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crazyweasel
Profile Joined March 2011
607 Posts
January 16 2012 16:35 GMT
#381
i think they left because slayers is very strict on practice and stay at the slayers house. golden left the house, and dragon never been to it. just like ogs did with zenio, they prolly advised them that they would soon part ways if they didnt take it seriously.
atmuh
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States246 Posts
January 16 2012 16:36 GMT
#382
On January 17 2012 01:33 raf3776 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 01:29 KeyHunt wrote:
On January 17 2012 00:31 iky43210 wrote:
On January 17 2012 00:29 Fluffboll wrote:
On January 17 2012 00:24 FallDownMarigold wrote:
On January 17 2012 00:13 Fluffboll wrote:
On January 17 2012 00:09 FallDownMarigold wrote:
Lol Xeris once again with the unprofessional behavior... Someone needs to sit down with him and discuss PR issues, including disclosing financial info and whatnot. I cringed when I read some of those posts on the first couple of pages. It's especially not okay to generalize all Koreans based on what, say, Sangho wanted/did. According to Desrow, Golden hardly wants anything, just travel expenses -- that's not 3k/month


What is unprofessional about anything he said in this thread? He hasn't disclosed any financial info about anyone, he merely stated what some players asked for while he was with fnatic... maybe you should think for yourself a bit before blindly agreeing with some people just because they happen to have "administrator" next to their name...


1) Blanket statement about koreans
2) Disclosure about activity w/ former team

Maybe you should consider that I did think about it and that i happen to agree with kennigit. What's wrong with him being an admin? That's not a rational argument


1) It was a generalized statement about that MOST Koreans asks for way too much and why they are unsigned. Nowhere did he say all Koreans asks for those amounts.

2) Disclosure about activity? really? He was scouting for fnatic and all he said was that he looked into those players to possibly sign them. You're actually trying to call him out on admitting to doing his job?


wait, so you think 1.5k and 3k a month is alot?

that's 18k and 36k a year respectively... That is a piss poor amount, especially for a "sport" industry where players die out after ~10 years of activity

If those amount are too much for sc2 pros, then sc2 won't ever be a big spectator sport


It doesn't matter what you; or anyone else considers "alot". What matters is what the community can support. What do you honestly think organizations get from sponsors? Golden doubloons? That is some organizations entire monthly budget...if you're lucky..and most players asking for that much are simply not worth it.

On January 16 2012 22:53 desRow wrote:
Golden only wants travel expenses shouldnt be too hard for him to find a team


Travel expenses....from Korea. Not exactly a drop in a bucket.

Travel expenses isnt that bad as teams dont send players to everyyy tournament.

i had a good talk about this with one of the team managers in providence
its a heck of a lot and makes decisions on what to do with certain players come tournament time very difficult
KeyHunt
Profile Joined August 2010
United States218 Posts
January 16 2012 16:37 GMT
#383
On January 17 2012 01:33 raf3776 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 01:29 KeyHunt wrote:
On January 17 2012 00:31 iky43210 wrote:
On January 17 2012 00:29 Fluffboll wrote:
On January 17 2012 00:24 FallDownMarigold wrote:
On January 17 2012 00:13 Fluffboll wrote:
On January 17 2012 00:09 FallDownMarigold wrote:
Lol Xeris once again with the unprofessional behavior... Someone needs to sit down with him and discuss PR issues, including disclosing financial info and whatnot. I cringed when I read some of those posts on the first couple of pages. It's especially not okay to generalize all Koreans based on what, say, Sangho wanted/did. According to Desrow, Golden hardly wants anything, just travel expenses -- that's not 3k/month


What is unprofessional about anything he said in this thread? He hasn't disclosed any financial info about anyone, he merely stated what some players asked for while he was with fnatic... maybe you should think for yourself a bit before blindly agreeing with some people just because they happen to have "administrator" next to their name...


1) Blanket statement about koreans
2) Disclosure about activity w/ former team

Maybe you should consider that I did think about it and that i happen to agree with kennigit. What's wrong with him being an admin? That's not a rational argument


1) It was a generalized statement about that MOST Koreans asks for way too much and why they are unsigned. Nowhere did he say all Koreans asks for those amounts.

2) Disclosure about activity? really? He was scouting for fnatic and all he said was that he looked into those players to possibly sign them. You're actually trying to call him out on admitting to doing his job?


wait, so you think 1.5k and 3k a month is alot?

that's 18k and 36k a year respectively... That is a piss poor amount, especially for a "sport" industry where players die out after ~10 years of activity

If those amount are too much for sc2 pros, then sc2 won't ever be a big spectator sport


It doesn't matter what you; or anyone else considers "alot". What matters is what the community can support. What do you honestly think organizations get from sponsors? Golden doubloons? That is some organizations entire monthly budget...if you're lucky..and most players asking for that much are simply not worth it.

On January 16 2012 22:53 desRow wrote:
Golden only wants travel expenses shouldnt be too hard for him to find a team


Travel expenses....from Korea. Not exactly a drop in a bucket.

Travel expenses isnt that bad as teams dont send players to everyyy tournament.


No, let's just say it's MLG only. You're looking at 4-5 events at $1,500/piece. Once again, not exactly a drop in a bucket..and that is only MLG. Mighty big investment for just some decent stream numbers. I hope he does get a team, and I am sure he will...I am just trying to give people a little perspective.
FinnGamer
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany2426 Posts
January 16 2012 16:38 GMT
#384
I hope they both find a suitable team, Dragon can probably live from his stream though
"hopefully swing the favor in your advantage." - Day[9]
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11075 Posts
January 16 2012 16:38 GMT
#385
Xerjs comes drops the wisdom. Flamed for being unprofessional.

=.=
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
January 16 2012 16:40 GMT
#386
It took forever for football and other now popular sports to take off in the US. In fact, many household names had a day job and were paid shitty salaries to play semi-pro/pro games on weekends before they "made it". (Johnny Unitas for example)
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
HeeroFX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States2704 Posts
January 16 2012 16:45 GMT
#387
Well slayers does have a lot of players, and these guys aren't really the stars of the team, granted they play in the clan wars and stuff, but it does make sense that they would leave for a better spot on a team.
hongo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
207 Posts
January 16 2012 16:46 GMT
#388
Hope they can still do well! I love watching dragon's stream
atmuh
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States246 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-16 16:49:41
January 16 2012 16:48 GMT
#389
On January 17 2012 01:38 Sabu113 wrote:
Xerjs comes drops the wisdom. Flamed for being unprofessional.

=.=

what he did was incredibly stupid
On January 17 2012 01:40 darthfoley wrote:
It took forever for football and other now popular sports to take off in the US. In fact, many household names had a day job and were paid shitty salaries to play semi-pro/pro games on weekends before they "made it". (Johnny Unitas for example)

dont compare starcraft 2 to the nfl
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15723 Posts
January 16 2012 16:49 GMT
#390
On January 17 2012 01:38 Sabu113 wrote:
Xerjs comes drops the wisdom. Flamed for being unprofessional.

=.=

Its silly because everyone has a general idea of what other professions make, but the people behinds the scenes in esports don't want anyone to have a clue. Makes no sense.
iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-16 16:52:55
January 16 2012 16:51 GMT
#391
On January 17 2012 01:29 KeyHunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 00:31 iky43210 wrote:
On January 17 2012 00:29 Fluffboll wrote:
On January 17 2012 00:24 FallDownMarigold wrote:
On January 17 2012 00:13 Fluffboll wrote:
On January 17 2012 00:09 FallDownMarigold wrote:
Lol Xeris once again with the unprofessional behavior... Someone needs to sit down with him and discuss PR issues, including disclosing financial info and whatnot. I cringed when I read some of those posts on the first couple of pages. It's especially not okay to generalize all Koreans based on what, say, Sangho wanted/did. According to Desrow, Golden hardly wants anything, just travel expenses -- that's not 3k/month


What is unprofessional about anything he said in this thread? He hasn't disclosed any financial info about anyone, he merely stated what some players asked for while he was with fnatic... maybe you should think for yourself a bit before blindly agreeing with some people just because they happen to have "administrator" next to their name...


1) Blanket statement about koreans
2) Disclosure about activity w/ former team

Maybe you should consider that I did think about it and that i happen to agree with kennigit. What's wrong with him being an admin? That's not a rational argument


1) It was a generalized statement about that MOST Koreans asks for way too much and why they are unsigned. Nowhere did he say all Koreans asks for those amounts.

2) Disclosure about activity? really? He was scouting for fnatic and all he said was that he looked into those players to possibly sign them. You're actually trying to call him out on admitting to doing his job?


wait, so you think 1.5k and 3k a month is alot?

that's 18k and 36k a year respectively... That is a piss poor amount, especially for a "sport" industry where players die out after ~10 years of activity

If those amount are too much for sc2 pros, then sc2 won't ever be a big spectator sport


It doesn't matter what you; or anyone else considers "alot". What matters is what the community can support. What do you honestly think organizations get from sponsors? Golden doubloons? That is some organizations entire monthly budget...if you're lucky..and most players asking for that much are simply not worth it.

Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 22:53 desRow wrote:
Golden only wants travel expenses shouldnt be too hard for him to find a team


Travel expenses....from Korea. Not exactly a drop in a bucket.

I'm simply pointing out that those numbers are not a lot. Obviously its up to the sponsors to determine whether it is worth it or not, though its quite a hypocrisy for you to decide whether players are asking "too much" when you don't know anything about their worth

Why would you ask for less than the minimum wage? you'll be better off just working at mcdonalds!
Quanticfograw
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States2053 Posts
January 16 2012 16:54 GMT
#392
This often does not work and I really have noticed that Korean players often do not fully understand what it takes to be a marketable player who would appeal to sponsors in the foreign scene. They hear about some players getting a lot of money I.E. HuK, Idra, and NaNiwa and they then feel that oh, I'm better then them or at least their level so I deserve as much money as them as well. This sadly is not how e-sports works and although you may be talented, if you do not stream, have no fanbase, do not have an interesting personality, and do not speak English, you will not be picked up (for high amounts of money) in a foreign team.
https://twitter.com/quanticfograw
HyTex
Profile Joined August 2011
United States67 Posts
January 16 2012 16:56 GMT
#393
This thread is a great example of why 99.9% of the fan base should never go pro.

You work 12 hours a day, 7 days a week for less than Federal Minimum Wage. Working at McDonald's is literally a better life than progaming, unless you're one of the 0.0001% of the populace that makes it to super-stardom.
iiGreetings
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada563 Posts
January 16 2012 17:00 GMT
#394
Golden is a good player, compared to dragon IMO. Golden was good in fou aswell so he seems to have team hopped quite a bit. Nonetheless gl!!
Adapt and React I MKP, PartinG, EffOrt ♥
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15723 Posts
January 16 2012 17:01 GMT
#395
On January 17 2012 01:56 HyTex wrote:
This thread is a great example of why 99.9% of the fan base should never go pro.

You work 12 hours a day, 7 days a week for less than Federal Minimum Wage. Working at McDonald's is literally a better life than progaming, unless you're one of the 0.0001% of the populace that makes it to super-stardom.

A lot of pros interviews have said that the ability to travel around the world is a big reason its worth it. I know that people such as Darkforce take the time to enjoy the area whenever they go to tournaments. Supporting your ability to travel around the world by playing video games is a really appetizing concept for a lot of people.
Alisera
Profile Joined June 2011
United States71 Posts
January 16 2012 17:03 GMT
#396
On January 17 2012 01:56 HyTex wrote:
This thread is a great example of why 99.9% of the fan base should never go pro.

You work 12 hours a day, 7 days a week for less than Federal Minimum Wage. Working at McDonald's is literally a better life than progaming, unless you're one of the 0.0001% of the populace that makes it to super-stardom.


Yes, this thread is making me feel really bad for those threads I see about "I'm going pro, guys" when they are only in diamond or something and they are talking about leaving school. It seems way harder than I thought to actually make it and there really isn't any money in it. You also seem to need two things - raw talent and marketability. Someone should warn kids not to quit school or leave school or even put it off to be a pro unless you have stephano-like results and can financially rationalize putting off your school/real career for a year or two. I understand chasing a dream, but I think you have to be honest if you can do the dream or not.
bLooD.
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany470 Posts
January 16 2012 17:04 GMT
#397
Thanks Xeris for shining some light on player wages. Hope you don´t in any trouble because of it.

ishboh
Profile Joined October 2010
United States954 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-16 17:05:51
January 16 2012 17:05 GMT
#398
these numbers for salaries aren't too surprising, I had pretty much surmised the approximate values that sc2 players looked for. I am glad that xeris said something that helped us understand that gaming is not a glamorous life, but it is still quite nice. he probably should have left names out but meh.
sVnteen
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2238 Posts
January 16 2012 17:05 GMT
#399
On January 17 2012 01:56 HyTex wrote:
This thread is a great example of why 99.9% of the fan base should never go pro.

You work 12 hours a day, 7 days a week for less than Federal Minimum Wage. Working at McDonald's is literally a better life than progaming, unless you're one of the 0.0001% of the populace that makes it to super-stardom.

the point of being a progamer is not to make a lot of money but to make a lot of expriences , get to travel all over the world and make some connections so you can maybe later even get a job in the buisness
most pros just take some years off between university and work and live their dream for some years
MY LIFE STARTS NOW ♥
Xalorian
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada433 Posts
January 16 2012 17:12 GMT
#400
On January 17 2012 01:56 HyTex wrote:
This thread is a great example of why 99.9% of the fan base should never go pro.

You work 12 hours a day, 7 days a week for less than Federal Minimum Wage. Working at McDonald's is literally a better life than progaming, unless you're one of the 0.0001% of the populace that makes it to super-stardom.


I don't think that any one going pro (someone that have the skill to do it, not someone who just dream to and is like plat) is doing it to earn a shit ton of money. That would be retarded. We pretty much all know that this is not paid that well. Still, most people who aim for that are doing it to earn a living from what they like the most.

If you don't "love" to go to tournamenet, to play, to train, to compete... if it's a "job" for you, and not a hobby that you are actually so good that you are paid to do it, to entertain people with you skills, then obviously don't go pro.

And it's not that hard to go back to school if you are 18-21 and pro-gaming is not working that well for you.


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