Each new ladder season, we see a large amount of questions on the community forums asking, “What do I need to do to earn a League promotion?” Therefore, to better answer that question and bring about some additional transparency, we’ve put together some information to shed a little light on it. One way to almost guarantee a promotion by next season is to earn the number of division ladder points given in the corresponding table entry below by February 7, in anticipation of a February 14 Season roll. (ate subject to change.) Q: Is this the only way to be promoted?
A: No, this is just one fairly reliable way. Some players may be promoted before reaching this number, and a rare few may remain in their current league after reaching the value. This rare few can expect a within-season promotion if they maintain their skill level during the next season. Q: How do I get my points that high?
A: The only way to get this high is to win more than you lose for a sustained period of time. For example, if you look at your match history and have won at least 12 of your last 20 games, you’re on the right track, keep it up!
It seems like blizzard is staying consistent with the season length's, Season's 4 and 5 have each been exactly 56 days (8 weeks) in length
Hopefully they will have GM function properly when it re-opens up Feb. 21st
I just hope they add some community maps finally. Long time ago they added map that looked almost like Tal'Darim, but now it seems more like: we gave you community map so fck off. :S
The only exciting part about season locks is the potential for new maps. The sad part about season locks is the harsh reality that there probably wont be any, or the new maps will be Arid Plateau.
Didn't managed to play a 1v1 game this season as of now - should i play at least one to maintain master? Is 1v1 really linked to random MMR like the TL wiki suggests? Thought about resetting my MMR but played some random 4v4 and 3v3 ^^
On February 02 2012 04:00 iNcontroL wrote: here is to hoping they figure out GM league and stop fucking it up.
like that'll ever happen you see maps like arid plateau and you realize blizz dont give a fuck what the community wants
either that or they are just incompetent
Blizzard likes putting in 1 shitty and 1 decent map per season.
So we will see Crossfire/Dual sight + Daybreak next season? Oh, daybreak would be so awesome...
Damn, I need to get at least 400 points for a promotion.
Calm before the Storm. The massive macro map that that silve and gold league are not ready for. It will be horrible in a totally different way that steps of war. 45 minute games filled with carriers vs mass hydras and ultras.
They could...remove tal-darim(sheids head) and replace it with any of the other GSL macro maps. As a protoss, I like ramps for my PvP and hate mutas.
On February 02 2012 04:00 iNcontroL wrote: here is to hoping they figure out GM league and stop fucking it up.
like that'll ever happen you see maps like arid plateau and you realize blizz dont give a fuck what the community wants
either that or they are just incompetent
Blizzard likes putting in 1 shitty and 1 decent map per season.
So we will see Crossfire/Dual sight + Daybreak next season? Oh, daybreak would be so awesome...
Damn, I need to get at least 400 points for a promotion.
Calm before the Storm. The massive macro map that that silve and gold league are not ready for. It will be horrible in a totally different way that steps of war. 45 minute games filled with carriers vs mass hydras and ultras.
They could...remove tal-darim(sheids head) and replace it with any of the other GSL macro maps. As a protoss, I like ramps for my PvP and hate mutas.
Daybreak sound like something that would fit the ladder at any level perfectly.
Am I wrong, or is there something that happens if you have fewer than five wins in a season (like MMR reset or something)? I only have 4 wins right now, too many customs :<
Damn, that came sooner than I expected. 2 months feels too short, IMO. 3 months would be ideal. 400 points to make it into Platinum. I'm not sure I will make it even with a couple of long ladder sessions in the works for the weekend. Still, I may as well give it a go and at least get close. Only problem is the cheese play on ladder tends to spike at this time. Ah well.
The seasons are the perfect length, If you haven't had time to play in 2 months, then will you have time to play in 3? or 4? And can't you play next season anyway? It's not like they're shutting down the game.
I love this new length because it means that I'm much more likely to be consistently playing for 2 seasons in a row, so I can compare my progress and try to play more than last season. This season I've won 196 games and I'm going to be shooting for more than that next season. But If the season were 4 months long I'd be trying to beat a much higher number and I'd probably burn out faster.
Blizzard have said themselves that people play more at the start of a new season, I know that is true for me and if it's true for everyone else then more seasons means more players and more games.
I know this is said a million and one times but they seriously need to put the most common tournament maps in the map pool. Also they need to figure out the GM league placements and quick!
Seasons are a bit short nowadays :/ Interesting to see some official descriptions of the boundaries between the leagues. Just hoping that they actually fix the promotion/demotion system between Master and GM, because at the moment it's so broken and abusable
I think having such short seasons takes away from the beauty of ladder. I'm not a pro player, I'm competitive and I want to get top of my division in gold, but that's virtually impossible with the current season length because I don't have as much time to play as the top in my league. :S I don't know, maybe I'd be open to a 4 month period instead of a 2 month...
On February 02 2012 04:23 Panthae wrote: I think having such short seasons takes away from the beauty of ladder. I'm not a pro player, I'm competitive and I want to get top of my division in gold, but that's virtually impossible with the current season length because I don't have as much time to play as the top in my league. :S I don't know, maybe I'd be open to a 4 month period instead of a 2 month...
So the person in your league who plays more than you gets to the top, why is that a bad thing?
In a 4 month season, if someone plays a lot in the first 2 months then what's stopping him from playing a lot in the 3rd and 4th months. If you think you can get to the top by playing a lot in the 3rd and 4th months without playing in the 1st and 2nd then you're implying that you, someone who hasn't been able to play much this month is going to be able play twice as much as someone who by your own admission plays a lot. Which is what you would need to do to get to the top off the ladder over a 4 months season.
If you can play more in 4 months than you can in 2, then why don't you just accept your low rank in this season and aim for a great rank next season. It's still the same 4 months period so you should be able to do it no problem.
Imo, If you're life stops you from playing SC2 a lot or stops you from playing a lot some months but not others, you should be happy about their being shorter seasons because it means that every 2 months you get a chance to start off on an even footing with people who played a lot more than you last season.
Good for me, my goal was to keep my bonus pool on 0, but I switched to Darkgrid mid-season and stopped playing for too long. This next season, people will get destroyed.
On February 02 2012 04:09 Excalibur_Z wrote: Looks like the same thresholds as last season. The populations must not have shifted very dramatically from last season.
I hope the replace metalopolis with metropolis and add in Cloud kingdom so much. Shattered a XelNaga is old and boring... >< Also remove gold bases plz.
I am amused by everyone playing their hearts out to get a promotion...My goal is to avoid demotion at this point as I keep playing people in the league under me.
would love for one season to see blizzard to have a poll and give every bnet account like 6 or so votes then have a community map pool based off the results
On February 02 2012 05:02 neo_sporin wrote: I am amused by everyone playing their hearts out to get a promotion...My goal is to avoid demotion at this point as I keep playing people in the league under me.
For the duration of the season not under lock the normal rules of promotion/demotion holds, i.e. the moving average of your MMR will have to push through the "buffer" zone to be promoted/demoted.
Your initial match, however, will directly place you into the league where your MMR lies. So chances are, you're gonna get demoted next season on your first game (unless you start winning more).
I was planning on playing serious during Season 5, then messing around with pure mech in all matchups in Season 6, then returning to Random in Season 7. However, I may have to revise these plans to be more long-term considering how short these seasons are.
On February 02 2012 04:07 monx wrote: imo the seasons are too short now
why does it even matter how long seasons are? not like ur hidden ranking gets reset
It does actually in 1v1... if you skip a season. So you have to play at least one game every 8 weeks.
It doesn't reset, it just gives you 5 placement matches instead of 1. You'll still be matched against people around your previous MMR.
I'm pretty sure that's not correct. I believe your MMR goes to what would it be if it were a brand new account when that happens.
Nah, I skipped 2 seasons and still played golds immediately. Was placed in platinum even though I lost several games.
Then, it's impossible for you to tell, as the 5 placement games of a brand new account can easily place you into gold.
Edit: Although it's _possible_ to be placed into master league with just the first 5 placement matches of a brand new account, it's highly unlikely. (Since not only would you need to win, you'll need to be lucky with your opponents.) So good evidence of an MMR reset or lack thereof can only be seen for master leaguers who skip a season.
while many gsl and tournament maps are somehow too complicated etc for new players, i believe that daybreak is a great map for all leagues and should find a place in the ladder pool.
On February 02 2012 04:17 corpuscle wrote: Am I wrong, or is there something that happens if you have fewer than five wins in a season (like MMR reset or something)? I only have 4 wins right now, too many customs :<
... No... nothing "special" will happen to your account.
The only "special" case is if you don't play a single game.
On February 02 2012 05:17 Tuthur wrote: I hate short seasons, why isn't Blizzard listening to the community, the majority would like seasons at least a bit longer...
They shortened the seasons because their data show that players tend to be more active near the beginning of a season.
They speculated that when a player becomes inactive during the middle of a season, he's less likely to come back because his bonus pool accummulated too much to let him catch up to the rest of his division.
Plus, a ladder reset makes it easier to be promoted/demoted ("buffer" zone not taken into consideration).
On February 02 2012 05:17 Tuthur wrote: I hate short seasons, why isn't Blizzard listening to the community, the majority would like seasons at least a bit longer...
The community wanted shorter seasons 2 seasons ago, but people like to complain. Nothing will ever be good enough. If you don't like 2 month seasons then that's fine but it isn't Blizzards fault.
I doubt they will reverse their decision anyway because they told us that more people play at the start of a season than at the end and more people playing is better financially for them.
On February 02 2012 05:27 Atoissen wrote: I like the length of the season, I just hope they will always change some of the maps.
I dont think there is anyone who havent vetoed Arid!? Gett it away!! TLMC maps and even Daybreak please
I haven't.. But i'm not at a level where it makes a difference.
I think ladder season length is all right. Probably I'll be gold nex season, because I'm playing against high gold. I think this is a pretty decent indicator of where you stand. (Correct me if I'm wrong; 25ish games played: 350 points, promoted to gold this season).
On February 02 2012 05:17 Tuthur wrote: I hate short seasons, why isn't Blizzard listening to the community, the majority would like seasons at least a bit longer...
The community wanted shorter seasons 2 seasons ago, but people like to complain. Nothing will ever be good enough. If you don't like 2 month seasons then that's fine but it isn't Blizzards fault.
I doubt they will reverse their decision anyway because they told us that more people play at the start of a season than at the end and more people playing is better financially for them.
Or maybe people complained back then because 6 months/season is really long and now because 2 months/season is really short. If only there was a number between 6 and 2, then our problems would be solved..
1400 for GM... I'm closer than I thought. TBH I've been totally satisfied with the map pool this season, with the single exception of pvp tal'darim. Can't they just make no changes to the map and add a high ground 1 hex ramp to the main? This wouldn't really affect the other matchups that dramatically...
On February 02 2012 04:09 Excalibur_Z wrote: Looks like the same thresholds as last season. The populations must not have shifted very dramatically from last season.
"Looks"? How can you see the MMR?
Can't see MMR, but the thresholds that define the leagues as illustrated by points in Blizzard's table are the same as last season. Therefore, the MMR boundaries must also be the same as last season.
On February 02 2012 04:09 Excalibur_Z wrote: Looks like the same thresholds as last season. The populations must not have shifted very dramatically from last season.
"Looks"? How can you see the MMR?
Can't see MMR, but the thresholds that define the leagues as illustrated by points in Blizzard's table are the same as last season. Therefore, the MMR boundaries must also be the same as last season.
On February 02 2012 05:17 Tuthur wrote: I hate short seasons, why isn't Blizzard listening to the community, the majority would like seasons at least a bit longer...
The community wanted shorter seasons 2 seasons ago, but people like to complain. Nothing will ever be good enough. If you don't like 2 month seasons then that's fine but it isn't Blizzards fault.
I doubt they will reverse their decision anyway because they told us that more people play at the start of a season than at the end and more people playing is better financially for them.
Or maybe people complained back then because 6 months/season is really long and now because 2 months/season is really short. If only there was a number between 6 and 2, then our problems would be solved..
On February 02 2012 04:00 iNcontroL wrote: here is to hoping they figure out GM league and stop fucking it up.
like that'll ever happen you see maps like arid plateau and you realize blizz dont give a fuck what the community wants
either that or they are just incompetent
I have an idea, let's all bitch and moan all day every day... But then still play the game... If you don't like it, don't play.
I know I played about 50 games this season, if the maps would have been not trash I might have played like 150-200. How many more people would have done that also?
Just because we play a game does not mean we can bitch and moan about horrible maps.
I'm a bit confused as to why they roll over the seasons as much as they do. Can't they just rotate the maps once in a while and only change the seasons when a balance patch comes along?
So if I understand this correctly, if you want to get promoted from Diamond to Masters (very likely) you just have to get over 900 ladder points before the lock on the 7th?
On February 02 2012 04:00 iNcontroL wrote: here is to hoping they figure out GM league and stop fucking it up.
like that'll ever happen you see maps like arid plateau and you realize blizz dont give a fuck what the community wants
either that or they are just incompetent
I have an idea, let's all bitch and moan all day every day... But then still play the game... If you don't like it, don't play.
I know I played about 50 games this season, if the maps would have been not trash I might have played like 150-200. How many more people would have done that also?
Just because we play a game does not mean we can bitch and moan about horrible maps.
You payed for the game, no? Then Blizzard gets paid regardless, I'm sorry you don't like the maps but there are plenty of user made maps that are amazing that you can play custom games if you don't like the ladder maps.
On February 02 2012 04:07 monx wrote: imo the seasons are too short now
why does it even matter how long seasons are? not like ur hidden ranking gets reset
It does actually in 1v1... if you skip a season. So you have to play at least one game every 8 weeks.
It doesn't reset, it just gives you 5 placement matches instead of 1. You'll still be matched against people around your previous MMR.
I'm pretty sure that's not correct. I believe your MMR goes to what would it be if it were a brand new account when that happens.
Nah, I skipped 2 seasons and still played golds immediately. Was placed in platinum even though I lost several games.
Then, it's impossible for you to tell, as the 5 placement games of a brand new account can easily place you into gold.
Edit: Although it's _possible_ to be placed into master league with just the first 5 placement matches of a brand new account, it's highly unlikely. (Since not only would you need to win, you'll need to be lucky with your opponents.) So good evidence of an MMR reset or lack thereof can only be seen for master leaguers who skip a season.
Point was that the first time I played my placements, I was matched against bronze, why would the game start by sending you against gold players, it makes no sense.
On February 02 2012 04:00 iNcontroL wrote: here is to hoping they figure out GM league and stop fucking it up.
like that'll ever happen you see maps like arid plateau and you realize blizz dont give a fuck what the community wants
either that or they are just incompetent
I have an idea, let's all bitch and moan all day every day... But then still play the game... If you don't like it, don't play.
I know I played about 50 games this season, if the maps would have been not trash I might have played like 150-200. How many more people would have done that also?
Just because we play a game does not mean we can bitch and moan about horrible maps.
You payed for the game, no? Then Blizzard gets paid regardless, I'm sorry you don't like the maps but there are plenty of user made maps that are amazing that you can play custom games if you don't like the ladder maps.
Actually due to the horrible popularity system playing said maps is borderline impossible.
Also you missed the point. Blizzard (and companies like Blizzard) like be be able to make statements like "over 20 million games were played on Battle.net last month!" (or w/e, random number) and that number could be higher.
On February 02 2012 05:17 Tuthur wrote: I hate short seasons, why isn't Blizzard listening to the community, the majority would like seasons at least a bit longer...
They speculated that when a player becomes inactive during the middle of a season, he's less likely to come back because his bonus pool accummulated too much to let him catch up to the rest of his division.
that doesn't make any sense an accumulated pool would make it much easier for a player to catch up to others on the ladder!
I would love if the could implement different maps for different leagues, small and easy for bronze, and the a little bigger and more complicated for each league you go up, (with sufficiant overlap of course) that way everybody would be happy :D
I didn't like overly long seasons, but these season are just TOO short. Something in the middle would be more appropriate and I believe most of the community would agree, but Blizzard probably won't listen.
On February 02 2012 04:00 iNcontroL wrote: here is to hoping they figure out GM league and stop fucking it up.
like that'll ever happen you see maps like arid plateau and you realize blizz dont give a fuck what the community wants
either that or they are just incompetent
Blizzard likes putting in 1 shitty and 1 decent map per season.
Speaking of the map pool, is Xel Naga Caverns going be gone? Hopefully. Along with Arid Plateau. And I agree that the seasons are way too short now. I'd like to see 4 month seasons.
This season has been a real eye opener for me, instead of trying to play perfect all the time, I just though...what the heck, and just played risky, and straight up and I have come on leaps and bounds, got a promotion and now topping the new league.
On February 02 2012 04:00 iNcontroL wrote: here is to hoping they figure out GM league and stop fucking it up.
like that'll ever happen you see maps like arid plateau and you realize blizz dont give a fuck what the community wants
either that or they are just incompetent
I have an idea, let's all bitch and moan all day every day... But then still play the game... If you don't like it, don't play.
I know I played about 50 games this season, if the maps would have been not trash I might have played like 150-200. How many more people would have done that also?
Just because we play a game does not mean we can bitch and moan about horrible maps.
You payed for the game, no? Then Blizzard gets paid regardless, I'm sorry you don't like the maps but there are plenty of user made maps that are amazing that you can play custom games if you don't like the ladder maps.
Actually due to the horrible popularity system playing said maps is borderline impossible.
Also you missed the point. Blizzard (and companies like Blizzard) like be be able to make statements like "over 20 million games were played on Battle.net last month!" (or w/e, random number) and that number could be higher.
They could fix the popularity system to cater for user made maps (GSL maps) and league balance, so make it that you join a game with a player from your league, otherwise it puts you in empty map lobby until someone from your league joins. They wouldn't do that though because they want people to ladder and play their shitty map pool.
On February 02 2012 04:00 iNcontroL wrote: here is to hoping they figure out GM league and stop fucking it up.
like that'll ever happen you see maps like arid plateau and you realize blizz dont give a fuck what the community wants
either that or they are just incompetent
Blizzard likes putting in 1 shitty and 1 decent map per season.
Speaking of the map pool, is Xel Naga Caverns going be gone? Hopefully. Along with Arid Plateau. And I agree that the seasons are way too short now. I'd like to see 4 month seasons.
On February 02 2012 06:31 TRnoSki wrote: This season has been a real eye opener for me, instead of trying to play perfect all the time, I just though...what the heck, and just played risky, and straight up and I have come on leaps and bounds, got a promotion and now topping the new league.
dang the seasons feel too short, althought new maps are a good incentive to not whine about short seasons. hopefully if we rotate the maps quick enough they will run out of shitty blizz maps to use and they will have to turn to community maps :D
you guys ready for another season of a broken GM leauge?
On February 02 2012 04:00 Noocta wrote: Hopefully this mean new maps. :D I'm getting a bit tired of playing on shattered temple or Xen'naga cavern.
Hopefully they realize that Gomtv makes all the decent maps, and just replace their entire map pool with those.
You never took a look at the Tl map contest / the various Map of the month tournaments did you ? I suggest that you do, because gom isn't the only source of good maps out here.
On February 02 2012 04:00 iNcontroL wrote: here is to hoping they figure out GM league and stop fucking it up.
like that'll ever happen you see maps like arid plateau and you realize blizz dont give a fuck what the community wants
either that or they are just incompetent
Blizzard likes putting in 1 shitty and 1 decent map per season.
Speaking of the map pool, is Xel Naga Caverns going be gone? Hopefully. Along with Arid Plateau. And I agree that the seasons are way too short now. I'd like to see 4 month seasons.
Kind of disappointed with the league locks happening so quickly. Nothing worse than being stuck on the top of your league, about to get promoted when BAM! suddenly you're stuck in that league for another 2 weeks.
Good maybe now i'll get off my ass about race switching and stop playing LoL and start practicing protoss, i couldnt be bothered using teamgames to learn all my hotkeys, playing againsnt noobs learning hotkeys too is the way to go !
Platinum terran R.I.P
BRONZE PROTOSS FTW!
For clarification, getting my ass owned by plat players while playing protoss would have made me rage and just play terran to beast mode them :-D I dont use Grid so the hotkey setups arent similar
I think the map pool is perfect, and blizzard is never going to put in only gsl maps. All gsl maps were created in the mind set of "macro macro macro" but that's not what blizz wants. They want a DIVERSE map pool, so can we fucking get over it already?
the map pool is perfectly fine, so fine that even GSL is using some blizzard maps. Just veto the shit ones.
On February 02 2012 04:00 iNcontroL wrote: here is to hoping they figure out GM league and stop fucking it up.
hah u just put the word "hoping" and "GM league" pertaining to blizzard to blizzard fixing something. Not gonna happen :D j/k but guess a little faith doesnt hurt... COME ON BLIZZARD! :D
On February 02 2012 06:53 Capped wrote: Good maybe now i'll get off my ass about race switching and stop playing LoL and start practicing protoss, i couldnt be bothered using teamgames to learn all my hotkeys, playing againsnt noobs learning hotkeys too is the way to go !
Platinum terran R.I.P
BRONZE PROTOSS FTW!
I got a smurf account to learn another race. Protoss was boring so I went with zerg which I'd never touch, MAN is it easy :D I was like 'omg I'm gonna be gold or something and I'll just have to use superior tactics and mechanics to win while I learn what to do with this race'.
Then I found out that I could lose my whole army and remax INSTANTLY on roaches in ZvP (and then they get blink and that stops working -_-) and learned an easy roach/ling timing for ZvZ and so far I'm sticking it out in diamond. ZvT though...haven't quite got the hang of that. I was like 'oooh THIS is how it feels to kill off a big army then still have a billion marines to deal with'.
Yay the account I left unplaced for a season will reset and I can use it again. Also, I really hope the map pool changes, though only if it's for the better (perhaps GSL maps or something). I'm sick of Shattered Temple, Xel'Naga (though it's vetoed), etc. but I would still take them over some of the Blizzard maps released recently (Arid Plateau).
On February 02 2012 04:00 iNcontroL wrote: here is to hoping they figure out GM league and stop fucking it up.
like that'll ever happen you see maps like arid plateau and you realize blizz dont give a fuck what the community wants
either that or they are just incompetent
Blizzard likes putting in 1 shitty and 1 decent map per season.
Speaking of the map pool, is Xel Naga Caverns going be gone? Hopefully. Along with Arid Plateau. And I agree that the seasons are way too short now. I'd like to see 4 month seasons.
I actually like the shorter seasons, especially if they switch up the map pool at the end/start of the seasons, keeps it fresh imo
I don't quite understand if these people who apparently enjoy smaller maps exist, I am in gold league, and me and some of my other terrible friends that I met on ladder play customs, we play daybreak, calm before the storm, Tal'Darim etc...
On February 02 2012 07:49 NexUmbra wrote: I don't quite understand if these people who apparently enjoy smaller maps exist, I am in gold league, and me and some of my other terrible friends that I met on ladder play customs, we play daybreak, calm before the storm, Tal'Darim etc...
Because the majority of SC2 players don't surf TL or watch competitive gaming.
-new maps (get rid of Arid plateau please..) -no more gold minerals (makes maps like XNC/Metal much much more balanced) -season length extended back to three months (new season every quarter feels the most right) -fix the results disagree hack
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I feel like the ladder seasons are too damn short! 3 months was the sweet spot for when maps started getting tedious and needed to be switched out.
On February 02 2012 08:51 NinjaTrout wrote: well it was fun being in diamond for 1 season T_T i have a feeling i will drop at the start of next season.
Don't be worried about your ranking on ladder. The difference in skill between a diamond level player and a plat player is negligible. The only real measuring stick is for players that have reached masters.
They just make the seasons short to keep people interested... there's something about a new season and a fresh start that makes laddering a little less of a grind.
On February 02 2012 04:00 iNcontroL wrote: here is to hoping they figure out GM league and stop fucking it up.
like that'll ever happen you see maps like arid plateau and you realize blizz dont give a fuck what the community wants
either that or they are just incompetent
i like how you took exactly those 50% of the new maps that are not already used in tournaments arround the world, gj there ^.^
also in general if there's an automated system there are likely ways to abuse it, can't help it, i wouldn't say that a ladder system that is abusable is a sign for their makers not caring about the community.
On February 02 2012 09:34 imyzhang wrote: man first season was way too fucking long, now they make seasons way too fucking short -_- ugh... i wish they'd make it quarterly...
why does it matter at all?
Shorter seasons just means better chance of new maps. Whether you have 400 points or 1200 points doesn't mean a damn thing.
edit: unless i guess you're looking for a promotion, but your mmr stays the same so it's still not a big deal
On February 02 2012 04:00 iNcontroL wrote: here is to hoping they figure out GM league and stop fucking it up.
like that'll ever happen you see maps like arid plateau and you realize blizz dont give a fuck what the community wants
either that or they are just incompetent
Arid plateau isn't that bad o.o it's pretty creative at least. If they didn't give a fuck they probably wouldn't have put in a 2 player map but a 4 player one instead.
On February 02 2012 09:07 Plexa wrote: I have high hopes for the maps next season
REALLY? I'm hyped for the new season/maps now xD
Oh and I'm looking forward to blizz fixing those GFX problems with the shader still... when it freezes over and over. Hard to play seriously with that happening.
What i don't understand is why blizzard establish a system where users can vote from a set of like 20 or so user maps used in tournaments (i.e. Daybreak, Cloud kingdom, etc.), which can determine a majority of maps used in the map pool, and the remaining two or three can be blizzard generated maps?
On February 02 2012 09:14 Jedclark wrote: Hopefully Xelnaga, Shattered, Arid Plateau and Tal'Darim are removed, in lieu of maps like Cloud Kingdom, Calm before the Storm, as well as new maps.
On February 02 2012 09:14 Jedclark wrote: Hopefully Xelnaga, Shattered, Arid Plateau and Tal'Darim are removed, in lieu of maps like Cloud Kingdom, Calm before the Storm, as well as new maps.
Taldarim is good. What's wrong with TDA?
Never played pvp hey?
I hope Xel and Metal are finally put down. Please god, give us salvation
On February 02 2012 09:14 Jedclark wrote: Hopefully Xelnaga, Shattered, Arid Plateau and Tal'Darim are removed, in lieu of maps like Cloud Kingdom, Calm before the Storm, as well as new maps.
Taldarim is good. What's wrong with TDA?
Never played pvp hey?
I hope Xel and Metal are finally put down. Please god, give us salvation
It's great in every other matchup though. PvP shouldn't ruin it for everyone.
On February 02 2012 09:47 archonOOid wrote: my wish list for season 6:
new maps better maps GSL maps bigger map pool
better ladder system better achievements better ladder system
what? there is nothing wrong with the ladder system.. sure GM might be a mess according to some, and it probably is, but the match making in itself works like a charm.
On February 02 2012 10:26 AdrianHealey wrote: New Map Pool:
- Ohana Re - ESV Cloud Kingdom - Daybreak - Entombed Valley - Metropolis - Antiga Shipyard - DualSight - TPW Vulture - ESV Sanshorn Mist
Would love that but it won't happen.
I think it's probably better for them just to swap 2/3 out and put 2/3 in. People probably don't want to learn an entire new map set, although I wouldn't be too bothered.
On February 02 2012 10:26 AdrianHealey wrote: New Map Pool:
- Ohana Re - ESV Cloud Kingdom - Daybreak - Entombed Valley - Metropolis - Antiga Shipyard - DualSight - TPW Vulture - ESV Sanshorn Mist
Would love that but it won't happen.
I think it's probably better for them just to swap 2/3 out and put 2/3 in. People probably don't want to learn an entire new map set, although I wouldn't be too bothered.
I am not sure who this 'people' is you talk about. Most people on ladder on a level that they do not really 'adapt' to the map. And the people that really are on a level that adapt to the map, probably have heard of these maps/have played them.
On February 02 2012 04:23 Panthae wrote: I think having such short seasons takes away from the beauty of ladder. I'm not a pro player, I'm competitive and I want to get top of my division in gold, but that's virtually impossible with the current season length because I don't have as much time to play as the top in my league. :S I don't know, maybe I'd be open to a 4 month period instead of a 2 month...
That doesn't make sense... No matter how long the ladder will be those players will still be far on top... If that season was longer, they'd get way more points than you, possibly worse than the current one... Unless you mean you don't even have time to finish your bonus pool ? If that's the case, then i'm not sure you'd want to play ladder at all :/ Better stick for tournaments and such.
On February 02 2012 04:00 iNcontroL wrote: here is to hoping they figure out GM league and stop fucking it up.
like that'll ever happen you see maps like arid plateau and you realize blizz dont give a fuck what the community wants
either that or they are just incompetent
Doesn't matter. They purposely make maps "imbalanced" so the lower level players can find them more entertaining to play on. Imagine as a new player, you play on a long map each time with a lot of expansions. It can be quite intimidating. So they incorporate maps like Arid Plateau in order to make it fun for all. If you dont like a map, you have veto checks because higher level people dont like short rush distances (save teran) But lower level players like to "rush", it seems. So yeah, if you are higher level then you have veto checks to cross off the shitty maps, but you can cross out the long rush distances if you are a lower player. But, as it turns out, even the pro maps arent that good. Taldarim is a bit suck-ish. As a Zerg player I can say that. You cant get brood lords on that map. Anyway, maybe the maps will get balanced as time goes on but there will always be 1-3 maps that are purposely imba.
On February 02 2012 10:26 AdrianHealey wrote: New Map Pool:
- Ohana Re - ESV Cloud Kingdom - Daybreak - Entombed Valley - Metropolis - Antiga Shipyard - DualSight - TPW Vulture - ESV Sanshorn Mist
Would love that but it won't happen.
I think it's probably better for them just to swap 2/3 out and put 2/3 in. People probably don't want to learn an entire new map set, although I wouldn't be too bothered.
I am not sure who this 'people' is you talk about. Most people on ladder on a level that they do not really 'adapt' to the map. And the people that really are on a level that adapt to the map, probably have heard of these maps/have played them.
I agree it won't happen though. /sad.
Everyone gold and above adapts to maps to some degree and some players who are below that.
People like to play on maps they're familiar with, some change is nice but most players do not want an entirely new map pool every season.
On February 02 2012 10:26 AdrianHealey wrote: New Map Pool:
- Ohana Re - ESV Cloud Kingdom - Daybreak - Entombed Valley - Metropolis - Antiga Shipyard - DualSight - TPW Vulture - ESV Sanshorn Mist
Would love that but it won't happen.
I think it's probably better for them just to swap 2/3 out and put 2/3 in. People probably don't want to learn an entire new map set, although I wouldn't be too bothered.
I am not sure who this 'people' is you talk about. Most people on ladder on a level that they do not really 'adapt' to the map. And the people that really are on a level that adapt to the map, probably have heard of these maps/have played them.
I agree it won't happen though. /sad.
Everyone gold and above adapts to maps to some degree and some players who are below that.
People like to play on maps they're familiar with, some change is nice but most players do not want an entirely new map pool every season.
I am at mid-high/high (depends on the day) platinum Zerg (Eu) and I don't adapt 'that' much - I feel? What do you mean by adapt? Obviously; go fast 3 hatch against FFE protoss is different on Tal Darim/Shattered than on Metalapolis/Antiga Shipyard; is that what you mean? What kind of adaptations do you mean?
But still; two old maps remain. :p
I seriously think you overstate the level of adaptness in platinum/gold. Maybe in platinum a bit, but in gold?
On February 02 2012 11:19 AdrianHealey wrote: Technically, they do not have to ask for permission. All maps on bnet are the complete intellectual property of Blizzard.
They will probably do so, out of politeness. And maybe the original creators were asked to not tell anyone?
On February 02 2012 11:17 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: actually since cloud kingdom is 2 players i can see them putting in cloud kingdom for xel'naga
(but would they need to ask for permission to use cloud kingdom first? if so, its creator would probably tell us they are going to put it in right?)
I'm pretty sure the creators won't actually announce anything until the actual map pool comes out. It was like that with LSPrime's Tal'darim Altar, although I believe they did ask for his permission first.
On February 02 2012 11:38 AdrianHealey wrote: There were a lot of rumours, though. If I remember correctly, the rumour was actually spread that they were going to use terminus?
Hm can you share where you heard this or got the impression of that? I wonder why terminus. GSL doesn't even use that anymore =/. I think daybreak would make much more sense, plus it's not a 4 player map.
On February 02 2012 11:17 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: actually since cloud kingdom is 2 players i can see them putting in cloud kingdom for xel'naga
(but would they need to ask for permission to use cloud kingdom first? if so, its creator would probably tell us they are going to put it in right?)
I'm pretty sure the creators won't actually announce anything until the actual map pool comes out. It was like that with LSPrime's Tal'darim Altar, although I believe they did ask for his permission first.
Ah, ok thanks. Yeah I do remember they asked his permission first.
On February 02 2012 11:17 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: actually since cloud kingdom is 2 players i can see them putting in cloud kingdom for xel'naga
(but would they need to ask for permission to use cloud kingdom first? if so, its creator would probably tell us they are going to put it in right?)
I'm pretty sure the creators won't actually announce anything until the actual map pool comes out. It was like that with LSPrime's Tal'darim Altar, although I believe they did ask for his permission first.
Ah, ok thanks. Yeah I do remember they asked his permission first.
On February 02 2012 11:38 AdrianHealey wrote: There were a lot of rumours, though. If I remember correctly, the rumour was actually spread that they were going to use terminus?
Hm can you share where you heard this or got the impression of that? I wonder why terminus. GSL doesn't even use that anymore =/. I think daybreak would make much more sense, plus it's not a 4 player map.
Stuf got mixed up: at the time when they announced that Tal Darim was going to be part of the map pool, I sort of remember - but am not sure - that the community 'knew' that they were going to use a non-blizzard map and, again if I remember correctly, I thought that the rumour was actually Terminus, not Tal Darim.
I am not talking about now. It would be very weird if they used the crap map Terminus.
On February 02 2012 04:07 monx wrote: imo the seasons are too short now
agreed. Makes me feel demotivated to ladder for some reason. I still custom and practice a lot with friends and partners, but the will to ladder is attempting to leave me.
On February 02 2012 12:32 riff wrote: Seasons are too short now. I've barely made a dent in my bonus pool, and the "lock" isn't going to motivate me to do anything about it.
i think that just means you dont play enough. i don't play that much but i'm still 0 bonus pool after playing a few games a day.
On February 02 2012 11:38 AdrianHealey wrote: There were a lot of rumours, though. If I remember correctly, the rumour was actually spread that they were going to use terminus?
Hm can you share where you heard this or got the impression of that? I wonder why terminus. GSL doesn't even use that anymore =/. I think daybreak would make much more sense, plus it's not a 4 player map.
Stuf got mixed up: at the time when they announced that Tal Darim was going to be part of the map pool, I sort of remember - but am not sure - that the community 'knew' that they were going to use a non-blizzard map and, again if I remember correctly, I thought that the rumour was actually Terminus, not Tal Darim.
I am not talking about now. It would be very weird if they used the crap map Terminus.
oh ok, thanks for clarifying :D i agree it would be weird to use that now
does that mean i just have to get 800 pts then bam promotion or what? Everyone always says just win a lot and you'll get promoted but this says 800 pts from whatever to whatever.
I'm kind of lost
the 1v1 menu only shows my last 19 games which im 11 - 8 so far - should i be heading to a promotion soon?
On February 02 2012 13:06 Kmickelow wrote: whats wrong with GM Function atm? im out of the loop apparently..
A lot of people don't realize that MMR is capped and that there's really a top 500 rather than 200 people who are at the cap. When GM opens, whoever is the first to play in that pool gets GM, even if they're 499/500 rather than 5/500. To the system, they're both capped at MMR.
does that mean i just have to get 800 pts then bam promotion or what? Everyone always says just win a lot and you'll get promoted but this says 800 pts from whatever to whatever.
I'm kind of lost
the 1v1 menu only shows my last 19 games which im 11 - 8 so far - should i be heading to a promotion soon?
Are you winning games against opponents that are in the league above you? If not, then you are not getting promoted. Simple as that really.
You can go 15-5 in the last month. If those 5 games you lost were all to players ranked higher than you, then you stay in your current league.
I got promoted from Gold to Plat mid season but still finding the league pretty easy and maintaining a 60% win ratio roughly, is it possible to get promoted twice in one season? I really don’t play that much at the moment (have played about 5 games in the last 2 weeks) but tomorrow is my last day at work so I reckon I could easily reach the rough target of 800 points before ladder lock (currently on 550ish, 250+ points in 4 days will be tricky, but doable).
Seasons feel so short now, I remember Season 1 seemed to go on forever.
On February 02 2012 04:17 corpuscle wrote: Am I wrong, or is there something that happens if you have fewer than five wins in a season (like MMR reset or something)? I only have 4 wins right now, too many customs :<
I'm pretty sure it's if you don't place for a season your MMR resets. So if you've placed in any league, you're fine.
On February 02 2012 12:32 riff wrote: Seasons are too short now. I've barely made a dent in my bonus pool, and the "lock" isn't going to motivate me to do anything about it.
If the season was longer then your bonus pool would continue to grow. So it would be even harder to put a dent into your bonus pool. Honestly bonus pool is just not a good argument for shorter seasons decreasing ladder motivation. Unless of course they change how bonus pool works.
yes definitely need to get rid of Xel'Naga its such a boring map. cloud kingdom would be soo dope but we know blizz is abit dense when it comes to fixing maps or changning them in a reasonable time frame. school why you make me forget about starcraft dammit
does that mean i just have to get 800 pts then bam promotion or what? Everyone always says just win a lot and you'll get promoted but this says 800 pts from whatever to whatever.
I'm kind of lost
the 1v1 menu only shows my last 19 games which im 11 - 8 so far - should i be heading to a promotion soon?
Are you winning games against opponents that are in the league above you? If not, then you are not getting promoted. Simple as that really.
You can go 15-5 in the last month. If those 5 games you lost were all to players ranked higher than you, then you stay in your current league.
does that mean i just have to get 800 pts then bam promotion or what? Everyone always says just win a lot and you'll get promoted but this says 800 pts from whatever to whatever.
I'm kind of lost
the 1v1 menu only shows my last 19 games which im 11 - 8 so far - should i be heading to a promotion soon?
Are you winning games against opponents that are in the league above you? If not, then you are not getting promoted. Simple as that really.
You can go 15-5 in the last month. If those 5 games you lost were all to players ranked higher than you, then you stay in your current league.
On February 02 2012 13:19 Greendotz wrote: I got promoted from Gold to Plat mid season but still finding the league pretty easy and maintaining a 60% win ratio roughly, is it possible to get promoted twice in one season? I really don’t play that much at the moment (have played about 5 games in the last 2 weeks) but tomorrow is my last day at work so I reckon I could easily reach the rough target of 800 points before ladder lock (currently on 550ish, 250+ points in 4 days will be tricky, but doable).
Seasons feel so short now, I remember Season 1 seemed to go on forever.
On February 02 2012 14:16 AfricanPsycho wrote: What's up these these short seasons, and whats the point of resetting it anyway (other than to fix ladder bugs?) ?
I think the short seasons can make you more excited to ladder once it gets reset, and they can add new maps (praying for TLMC!)
On February 02 2012 13:19 Greendotz wrote: I got promoted from Gold to Plat mid season but still finding the league pretty easy and maintaining a 60% win ratio roughly, is it possible to get promoted twice in one season? I really don’t play that much at the moment (have played about 5 games in the last 2 weeks) but tomorrow is my last day at work so I reckon I could easily reach the rough target of 800 points before ladder lock (currently on 550ish, 250+ points in 4 days will be tricky, but doable).
Seasons feel so short now, I remember Season 1 seemed to go on forever.
Seasons are now 2 months long, back in season 1, 2 and 3 there was no structure and they just finished the seasons whenever they felt like it.
On February 02 2012 04:04 p1cKLes wrote: (gold league) yea me too (looking around awkwardly) I hope they fix the damn GM league it’s totally screwing my game up.
This.
And does anyone else feel like the platinum diamond line is basically non existent. I constantly play diamonds who clearly don't know what they're doing and platinum players continue to have extremely solid play (compared to my solid platinum play).
I'm #1 in my division, but I feel like it's mostly because I've spent my bonus pool very wisely. I'm probably only 60-40, or 55-45. Probably not enough for a promotion, but damn some of these diamonds don't deserve their shiny status.
That was too short... Guess my promotion to Masters is not going to be next season :D (those requirements are really quite insane, looking at 1v1 and 3v3 which I've both stayed quite active this season, I'm so far from having the points...)
On February 02 2012 04:04 p1cKLes wrote: (gold league) yea me too (looking around awkwardly) I hope they fix the damn GM league it’s totally screwing my game up.
This.
And does anyone else feel like the platinum diamond line is basically non existent. I constantly play diamonds who clearly don't know what they're doing and platinum players continue to have extremely solid play (compared to my solid platinum play).
I'm #1 in my division, but I feel like it's mostly because I've spent my bonus pool very wisely. I'm probably only 60-40, or 55-45. Probably not enough for a promotion, but damn some of these diamonds don't deserve their shiny status.
If they're matched up against you then they're not really diamond, so in a way you're right cus they're moving down.
I think GM should be longer than the 8 weeks. Either that or they fix the system that gives people that have won just few games place in a grandmasters and a player who truely is top 200 region cannot get in just because system is fucked up.
On February 02 2012 04:04 p1cKLes wrote: (gold league) yea me too (looking around awkwardly) I hope they fix the damn GM league it’s totally screwing my game up.
This.
And does anyone else feel like the platinum diamond line is basically non existent. I constantly play diamonds who clearly don't know what they're doing and platinum players continue to have extremely solid play (compared to my solid platinum play).
I'm #1 in my division, but I feel like it's mostly because I've spent my bonus pool very wisely. I'm probably only 60-40, or 55-45. Probably not enough for a promotion, but damn some of these diamonds don't deserve their shiny status.
I have the exact same thing on EU. Losing to plat players that just straight up outplay me and winning convincingly against diamond players that seem to not be placed right. Just switch everything, Blizz? That would make me Diamond Probably not gonna happen though, my play is way to variable to get promoted in my mind.
I hate how blizzard tries to artificially create excitement for laddering lol. If they wanted to add maps, they could add maps. But they think by shortening the seasons people will be like "oh, i'm going to ladder hard this season!"
On February 02 2012 15:27 BasilForSkin wrote: Why does anyone care about being in GM? It's meaningless. It's all about the MMR.
Everything in life is a penis measuring contest. Unfortunately you cannot show anyone your MMR but you can show someone a shiny gold Star that indicates GM league.
On February 02 2012 16:02 Darpa wrote: I feel like the seasons are too short. I never even get my bonus pool used up by the time it ends ><.
The pool grows every few hours so longer seasons wouldn't really help that problem :D
Doesnt being in GM help you qualify for blizzard events? At least in the past ladder have mattered for such things, and with the upcoming battlenet global thingy, might be that being in GM will help you out there.
Imo season length is just fine and ladder maps should be adjusted for majority of people. Blizzard obviously tries to keep casual people playing and people in tl forums should be fine with that. More casual people means more resources for Blizzard to develop the game and more people interested in professional play. Maybe the community could do something to make people play more GSL and other custom maps instead of laddering for practice. Maybe daily tournaments could use a bigger variety of maps, even the lower league ones.
On February 02 2012 16:02 Darpa wrote: I feel like the seasons are too short. I never even get my bonus pool used up by the time it ends ><.
Then you should obviously like that seasons change often since that resets your bonus pool. Your bonus pool increases the longer the season lasts, not the other way around.
On February 02 2012 16:02 Darpa wrote: I feel like the seasons are too short. I never even get my bonus pool used up by the time it ends ><.
You seem to be missunderstanding the system. Your Bonus pool will increase over time and if you cant keep it low anyway you will just gather more and more points in a longer season.
Personally I love those shorter seasons, Its much more motivating, because u have less people that just skyrocket away pointwise and seem to be unreachable. Well and if Blizzard would be so kind a and kill all of their "new" maps and implement sth. like DAYBREAK <3
On February 02 2012 16:02 Darpa wrote: I feel like the seasons are too short. I never even get my bonus pool used up by the time it ends ><.
You seem to be missunderstanding the system. Your Bonus pool will increase over time and if you cant keep it low anyway you will just gather more and more points in a longer season.
Personally I love those shorter seasons, Its much more motivating, because u have less people that just skyrocket away pointwise and seem to be unreachable. Well and if Blizzard would be so kind a and kill all of their "new" maps and implement sth. like DAYBREAK <3
This. Imo the first week or so of a season are the most fun since you can easily compare progress of people in your division. Later on, you see people who have 10 times the amount of wins you do and it's less interesting to compare points.
I wouldn't mind daybreak, I would personally prefer Darkness Falls though, probably my favorite third party map.
On February 02 2012 04:07 monx wrote: imo the seasons are too short now
I like having "new beginnings" kinda frequently. I also like the map pool changing as it is now... I'm probably having too high hopes for the S6 map pool.
Blizzard... you know you read this place. MAPS! Get new ones. Not yours. There's a lot of wonderful new maps out there from the community. And it saves you money.
None of those new maps are too complicated or too tough for noobies, either... if anything, it will give them the illusion of epicness when we have massed Carriers against massed Cattlebruisers. I mean, really... there are no hard maps.
arid plateau and xel'naga caverns should be removed, blizz should add more GSL macro maps like they did Tal'darim, hopefully its Daybreak or Metropolis!
I thought this would be the first season I wouldn't end up top 25 master league. Went 4-0 last night, now I'm only 1-2 wins away from breaking back in .
New maps would be nice, but why does everyone hate on Blizzard? I know they don't do everything right, but were sitting on a 3rd party website dedicated to just 2 of their creations. They must do some things right.
On February 02 2012 14:53 Liquid`Jinro wrote: The highest masters account on KR now is 1250.... 2nd is 1150.
I somehow doubt 1400 will be reached by anyone lol? Does it END on the 7th or is that just when they lock the ladder for promotions etc.
That's only promotions, but you can still gain points from wins and stuff, but your bonus pool will not grow, so only net points come from >50% win rate
On February 03 2012 02:06 SrKi wrote: on what date ladder will be locked?
feb 7th
They have updated the dates for US server: "The Season 5 lock will go into effect on Tuesday, February 14 PST." and "During the week of February 20, Season 5 will end and Season 6 will begin".
Daybreak has really proved to be a balanced map across all match ups. It really should be in the map pool. Get rid of the terrible new 2 player map they created this season. (It doesn't deserve a name) I really like Cloud Kingdom as a replacement since it's a 2 player map.
On February 02 2012 14:53 Liquid`Jinro wrote: The highest masters account on KR now is 1250.... 2nd is 1150.
I somehow doubt 1400 will be reached by anyone lol? Does it END on the 7th or is that just when they lock the ladder for promotions etc.
1 week of bonus pool = +90. And this is for NA.
To those complaining about not having enough time to use up their bonus pool. If you win 6-8 games a week--you've managed to keep your bonus pool at zero. That's about 1.5-2.0 hours of playing a week. That means if you play for one night a week--you've used up your bonus pool.
On February 02 2012 14:53 Liquid`Jinro wrote: The highest masters account on KR now is 1250.... 2nd is 1150.
I somehow doubt 1400 will be reached by anyone lol? Does it END on the 7th or is that just when they lock the ladder for promotions etc.
1 week of bonus pool = +90. And this is for NA.
To those complaining about not having enough time to use up their bonus pool. If you win 6-8 games a week--you've managed to keep your bonus pool at zero. That's about 1.5-2.0 hours of playing a week. That means if you play for one night a week--you've used up your bonus pool.
Thats completely incorrect as the game aims for a 50% win. Meaning winning 6-8 games means playing 12-16. If you use 20 minutes for game that gives 4 to 5.30 hours which is one entire day for a normal player.
On February 02 2012 14:53 Liquid`Jinro wrote: The highest masters account on KR now is 1250.... 2nd is 1150.
I somehow doubt 1400 will be reached by anyone lol? Does it END on the 7th or is that just when they lock the ladder for promotions etc.
1 week of bonus pool = +90. And this is for NA.
To those complaining about not having enough time to use up their bonus pool. If you win 6-8 games a week--you've managed to keep your bonus pool at zero. That's about 1.5-2.0 hours of playing a week. That means if you play for one night a week--you've used up your bonus pool.
Thats completely incorrect as the game aims for a 50% win. Meaning winning 6-8 games means playing 12-16. If you use 20 minutes for game that gives 4 to 5.30 hours which is one entire day for a normal player.
Most games 15-20 minutes (game time)
Wich is 10-15 minutes real time.
Assuming 12-16 games played--that's 2-3 hours of real time a week.
Woot woot, recently starting about when the season would lock and when I would get promoted into diamond :D and it seems that it'll happen next week :D:D
Hope I can get into platinum league this next season. I'm high gold and I'm always on the verge of being promoted, but have yet to do so. Maybe this will be my season!
On February 06 2012 21:40 tryteyker wrote: Side Question; If I'm High Bronze (Rank 3), is it possible to get promoted into Gold next season, as I only have 1 placement match (afaik)?
Depends on your MMR. I think it's possible, but you would need an insane MMR and be beating gold players on a regular basis atm.
On February 06 2012 21:40 tryteyker wrote: Side Question; If I'm High Bronze (Rank 3), is it possible to get promoted into Gold next season, as I only have 1 placement match (afaik)?
You'd have to play constantly against gold players and beat them all the time.
On February 06 2012 21:40 tryteyker wrote: Side Question; If I'm High Bronze (Rank 3), is it possible to get promoted into Gold next season, as I only have 1 placement match (afaik)?
You'd have to play constantly against gold players and beat them all the time.
Not true. You'd only need a 50/50 win/loss ratio against gold players. That would qualify you for Gold league. So if you keep playing well during the final week of Season 5 and are matched against Gold players a lot your MMR could be high enough to be promoted into Gold with your placement match in Season 6.
After the ladder is locked tomorrow, do all changes in points\MMR have no further affect on what league you get placed into next season? I ask this because it says "One way to almost guarantee a promotion by next season is to earn the number of division ladder points given in the corresponding table entry below by February 7". So tomorrow is basically the cut off point? And does that only apply to bronze through masters. Or GM as well? Or is GM entries calculated after a new season starts? Thanks in advance if anyone knows the answer.
On February 07 2012 04:02 TheResidentEvil wrote: it means you cant get promoted until after the new season but you can still get the required points after tomorrow
I wish the seasons were a little bit longer. At least I reached my goal for this season, so I'm happy. I think the only way I can get in to GM next season is if they keep it the way it is lol. I don't really care though, it's just a number anyways.
On February 07 2012 04:02 TheResidentEvil wrote: it means you cant get promoted until after the new season but you can still get the required points after tomorrow
Why does it say BY february 7th then?
If you get the points by Feb. 7 you should get promoted. Since the ladder locks Feb. 7, you won't get promoted after that date even if you get those number of points of higher. However, your MMR still changes during the lock.
For example, it is possible to get your MMR to the promotion level on Feb. 8 but you won't know you've reached that point until you play your placement match the next season - which should place you in the next league up.
On February 07 2012 04:02 TheResidentEvil wrote: it means you cant get promoted until after the new season but you can still get the required points after tomorrow
Why does it say BY february 7th then?
Because the bonus pool stops growing when the ladder locks, so in terms of league promotions. 700 points on the 7th = 700 points on the 14th. On the 1st of February your bonus pool was smaller so you would have needed a much higher win ratio to get 700 points.
It seems like poor wording on Blizzards part, I think that they put it like that so people (dumb people) wouldn't think they had to have 700 points in the first week of the season to have any chance at a promotion. Because before the bonus pool is big enough that's pretty impossible.
Oh ok, thanks Charger. The wording was confusing me. I looked through the thread and saw Jinro asked the same question. I got more than the required points and I still didn't get promoted. Blizzard apparently hates me
Edit: Although it's _possible_ to be placed into master league with just the first 5 placement matches of a brand new account, it's highly unlikely. (Since not only would you need to win, you'll need to be lucky with your opponents.) So good evidence of an MMR reset or lack thereof can only be seen for master leaguers who skip a season.
I was master and skipped a season. When I came back I had to play 5 placement and I cas assure you they were at best gold. I lost one to a newbie (got lazy on my macro) and got platinum.
So in my experience, when you skip a season, your account MMR is completely resetted.
On February 07 2012 04:20 PandaTank wrote: Oh ok, thanks Charger. The wording was confusing me. I looked through the thread and saw Jinro asked the same question. I got more than the required points and I still didn't get promoted. Blizzard apparently hates me
I've seen people get promoted with far less and people with more than enough not get promoted. It's completely based on your MMR but as the guy a post or two above me said, for the general public, Blizzard had to estimate about what someone would need in points since everyone's MMR is hidden. You were probably close to promotion though - do well during the lock and you could very well get promoted your first game of the new season. Good luck
Anyone who can explain the point of the lock? From what I remember, it's not mentioned in the awesome league guide. I mean, I realize that during the lock, you can neither be promoted nor demoted, but your MMR is still affected... so... what's the point?
When I first heard about the lock, I thought it was incentive to make inactive people play when losses "didn't matter"... but since MMR still counts, there's really no difference other than any eventual promotion or demotion happens 1 week later. Why do they have locks at all?
On February 07 2012 04:28 Tobberoth wrote: Anyone who can explain the point of the lock? From what I remember, it's not mentioned in the awesome league guide. I mean, I realize that during the lock, you can neither be promoted nor demoted, but your MMR is still affected... so... what's the point?
When I first heard about the lock, I thought it was incentive to make inactive people play when losses "didn't matter"... but since MMR still counts, there's really no difference other than any eventual promotion or demotion happens 1 week later. Why do they have locks at all?
The purpose for it is to act as a "cooldown" period inbetween seasons, think of it like stretching or going for a walk after a good workout.
This time gives players who havent been as active to spend their bonus pool and catch up with everyone else. as well as set a legitimate division ranking without players bounding up and down because of bonus pool.
On February 07 2012 04:28 Tobberoth wrote: Anyone who can explain the point of the lock? From what I remember, it's not mentioned in the awesome league guide. I mean, I realize that during the lock, you can neither be promoted nor demoted, but your MMR is still affected... so... what's the point?
When I first heard about the lock, I thought it was incentive to make inactive people play when losses "didn't matter"... but since MMR still counts, there's really no difference other than any eventual promotion or demotion happens 1 week later. Why do they have locks at all?
The purpose for it is to act as a "cooldown" period inbetween seasons, think of it like stretching or going for a walk after a good workout.
This time gives players who havent been as active to spend their bonus pool and catch up with everyone else. as well as set a legitimate division ranking without players bounding up and down because of bonus pool.
On February 07 2012 04:38 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote: I think everyone can agree that these seasons are too short. Three months was the sweet spot for season length, I hope blizzard changes it back.
Who cares? Seriously, what are the arguments against short seasons?
On February 07 2012 05:22 Rassy wrote: season already over wth, 7 seasons a year ??? Thought it would be 1, max 2
good they revealed the amount of points you need, now you can finally aim for something
You must not have been paying attention for a long time, since Blizzard announced about 6 months ago their season plan, and this is the second season that we had that lasted only 2 months.
I personally would have liked 3 months, but not more, since the longer a season lasts the more stale things become. What is important however is the increased transparency from Blizzard with regards to dates, lockouts, points needed for promotion, etc.
On February 06 2012 21:40 tryteyker wrote: Side Question; If I'm High Bronze (Rank 3), is it possible to get promoted into Gold next season, as I only have 1 placement match (afaik)?
You'd have to play constantly against gold players and beat them all the time.
Not true. You'd only need a 50/50 win/loss ratio against gold players. That would qualify you for Gold league. So if you keep playing well during the final week of Season 5 and are matched against Gold players a lot your MMR could be high enough to be promoted into Gold with your placement match in Season 6.
So if I right now play against Platinum, Gold, Silver, Bronze (totally random at all times), and I'd complete the placement match, I'd be in Bronze again?
On February 07 2012 04:28 Tobberoth wrote: Anyone who can explain the point of the lock? From what I remember, it's not mentioned in the awesome league guide. I mean, I realize that during the lock, you can neither be promoted nor demoted, but your MMR is still affected... so... what's the point?
When I first heard about the lock, I thought it was incentive to make inactive people play when losses "didn't matter"... but since MMR still counts, there's really no difference other than any eventual promotion or demotion happens 1 week later. Why do they have locks at all?
The bonus pool stops growing during the lock. It's mostly for people who haven't been as active to use up all their bonus pool, and for people to get fight it out for the top spots in their division without having to worry about someone overtaking them because of bonus pool.
On February 06 2012 21:40 tryteyker wrote: Side Question; If I'm High Bronze (Rank 3), is it possible to get promoted into Gold next season, as I only have 1 placement match (afaik)?
You'd have to play constantly against gold players and beat them all the time.
Not true. You'd only need a 50/50 win/loss ratio against gold players. That would qualify you for Gold league. So if you keep playing well during the final week of Season 5 and are matched against Gold players a lot your MMR could be high enough to be promoted into Gold with your placement match in Season 6.
So if I right now play against Platinum, Gold, Silver, Bronze (totally random at all times), and I'd complete the placement match, I'd be in Bronze again?
If you're playing against people in different leagues with that much variation then the system doesn't really know where to place you yet and you will probably bounce between leagues quite a lot. Just keep playing and once you've played more you'll get put in a league and be playing pretty much only people of that league unless you start winning more than 50%.
For instance, if you've played against a platinum player and won and then you stop playing until your placement you might get placed in platinum. But if you start losing to platinum and gold players the system will quickly demote you. Once you've played a lot of games it becomes harder to shift your MMR around much so promotions/demotions become less common.
On February 06 2012 21:40 tryteyker wrote: Side Question; If I'm High Bronze (Rank 3), is it possible to get promoted into Gold next season, as I only have 1 placement match (afaik)?
You'd have to play constantly against gold players and beat them all the time.
Not true. You'd only need a 50/50 win/loss ratio against gold players. That would qualify you for Gold league. So if you keep playing well during the final week of Season 5 and are matched against Gold players a lot your MMR could be high enough to be promoted into Gold with your placement match in Season 6.
So if I right now play against Platinum, Gold, Silver, Bronze (totally random at all times), and I'd complete the placement match, I'd be in Bronze again?
Sounds like you have a really unstable MMR, which might very well lead you to get placed in bronze again. You're only promoted once your MMR stabilizes in a higher league. So you basically need to win at least over 50% of your matches against silver and win more or less every game against bronze so that it stabilizes in silver or higher.
On February 06 2012 21:40 tryteyker wrote: Side Question; If I'm High Bronze (Rank 3), is it possible to get promoted into Gold next season, as I only have 1 placement match (afaik)?
You'd have to play constantly against gold players and beat them all the time.
Not true. You'd only need a 50/50 win/loss ratio against gold players. That would qualify you for Gold league. So if you keep playing well during the final week of Season 5 and are matched against Gold players a lot your MMR could be high enough to be promoted into Gold with your placement match in Season 6.
So if I right now play against Platinum, Gold, Silver, Bronze (totally random at all times), and I'd complete the placement match, I'd be in Bronze again?
If you're looking at 1v1, pay attention to who those players have been playing recently (poll their match histories).
If you're looking at team games, make sure you're looking at the actual team you faced rather than their highest rated team.
In either case, you'll notice a trend which will allow you to gauge the quality of players you face, and by extension where you are. That is, a Bronze who plays Golds is pretty much a Gold or Silver who hasn't been promoted yet. After enough data points you'll get the information you need.
I don't mind the shorter seasons, as long as there are map pool changes. Otherwise I'd prefer to do 3 month season with each one having map pool changes.
Anything longer then that is too long on the same map pool and to long for GM.
Argh, was thinking the season locked on Friday. Was planning on spening the rest of my bonus pool and getting into the top 8 of my division for that nice shiny gold star.
I don't understand the need to lock the ladders? Why not just set a date to switch over to the next season? It'll remove all this complication of having people complaining/wondering why they didn't get promoted etc.
On February 08 2012 01:57 Chewbacca. wrote: Argh, was thinking the season locked on Friday. Was planning on spening the rest of my bonus pool and getting into the top 8 of my division for that nice shiny gold star.
Uhh... it's not too late for that. The lock lasts an entire week. You can still play over the weekend and spend your remaining bonus pool.
On February 08 2012 02:04 darkcloud8282 wrote: I don't understand the need to lock the ladders? Why not just set a date to switch over to the next season? It'll remove all this complication of having people complaining/wondering why they didn't get promoted etc.
I don't disagree that ladder locks lead to a lot of confusion, but they do allow a period where bonus pool stops influencing the end-of-season division ranks. The lock is primarily a way to communicate to players "this is your assigned division, you're not going anywhere for a week, now how high can you get in this division before the next season starts?"
Man always hate playing at the lock, I'll lose to some random diamond player and think "what the hell, why did it match me against someone that low, and why did he rape me?". Then I check his record and he's like 20 - 1 in the past few hours cause some dude got his high masters friend to smurf for him -_-.
On February 08 2012 02:04 darkcloud8282 wrote: I don't understand the need to lock the ladders? Why not just set a date to switch over to the next season? It'll remove all this complication of having people complaining/wondering why they didn't get promoted etc.
I don't disagree that ladder locks lead to a lot of confusion, but they do allow a period where bonus pool stops influencing the end-of-season division ranks. The lock is primarily a way to communicate to players "this is your assigned division, you're not going anywhere for a week, now how high can you get in this division before the next season starts?"
The "problem" is a lot of people think that since they aren't going to be promoted they should stop playing. I think it would just be less complications for the general masses to have a set date where one season switches to the next and call it a day. And anyways, who really cares about their ranks in a division? Divisions aren't even comparable across the board so being Rank 1 in one division doesn't equate the same rank in another.
On February 08 2012 01:57 Chewbacca. wrote: Argh, was thinking the season locked on Friday. Was planning on spening the rest of my bonus pool and getting into the top 8 of my division for that nice shiny gold star.
You still have a week to do that >.> The new season doesn't start until next week.
On February 07 2012 04:38 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote: I think everyone can agree that these seasons are too short. Three months was the sweet spot for season length, I hope blizzard changes it back.
Speak for yourself maybe ? This is the perfect length. I'm Pretty sure to find as many ppl as yours that would agree with me.
I don't mind the end of season locks, but I do mind the start of season chaos. I don't know if others have this problem, but every time the season starts my 2v2 partner and I experience this wild fluctuation in skill levels of opponents. We'll come across silver players who have excellent macro and perfect force fields (we're high gold/low platinum) and then next game we'll hit platinum players who stay on one base and have 9 roaches at 9 minutes. Is that a problem in 1v1 also or is it just us/2v2?
I didn't see this being asked before, so does anyone know the exact time today (7th of february) that the ladder is being locked? I'm talking about the EU server.
I hope they dont have the same GM issues for a third time in a row. Also I hope they add some new maps, I think metropolis, daybreak or ESV Cloud Kingdom would be cool to see.
On February 08 2012 02:04 darkcloud8282 wrote: I don't understand the need to lock the ladders? Why not just set a date to switch over to the next season? It'll remove all this complication of having people complaining/wondering why they didn't get promoted etc.
I don't disagree that ladder locks lead to a lot of confusion, but they do allow a period where bonus pool stops influencing the end-of-season division ranks. The lock is primarily a way to communicate to players "this is your assigned division, you're not going anywhere for a week, now how high can you get in this division before the next season starts?"
The "problem" is a lot of people think that since they aren't going to be promoted they should stop playing. I think it would just be less complications for the general masses to have a set date where one season switches to the next and call it a day. And anyways, who really cares about their ranks in a division? Divisions aren't even comparable across the board so being Rank 1 in one division doesn't equate the same rank in another.
Because getting that shiny emblem is nice Blizzard have done a lot of wrong stuff, but I sure like the emblems ^_^
On February 08 2012 03:40 Siggeh wrote: imo, too many bad maps for zerg at higher lvl atm. Gomtv has kinda balanced the maps. Hopefully blizz will do the same.
Blizzard doesn't care about balance, they just try to please all the whiners in gold leagues and below so these people continue to support their game.
On February 08 2012 03:22 -stOpSKY- wrote: I hope they dont have the same GM issues for a third time in a row. Also I hope they add some new maps, I think metropolis, daybreak or ESV Cloud Kingdom would be cool to see.
I'd LOVE to see Cloud Kingdom in the ladder pool, that would be sick. soo sick. :D
On February 08 2012 03:03 Gator wrote: anyone want to take the masters league pledge with me for season 6, I'm going to really try to make it!
I'm with you there ><. I've been getting matched against masters players for a couple weeks now and have been sitting top 8 in my diamond league fluctuating between 1-5 and I tried to go all out last night for the promo but ended up dropping about 50 points -.-. Season 6 IS THE SEASON! :D
On February 08 2012 04:46 THM wrote: So once again, no one knows the exact time in which the ladder will be/was locked for EU?
At least for couple of last seasons the max bonus pool has been the same for all? servers (at least same in EU & US). If this is being applied for s5 too, then a fairly accurate locking time can be calculated based on when the US server is locked / its' max bonus pool. Based on the SC2 client the bonus pool is still increasing in the US server (checked 30 minutes ago). This means the US ladder either is not yet locked or the client shows incorrect bonus pool.
On February 08 2012 04:26 EMIYA wrote: Metal and Arid need to go. I run out of vetos to keep the protoss gimped maps out that I can't ban stuff like 2 base caverns.
I agree but from a Terran perspective. TvZ is hard enough for me already, playing Metal was just insta loss after loss so I had to veto it. But I always find myself wishing I had 1 or 2 more vetoes because the maps are so bad ...
On February 08 2012 04:24 VPFaith wrote: Is Ladder locked now?
Should be.
Is that why I have been on a 18 win streak while still remaining the number one diamond in my division? It didn't make sense to me because I was beating mid master guise.
On February 08 2012 04:46 THM wrote: So once again, no one knows the exact time in which the ladder will be/was locked for EU?
At least for couple of last seasons the max bonus pool has been the same for all? servers (at least same in EU & US). If this is being applied for s5 too, then a fairly accurate locking time can be calculated based on when the US server is locked / its' max bonus pool. Based on the SC2 client the bonus pool is still increasing in the US server (checked 30 minutes ago). This means the US ladder either is not yet locked or the client shows incorrect bonus pool.
On February 08 2012 04:46 THM wrote: So once again, no one knows the exact time in which the ladder will be/was locked for EU?
At least for couple of last seasons the max bonus pool has been the same for all? servers (at least same in EU & US). If this is being applied for s5 too, then a fairly accurate locking time can be calculated based on when the US server is locked / its' max bonus pool. Based on the SC2 client the bonus pool is still increasing in the US server (checked 30 minutes ago). This means the US ladder either is not yet locked or the client shows incorrect bonus pool.
The max bonus pools for US server are (1v1): master+ 637, diamond- 370. For EU server the master+ pool reaches 637 around 18:45 CET 2012-02-08 (with ~1 hour accuracy as I am not sure how accurate starting time I have logged for EU S5).
On the other hand by looking at the EU SC2 client the master+ pool is currently 630. So it takes between 13 to 15 hours to reach 637. This gives time frame from 17:45 CET to 19:45 CET.
(edit: added calculation based on info from EU SC2 client). (edit 2: US SC2 client is still accumulating bonus points. masters+ pool now 638 while writing this. This probably throws the EU locking time calculation off)
On February 08 2012 13:21 HenryZ wrote: Why is bonus pool still accumulating??
Hmm. Indeed 1 more bonus point appeared in US master+ accounts (now 638 bonus pool). This potentially throws the EU locking time, that I calculated couple of posts back, off as we do not know if its a display bug or if US is not locked even if they claimed so.
On February 08 2012 13:21 HenryZ wrote: Why is bonus pool still accumulating??
Hmm. Indeed 1 more bonus point appeared in US master+ accounts (now 638 bonus pool). This potentially throws the EU locking time, that I calculated couple of posts back, off as we do not know if its a display bug or if US is not locked even if they claimed so.
My inactive teammate got ~7 8 bonus pool today I think (I checked in the morning and now in the night). He was 176 last night a few hours before ladder locked (close to getting kicked out lol) and now hes 185. Weird, maybe this is related to blizz not fixing the ladder bug at the start of the season
On February 08 2012 03:22 -stOpSKY- wrote: I hope they dont have the same GM issues for a third time in a row. Also I hope they add some new maps, I think metropolis, daybreak or ESV Cloud Kingdom would be cool to see.
I'd LOVE to see Cloud Kingdom in the ladder pool, that would be sick. soo sick. :D
this
also would love to see gold mineral patches removed, along with XNC
Hmm hasn't it always been the case that even with leagues locked, you can still get kicked out of GM for having over 180 bonus pool? I'm asking cause Drewbie has 185 right now in GM. Also because if I don't have to keep my bonus down to stay in GM... then lol why not I guess.
On February 08 2012 13:52 EtherealDeath wrote: Hmm hasn't it always been the case that even with leagues locked, you can still get kicked out of GM for having over 180 bonus pool? I'm asking cause Drewbie has 185 right now in GM. Also because if I don't have to keep my bonus down to stay in GM... then lol why not I guess.
But normally, players will try to get their pool below 180 before the lock even comes into effect cuz before that time, having more than 180 will get you kicked. So normally, you can't get more than 180 in the post season anyway without being kicked beforehand for having 180, right?
Looks like everyone in gm is getting bonus pool accumulation still
For gods sakes, please fix the maps. Get rid of Arid and Entombed for sure, to be honest I'd be ecstatic if they just threw the entire thing in the trash and switched to gomtv maps exclusively.
On February 08 2012 13:52 EtherealDeath wrote: Hmm hasn't it always been the case that even with leagues locked, you can still get kicked out of GM for having over 180 bonus pool? I'm asking cause Drewbie has 185 right now in GM. Also because if I don't have to keep my bonus down to stay in GM... then lol why not I guess.
But normally, players will try to get their pool below 180 before the lock even comes into effect cuz before that time, having more than 180 will get you kicked. So normally, you can't get more than 180 in the post season anyway without being kicked beforehand for having 180, right?
Looks like everyone in gm is getting bonus pool accumulation still
Has that usually been the case, that GM bonus pool keeps accumulating?
On February 08 2012 14:16 HyperionDreamer wrote: For gods sakes, please fix the maps. Get rid of Arid and Entombed for sure, to be honest I'd be ecstatic if they just threw the entire thing in the trash and switched to gomtv maps exclusively.
haha, as would the vast majority of people that visit this site. But don't hold your breath lol. most likely, we'll see 2 new blizzard maps to replace current blizzard maps (my guess is they'll remove arid and XNC, replacing them with 2 new blizzard maps).
of course all the fan boys flame blizzard for not including every GSL map ever made so they can pretend to be pro. I think Blizzard has done a decent job with maps this season. Arid Plateau is not great but it's not Slag Pits. XNC, Metal, and Shattered Temple are showing their age and are due for a replacement but aren't BAD maps
On February 08 2012 15:26 StickTogether wrote: Do team games effect your 1v1 MMR?
no not at all. Seperate things.
Well really need to push then, hope I do enough tog et masters in 2v2, 3v3 and 4v4 random team! Havent played consistently enough to get Masters in 1v1 yet, perhpas next seasons goal!
On February 08 2012 15:24 HenryZ wrote: Looks just like a display bug, it says I have 9 more bonus pool but I actually emptied it
Yes. It seems to be a display bug. Also EU server suffers from it. The max bonus pools seem to be the same as in the end of season 4: 630 for masters+ and 365 for diamond-.
On February 08 2012 15:10 Elefes wrote: Hell, if I lose placement match again, I won't play 1v1 next season at all, screw that XD
I really wish blizz would have called the new season match something other than a placement match. The important number (your MMR) carries over from season to season so that 'placement' match you play at the start of a new season carries exactly the same weight as a normal everyday ladder game. It's a game to make sure you are still an active player and deserve to be placed into the ladder not a traditional placement match like you played when you first got the game and your MMR was 0.
On February 08 2012 15:24 HenryZ wrote: Looks just like a display bug, it says I have 9 more bonus pool but I actually emptied it
Yes. It seems to be a display bug. Also EU server suffers from it. The max bonus pools seem to be the same as in the end of season 4: 630 for masters+ and 365 for diamond-.
Yeah I have this bug too, It says I have 4 bonus pool left but I've won a bunch of games. Also my pool appeared to go up from 3 to 4. (Which is weird because the ladder is locked right?)
Season 5 coming to an end This post on the EU website says that Season 6 starts the week beginning 20th of February, it seems wrong but does anyone have any confirmation? That would make the ladder lock 2 weeks long.
Why is there so much hate for Entombed. It's a good map. If it would've been GSL Entombed valley everybody would think it's the greatest map on earth. It seems everything blizzard touches is being hated.
On February 09 2012 01:37 Dujek wrote: Season 5 coming to an end This post on the EU website says that Season 6 starts the week beginning 20th of February, it seems wrong but does anyone have any confirmation? That would make the ladder lock 2 weeks long.
Well Blizzard said that it would be only one week long (see OP)... and Blizzard's the boss.
Also, it's always been a one week ladder-lock before the reset, right? Not sure why they would change it now.
EDIT: Oh your site is Blizzard too. Is EU different than NA?
Normally we get the same timings as NA except we're one day behind, which is why I'm confused.
For the past few seasons the lock has been one week but I think it was 2 weeks for the first few seasons. I'd be surprised if they went back though with the season being only 2 months long so I think it's a mistake.
On February 09 2012 01:37 Dujek wrote: Season 5 coming to an end This post on the EU website says that Season 6 starts the week beginning 20th of February, it seems wrong but does anyone have any confirmation? That would make the ladder lock 2 weeks long.
The original US server news post said that US server would be locked Feb 14th and new season start week of 20th. It was then fixed by Blizzard to 7th and 14th. Also the news post for EU server originally had 15th & 20th.... But it seems they fixed only the first date from that post. So expect new season for EU server next week too.
Did anyone catch Rob Simpson giving hints during IEM sao Paulo about user maps being in the map pool? He was talking to Mr. Bitter durin G3 Illusion vs Killer, and they were talking about user created maps. Simpson said something to the effect of "well good things are coming soon to the ladder"
Very short season, hopefully they fix Grandmasters because at the start of the season 5 you had the last 40~ players in grandmaster league (approx 160-200) that had like 5 to 10 games played :s
On February 09 2012 02:08 DYEAlabaster wrote: Did anyone catch Rob Simpson giving hints during IEM sao Paulo about user maps being in the map pool? He was talking to Mr. Bitter durin G3 Illusion vs Killer, and they were talking about user created maps. Simpson said something to the effect of "well good things are coming soon to the ladder"
On February 09 2012 02:08 DYEAlabaster wrote: Did anyone catch Rob Simpson giving hints during IEM sao Paulo about user maps being in the map pool? He was talking to Mr. Bitter durin G3 Illusion vs Killer, and they were talking about user created maps. Simpson said something to the effect of "well good things are coming soon to the ladder"
Word on the street backs up that statement. 0_O
I really hope by this they mean GSL maps made by GOM that have had enough testing to be good, and not some of the random user made maps that have had very little prior testing and were made for fun by amateurs.
On February 09 2012 02:08 DYEAlabaster wrote: Did anyone catch Rob Simpson giving hints during IEM sao Paulo about user maps being in the map pool? He was talking to Mr. Bitter durin G3 Illusion vs Killer, and they were talking about user created maps. Simpson said something to the effect of "well good things are coming soon to the ladder"
Word on the street backs up that statement. 0_O
I really hope by this they mean GSL maps made by GOM that have had enough testing to be good, and not some of the random user made maps that have had very little prior testing and were made for fun by amateurs.
lol ok. GSL maps are not the most tested maps out there but believe what you want......
EPT
ate subject to change.)
, and yes I also hope we have a WORKING / LEGIT GM system on NA -.-;;
