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Melchior
Profile Joined January 2011
United States112 Posts
January 16 2012 17:18 GMT
#401
On January 17 2012 00:31 FallDownMarigold wrote:
Nope. Merely that it's pretty lacking in professionalism.


Any professional organization that didn't want salaries/trade secrets shared would have had people sign NDAs and pay them...
Headnoob
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia2108 Posts
January 16 2012 17:19 GMT
#402
No offence to golden but jesus christ he isn't worth much, at least he's trying though.
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
January 16 2012 17:22 GMT
#403
On January 17 2012 01:56 HyTex wrote:
This thread is a great example of why 99.9% of the fan base should never go pro.

You work 12 hours a day, 7 days a week for less than Federal Minimum Wage. Working at McDonald's is literally a better life than progaming, unless you're one of the 0.0001% of the populace that makes it to super-stardom.

What's the difference between esports and regular sports or entertainment industry then?
Just like those, esports industry is a seletive market, you can't guarantee what you can make and only a handful of people can make it out of thousands of people. There's nothing wrong with trying to go to your dream or something for a year or so, it's not like youth nowaday (around 20s) have big thing to do or great job that can change the world or something.
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
January 16 2012 17:25 GMT
#404
The OP should probably be edited with the statement that Dragon is turning from progamer --> Working full time and playing casually.
CallousCarter
Profile Joined December 2011
United Kingdom81 Posts
January 16 2012 17:26 GMT
#405
What is it about foreign teams that is attracting so many korean pros? The salary? It's a bit of an exodus at the moment...
voy
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland348 Posts
January 16 2012 17:27 GMT
#406
Maybe SK Gaming gonna sign them, they could be lethal training with MC in the same house.
I'm a man with a dream. And I look good in jeans. graphic designer looking for freelance work.
AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
January 16 2012 17:27 GMT
#407
This is a trend that probably needs stopping. A lot of these Koreans think they will get paid massive salaries on foreign teams and thus leave their fantastic Korean team.
Unfortunately, this is like sinking your own ship and waiting around for a luxury cruise ship to save you. It's not going to happen. They probably should lower their expectations but the best decision would have been to stay on their own teams.
"How are you?" "I am fine, because it is not normal to scream in pain."
Awatsu
Profile Joined November 2010
173 Posts
January 16 2012 17:27 GMT
#408
Why this secretism about players salary?? sotg 60 or kennigit in this thread.
I'm not saying we must know how much does each player earn, but why the fuck xeris can't release info?
Noro
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada991 Posts
January 16 2012 17:31 GMT
#409
Don't really know Golden, but love Dragon <3 Good luck!
Talk not to me of blasphemy, man; I'd strike the sun if it insulted me.
BeginninG
Profile Joined November 2011
United States3 Posts
January 16 2012 17:32 GMT
#410
Dragon stopped playing sc2 professionally??????
Rawr and such...
Xxavi
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1248 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-16 17:37:14
January 16 2012 17:36 GMT
#411
I like when everything is transparent, including eSports. Why is it "too early to release that kind of information"? Is it an excuse for not being transparent? I am not going to say dirty or illegal, but if you were to consider SC2 to be sports and a job, and if they don't pay minimum wage, it might as well be illegal.

If anything, tax info, salaries etc. should be available for transparency reasons. Now, you might not make it official how much each player earns, but somebody has to know it, and people knowing the range doesn't hurt.

What Xeris did may not be seen as something good by those particular players (Sangho and Sleep) or Fnatic, but this kind of info should be official somewhere, even if fans don't know.
vnlegend
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1389 Posts
January 16 2012 17:38 GMT
#412
Ya. Poor uninformed Koreans. They're gonna leave their teams and can't get into any decent paying foreign ones. Then they'll probably get low-balled and have to join some low-level team for a tiny salary. Then as their skills and confidence deteriorates, that's the end of their gaming career.
Marines > everything
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
January 16 2012 17:40 GMT
#413
Was Dragon ever on the team? I though he was just part of the clan? I also thought he didn't really participate in any tournaments was more of a streamer than a pro. Anyways, good luck to both.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Kmonx
Profile Joined October 2011
United States102 Posts
January 16 2012 17:43 GMT
#414
Best of luck to the both of them.
"Megapigs can fly, with Void Rays in the sky." - Day[9]
jax1492
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1632 Posts
January 16 2012 17:43 GMT
#415
wow ... i was expencting dragon to move into the slayers house soon, hope he gets a new team.
dementrio
Profile Joined November 2010
678 Posts
January 16 2012 17:43 GMT
#416
it's not as easy as saying "try it out for 1 year, if it doesn't work out it's not that hard to go back to school"

After graduating I spent 2 years playing poker as a professional. Then I decided I wasn't good enough and started looking for a real job.

I have a degree with honors in engineering. With that, I spent 1 year unemployed and actively looking for a job. The one I ended up accepting is nowhere near as good as a job you'd expect to get with straight As in engineering. A two year hole in your resume is huge.

If you spend a few years doing something unmarketable, when looking for a job you will be competing against people with a few years more experience than you, all else being equal.

Of course it's perfectly reasonable to argue that 2 years is not that big of a deal, if you don't live the dream when you're 20 when will you? but unfortunately, that's not the way the world works.
Xxavi
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1248 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-16 18:48:47
January 16 2012 17:44 GMT
#417
On January 17 2012 02:38 vnlegend wrote:
Ya. Poor uninformed Koreans. They're gonna leave their teams and can't get into any decent paying foreign ones. Then they'll probably get low-balled and have to join some low-level team for a tiny salary. Then as their skills and confidence deteriorates, that's the end of their gaming career.

Agree with this, too.

These Korean kids better talk to some others who have made this mistake before. Talk and learn what are the conditions before making a mistake. In fact, it's best if they negotiate conditions and contract before leaving their current teams.
atmuh
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States246 Posts
January 16 2012 17:46 GMT
#418
On January 17 2012 02:22 canikizu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 01:56 HyTex wrote:
This thread is a great example of why 99.9% of the fan base should never go pro.

You work 12 hours a day, 7 days a week for less than Federal Minimum Wage. Working at McDonald's is literally a better life than progaming, unless you're one of the 0.0001% of the populace that makes it to super-stardom.

What's the difference between esports and regular sports or entertainment industry then?
Just like those, esports industry is a seletive market, you can't guarantee what you can make and only a handful of people can make it out of thousands of people. There's nothing wrong with trying to go to your dream or something for a year or so, it's not like youth nowaday (around 20s) have big thing to do or great job that can change the world or something.

theres a minimum pay in most professional sports that is a very good salary and the players go to college for something else while playing so if they dont make it into the pros they already have the means to take their career in a different direction
colate
Profile Joined April 2011
Norway121 Posts
January 16 2012 17:50 GMT
#419
As many people have pointed out, some koreans are just expecting too much. The grass won't be greener on the other side if they just want to cross it. They haven't achieved anything, at all. I wouldn't count teamleagues at all. If they're not Code A atleast, I dont see foreigners invest in a korean (I know there are some exceptions like DRG tearing GSTL apart when he was Code B, and HerO on oGs)
Steelo_Rivers
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1968 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-16 17:58:29
January 16 2012 17:51 GMT
#420
On January 17 2012 02:12 Xalorian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2012 01:56 HyTex wrote:
This thread is a great example of why 99.9% of the fan base should never go pro.

You work 12 hours a day, 7 days a week for less than Federal Minimum Wage. Working at McDonald's is literally a better life than progaming, unless you're one of the 0.0001% of the populace that makes it to super-stardom.


I don't think that any one going pro (someone that have the skill to do it, not someone who just dream to and is like plat) is doing it to earn a shit ton of money. That would be retarded. We pretty much all know that this is not paid that well. Still, most people who aim for that are doing it to earn a living from what they like the most.

If you don't "love" to go to tournamenet, to play, to train, to compete... if it's a "job" for you, and not a hobby that you are actually so good that you are paid to do it, to entertain people with you skills, then obviously don't go pro.

And it's not that hard to go back to school if you are 18-21 and pro-gaming is not working that well for you.



Funny thing is... Im 18, Ive worked at mcdonalds (I hated it..), Im in plat league, and I train everyday for long hours with hopes of becoming a progamer soon. I guess I should find a gun and shoot myself right?
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