012 05:36 tryteyker wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 21:56 JOJOsc2news wrote:On February 06 2012 21:43 Lorch wrote:On February 06 2012 21:40 tryteyker wrote:
Side Question; If I'm High Bronze (Rank 3), is it possible to get promoted into Gold next season, as I only have 1 placement match (afaik)? You'd have to play constantly against gold players and beat them all the time. Not true. You'd only need a 50/50 win/loss ratio against gold players. That would qualify you for Gold league. So if you keep playing well during the final week of Season 5 and are matched against Gold players a lot your MMR could be high enough to be promoted into Gold with your placement match in Season 6. So if I right now play against Platinum, Gold, Silver, Bronze (totally random at all times), and I'd complete the placement match, I'd be in Bronze again?
Sounds like you have a really unstable MMR, which might very well lead you to get placed in bronze again. You're only promoted once your MMR stabilizes in a higher league. So you basically need to win at least over 50% of your matches against silver and win more or less every game against bronze so that it stabilizes in silver or higher.
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On February 07 2012 05:36 tryteyker wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2012 21:56 JOJOsc2news wrote:On February 06 2012 21:43 Lorch wrote:On February 06 2012 21:40 tryteyker wrote:
Side Question; If I'm High Bronze (Rank 3), is it possible to get promoted into Gold next season, as I only have 1 placement match (afaik)? You'd have to play constantly against gold players and beat them all the time. Not true. You'd only need a 50/50 win/loss ratio against gold players. That would qualify you for Gold league. So if you keep playing well during the final week of Season 5 and are matched against Gold players a lot your MMR could be high enough to be promoted into Gold with your placement match in Season 6. So if I right now play against Platinum, Gold, Silver, Bronze (totally random at all times), and I'd complete the placement match, I'd be in Bronze again?
If you're looking at 1v1, pay attention to who those players have been playing recently (poll their match histories).
If you're looking at team games, make sure you're looking at the actual team you faced rather than their highest rated team.
In either case, you'll notice a trend which will allow you to gauge the quality of players you face, and by extension where you are. That is, a Bronze who plays Golds is pretty much a Gold or Silver who hasn't been promoted yet. After enough data points you'll get the information you need.
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so it is the 7th again? even though this thread says the 14th but the blizz link says the 7th?
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On February 07 2012 12:07 Wi)nD wrote:
so it is the 7th again? even though this thread says the 14th but the blizz link says the 7th?
Locks on the 7th. New season starts the 14th (unlocks).
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I don't mind the shorter seasons, as long as there are map pool changes. Otherwise I'd prefer to do 3 month season with each one having map pool changes.
Anything longer then that is too long on the same map pool and to long for GM.
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On February 02 2012 04:00 iNcontroL wrote:
here is to hoping they figure out GM league and stop fucking it up.
Meh, ladder doesn't matter. As long as MMR works who cares?
I look forward to seeing what map changes they choose.
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On February 07 2012 23:45 ZionsWrath wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2012 04:00 iNcontroL wrote:
here is to hoping they figure out GM league and stop fucking it up. Meh, ladder doesn't matter. As long as MMR works who cares? I look forward to seeing what map changes they choose.
I mostly agree with that but still, if Blizzard is going to to include a GM division it might as well function. :p
Also, I wasn't aware there would be any map changes. Did they announce this/do they do that every new season? I honestly can't even remember.
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BELSHIR BEACH.BELSHIR BEACH. BELSHIR BEACH.
Please? Or Dual Sight. Or any GSL map. And remove XelNaga Caverns por favor.
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I'd love to see Belshir Beach (especially the Winter version).
Is there any chance of seeing 3 month seasons return? I feel like 2 months is too short.
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On February 08 2012 01:12 Rapture_FBGM wrote:
I'd love to see Belshir Beach (especially the Winter version).
Is there any chance of seeing 3 month seasons return? I feel like 2 months is too short.
Or maybe they introduce a spring version of Belshir Beach with added destructible rocks.
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On February 08 2012 01:20 Seiniyta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 01:12 Rapture_FBGM wrote:
I'd love to see Belshir Beach (especially the Winter version).
Is there any chance of seeing 3 month seasons return? I feel like 2 months is too short. Or maybe they introduce a spring version of Belshir Beach with added destructible rocks.
IMO, a fall version would be the coolest. I'd rather see that than a Spring version. Belshir Beach Autumn would be a great map.
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