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Thrie
Profile Joined May 2011
United States24 Posts
January 29 2012 04:02 GMT
#21
I didn't differentiate finals events from the leagues (just trying to log awards once!), maybe I can clear up the difference in the future!

I have the league start in April in my backup, that is what the Liquipedia is showing... did I misremember when it started?

For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong.
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
January 29 2012 04:03 GMT
#22
You have ESL listed in the top right graph twice, once as a major tournament, then again in the asterisk.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Thrie
Profile Joined May 2011
United States24 Posts
January 29 2012 04:07 GMT
#23
On January 29 2012 13:03 Dexington wrote:
You have ESL listed in the top right graph twice, once as a major tournament, then again in the asterisk.


Good eye, sir. I had originally not included it, and then decided to update the number of major organizations to show. Xeris, this is also where NASL got dropped... my bad! Revise! Revise!
For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong.
Trevor.PGT
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada53 Posts
January 29 2012 04:23 GMT
#24
This is very impressive work. Team Liquid is definitely the best source for SC2 tournaments. It's incredible that you put all this together very nice.

My favourite part of this is how you divided the tournaments by show match, daily / weekly / monthly ect. Awesome job!
sashamunguia
Profile Joined February 2011
Mexico423 Posts
January 29 2012 04:32 GMT
#25
thanks for the graphs , way too high resolution imo lol
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dsjoerg
Profile Joined January 2012
United States384 Posts
January 30 2012 16:46 GMT
#26
This is awesome hotness, thanks Thrie!
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Fus
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1112 Posts
January 30 2012 16:48 GMT
#27
Cool! I wonder why EU has so much more prize money on smaller events?
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Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
February 04 2012 19:22 GMT
#28
Very informative. Are you willing to expose/share your database? There are sure to be other uses for it + useful for error checking.
Thank God and gunrun.
Thrie
Profile Joined May 2011
United States24 Posts
February 11 2012 22:33 GMT
#29
At the moment I have just collected data from Liquipedia and formatted it for easier graphing. I'm working on getting it all into a database of my own and would definitely be interested in having other community members QC/QA as well as use it for other analyses.
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Trozz
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada3456 Posts
February 21 2012 03:21 GMT
#30
Holy shat Europe.
You guys are so far ahead.
Post again next year!
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Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6260 Posts
February 21 2012 03:32 GMT
#31
Great work!

I'm hoping for some kind of analysis on the prize money distribution - for instance, in the GSL, the prize money is very top-heavy and hence all that money benefits mainly only 1st place.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
February 21 2012 04:21 GMT
#32
On February 21 2012 12:32 Azzur wrote:
Great work!

I'm hoping for some kind of analysis on the prize money distribution - for instance, in the GSL, the prize money is very top-heavy and hence all that money benefits mainly only 1st place.


What kind of analysis are you hoping for? You just analyzed it yourself in <1 sentence.
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Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6260 Posts
February 21 2012 05:17 GMT
#33
On February 21 2012 13:21 Xeris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2012 12:32 Azzur wrote:
Great work!

I'm hoping for some kind of analysis on the prize money distribution - for instance, in the GSL, the prize money is very top-heavy and hence all that money benefits mainly only 1st place.


What kind of analysis are you hoping for? You just analyzed it yourself in <1 sentence.

Well, I'm interesting in the following questions:

- How does NA, EU, KR, Other distribute prize money?

- Does small tournaments distribute more evenly?

etc.
duracell
Profile Joined April 2011
53 Posts
February 21 2012 06:26 GMT
#34
On February 21 2012 12:32 Azzur wrote:
Great work!

I'm hoping for some kind of analysis on the prize money distribution - for instance, in the GSL, the prize money is very top-heavy and hence all that money benefits mainly only 1st place.


1st place is about 29% of all GSL money, and about 42% of Code S money, but Code A/S is essentially one tournament now so if we use the 29% figure, it is not particularly top heavy. For example, the people that get knocked out in the Round of 32 account for approximately 18% of Code S money.


20-40% allotted for first is not bad at all depending on the size of the tournament, and a bunch of other factors. For a point of reference, in poker tournaments a common distribution is 50% of the prizepool going towards first in a 10 player tournament, with that number decreasing as the participants go higher. Even for 500 people, a 30%+ distribution is not considered high for first place.

I believe the prizepool distribution is carefully considered since the korean pro scene is in close communications with GSL organizers. There is a both a need to have a large first place prize pool for marketing purposes, and an incentive to flatten payments so that top pros that aren't winning can still make a livable salary. Without in depth knowledge of the financial aspect of individual teams, it's hard to say what is the correct payment scale to use. With team houses and bills being paid for, I think pros make a passable living just by making Code S or floundering in Code A every now and then, along with streaming and winning smaller cup tournaments.
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6260 Posts
February 21 2012 08:19 GMT
#35
On February 21 2012 15:26 duracell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2012 12:32 Azzur wrote:
Great work!

I'm hoping for some kind of analysis on the prize money distribution - for instance, in the GSL, the prize money is very top-heavy and hence all that money benefits mainly only 1st place.


1st place is about 29% of all GSL money, and about 42% of Code S money, but Code A/S is essentially one tournament now so if we use the 29% figure, it is not particularly top heavy. For example, the people that get knocked out in the Round of 32 account for approximately 18% of Code S money.


20-40% allotted for first is not bad at all depending on the size of the tournament, and a bunch of other factors. For a point of reference, in poker tournaments a common distribution is 50% of the prizepool going towards first in a 10 player tournament, with that number decreasing as the participants go higher. Even for 500 people, a 30%+ distribution is not considered high for first place.

I believe the prizepool distribution is carefully considered since the korean pro scene is in close communications with GSL organizers. There is a both a need to have a large first place prize pool for marketing purposes, and an incentive to flatten payments so that top pros that aren't winning can still make a livable salary. Without in depth knowledge of the financial aspect of individual teams, it's hard to say what is the correct payment scale to use. With team houses and bills being paid for, I think pros make a passable living just by making Code S or floundering in Code A every now and then, along with streaming and winning smaller cup tournaments.

Thanks! This is quite insightful - I didn't know that the prize pool structure was actually wanted by the pros!
UnknownReclaimer
Profile Joined March 2011
United States146 Posts
February 21 2012 08:25 GMT
#36
Thanks for such a great post. It's quite cool to be able to look and see where all the money is coming in from. Looking at the growth over the past year and a half (has it been that long already???) really makes me hopeful for the future of the scene. I really think that it's just going to continue to grow and grow.
"And when he pops out.. WE SHIT ON HIM! HAHAHAHA!" - Geoff Robinson
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
February 21 2012 08:27 GMT
#37
On January 29 2012 10:30 Sabu113 wrote:
Very nice thank you. Once again as everyone has already stated, it's incredible how little MLG had to invest last year compared to what they got and their rivals.

edit: It would be interesting if we could add estimated invite cost to MLG. (but then IPL gets some +s too I believe)

How littled they invested? Are you looking at the chart that says only GSL gave out more in prize money than MLG? And prize money is just a small fraction of an investment. They brought in satellite trucks to broadcast their tournaments because of sc2. That cost more than their prize pools.
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Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
February 21 2012 08:49 GMT
#38
After 2 years and SC2 is still growing. Great news.
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