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dearyuna
United States322 Posts
On January 17 2012 04:09 VirgilSC2 wrote: Dragon is not and will not ever be a competitive player. Just because he said that he was focusing on non-competitive play for now does not mean he won't return to the scene. We'll see what happens. | ||
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CallousCarter
United Kingdom81 Posts
On January 17 2012 04:08 dearyuna wrote: I believe both players are looking for more support to further progress their skills, and it's kind of true that American teams are more accomodating in that sense. For all Dragon fans who are tweeting him - Dragon has confirmed that he will continue streaming, on TwitchTV. Hope this helps. *Foreign not American... | ||
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Spicy_Curry
United States10573 Posts
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On January 17 2012 04:12 dearyuna wrote: Just because he said that he was focusing on non-competitive play for now does not mean he won't return to the scene. We'll see what happens. I suggest you read up on the Dragon scandal before saying that. | ||
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dearyuna
United States322 Posts
Edited, are you happy now? And Curry, would you stay in a team that doesn't support you, regardless of their reputation? And I did read the Dragon scandal. Although he has stated in the past that he would not compete, he has made showings since then. All I'm trying to say is that you never know. If you don't support him, that's fine. | ||
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Chaosvuistje
Netherlands2581 Posts
 Especially Dragon.Believe it or not, I don't mind some progamers giving it up for a prospect in another area ^^. | ||
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Rabbet
Canada404 Posts
Starcraft 2 teams, tournaments and sponsors should shift focus away from individual players and put the focus into the teams with team play. It makes zero sense to invest thousands of dollars into individuals that can leave the team after their contract is up, can say stupid things like "joke tournament" live in front of thousands of viewers, can run a stream drunk while fondling a pornstar, can have zero results or potential of winning and the list can go on and on. Sure people want to connect to players they enjoy watching, but it makes no sense for the business model to accept the risk and put the egg in one basket with these guys. They are young and most of them are stupid so why try to create "heros" when you can create long term brands that actually pay off the investment over the long term? Look at any major sporting organization and you will find yes there is a desire to hire top talent, but it is not the primary goal of the business. The primary goal of the business is to become sustainable and create a brand that has value. If you link all your brand's value to one or two players there is in fact very little value to your organization as soon as those one or two players leave. The type of model where there are 'hero" players and "personality" players also lessens the competition and degrades the quality of the product that major tournaments deliver to the consumers. The MLG, IPL, NASL etc all had so many low quality players seeded into the upper bracket, we know them to be low quality players that had no chance but they were there playing anyway. Why? Does the NFL let just anyone one who can catch a ball onto the field? The NFL knows it would be suicide for the league to dress any players but the best. Going to team play would also open doors to more color commentating about the strategies used by the teams: which player are they going to pick? this is there strongest TvZ specialist this was a good choice... an all kill... etc, it would add a dimension to the game and tournaments that isn't there now. Also, right now we get to watch tournaments where the top players might be jet lagged, might be unpracticed, might not be there, might get all-in'd vs a weak oppenent in an early round. Team play would even out the results and keep people interested if their "hero" doesn't make a showing. Create fans of the teams, not fans of the players. | ||
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Qntc.YuMe
United States792 Posts
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Crownlol
United States3726 Posts
On January 17 2012 04:23 Rabbet wrote: I'll say it again. Starcraft 2 teams, tournaments and sponsors should shift focus away from individual players and put the focus into the teams with team play. It makes zero sense to invest thousands of dollars into individuals that can leave the team after their contract is up, can say stupid things like "joke tournament" live in front of thousands of viewers, can run a stream drunk while fondling a pornstar, can have zero results or potential of winning and the list can go on and on. Sure people want to connect to players they enjoy watching, but it makes no sense for the business model to accept the risk and put the egg in one basket with these guys. They are young and most of them are stupid so why try to create "heros" when you can create long term brands that actually pay off the investment over the long term? Look at any major sporting organization and you will find yes there is a desire to hire top talent, but it is not the primary goal of the business. The primary goal of the business is to become sustainable and create a brand that has value. If you link all your brand's value to one or two players there is in fact very little value to your organization as soon as those one or two players leave. The type of model where there are 'hero" players and "personality" players also lessens the competition and degrades the quality of the product that major tournaments deliver to the consumers. The MLG, IPL, NASL etc all had so many low quality players seeded into the upper bracket, we know them to be low quality players that had no chance but they were there playing anyway. Why? Does the NFL let just anyone one who can catch a ball onto the field? The NFL knows it would be suicide for the league to dress any players but the best. Going to team play would also open doors to more color commentating about the strategies used by the teams: which player are they going to pick? this is there strongest TvZ specialist this was a good choice... an all kill... etc, it would add a dimension to the game and tournaments that isn't there now. Also, right now we get to watch tournaments where the top players might be jet lagged, might be unpracticed, might not be there, might get all-in'd vs a weak oppenent in an early round. Team play would even out the results and keep people interested if their "hero" doesn't make a showing. Create fans of the teams, not fans of the players. This is both true and untrue at the same time. Every professional team has its "heroes", its flagship players (the Payton Manning, the Tom Brady), but it also sells merchandise on a team level. Frankly, I enjoyed watching the IPL Team Arena even more than any particular tournament this year. Flagship players got to show their worth, and lesser-known players were able to shine as well. If teams could stabilize rosters and have a reliable brand/dynasty to grow, they'd be far more lucrative and successful in the long term. To this end, look at Team Liquid. Look at its brand! Team Liquid hosts an amazingly active community site, and participates heavily in the progaming scene. Because of this brand, I read Zenio's bio despite knowing nothing about the player previously. Now, I'd consider myself a Zenio fan. I probably wouldn't have given many fucks if Zenio had signed with, i don't know, StarTale. I have a TL shirt, but I definitely don't own any Quantic memorabilia (although, hold on, googling EG shirts). I absolutely agree with growing and establishing a team as a brand, but every team has flagship players, who win and command, and they are more valuable. I'm sure that TL pays more to HerO and Puma than to HayprO (sorry haypro <3). | ||
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
On January 17 2012 04:14 VirgilSC2 wrote: I suggest you read up on the Dragon scandal before saying that. But maybe in foreign tournaments? | ||
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skatblast
United States784 Posts
On January 16 2012 18:59 Jojo131 wrote: Or you know, hopes of supporting a family one day... Kinda hard to do on 20k/yr, not impossible though, but I imagine its kinda hard. i know! the thougth of your wife actually supporting the family to is astonishing!! | ||
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cutler
Germany609 Posts
Look at Dimaga, TT1 etc...nobody cares anymore about their background since they promised to change...and to be honest i believe them. So i see now reason besides his full time work not to join a good team in EU or NA. | ||
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Rabbet
Canada404 Posts
On January 17 2012 04:43 Crownlol wrote: This is both true and untrue at the same time. Every professional team has its "heroes", its flagship players (the Payton Manning, the Tom Brady), but it also sells merchandise on a team level. Frankly, I enjoyed watching the IPL Team Arena even more than any particular tournament this year. Flagship players got to show their worth, and lesser-known players were able to shine as well. If teams could stabilize rosters and have a reliable brand/dynasty to grow, they'd be far more lucrative and successful in the long term. To this end, look at Team Liquid. Look at its brand! Team Liquid hosts an amazingly active community site, and participates heavily in the progaming scene. Because of this brand, I read Zenio's bio despite knowing nothing about the player previously. Now, I'd consider myself a Zenio fan. I probably wouldn't have given many fucks if Zenio had signed with, i don't know, StarTale. I have a TL shirt, but I definitely don't own any Quantic memorabilia (although, hold on, googling EG shirts). I absolutely agree with growing and establishing a team as a brand, but every team has flagship players, who win and command, and they are more valuable. I'm sure that TL pays more to HerO and Puma than to HayprO (sorry haypro <3). IPL Team Arena kicks ass IMO. True they have hero players, but those players also eat away at the salary pool the teams have to play with thus becoming less desirable. The NFL has created a very competitive league by focusing less on stars and more on having well rounded rosters. Football is unique in that there is actually a real opportunity to create a star quarterback and have huge success or failure depending on circumstances. Other sports such as hockey depend greatly on a well rounded roster and when Sydney Crosby was injured(still is?) the whole team didn't collapse because Sydney Crosby is not the single cornerstone of the organization. As far as Team Liquid goes, I agree their brand is huge but it is being nibbled away piece at a time by lack luster performances of the players(sans the Koreans). Team Liquid is able to sustain losses to the quality of its roster because it also hosts the largest Starcraft community on the internet and that brings in add revenue. If Team Liquid was just a pro team without the website without huge traffic it would be struggling to survive and maintain sponsorship. Also its a joke they say they won't ever cut a player because they lack results. If esports is going to be serious in the future it cannot be built upon the foundation of team owners hiring their buddies to play in competition. Put 5(different) guys up against Mous in a team challenge and we will see who should be nominated/named team of the year... Make way for the talent. | ||
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rkshox
Taiwan536 Posts
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masterbreti
Korea (South)2711 Posts
On January 17 2012 05:02 cutler wrote: Dragon scandal...sorry i had to laugh hard. Nobody is caring in the foreign scene about that. Look at Dimaga, TT1 etc...nobody cares anymore about their background since they promised to change...and to be honest i believe them. So i see now reason besides his full time work not to join a good team in EU or NA. you should see half the threads TT1 posts in get huge amounts of flaming towards him. Most of the community has forgiven him, but a lot of people just want to hate, he usally gets at least 5-6 people every thread flaming him. they often get warned or banned. | ||
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Sphen5117
United States413 Posts
Fuck you're right. I confused him with Puzzle. Who's a dipshit? This guy. Although, he did make it to Code A, and the same idea stands, just to a lesser extent. | ||
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TT1
Canada9987 Posts
On January 17 2012 05:02 cutler wrote: Dragon scandal...sorry i had to laugh hard. Nobody is caring in the foreign scene about that. Look at Dimaga, TT1 etc...nobody cares anymore about their background since they promised to change...and to be honest i believe them. So i see now reason besides his full time work not to join a good team in EU or NA. no one cares about my background? are u fucking serious? LOL | ||
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BreakeR.
Austria220 Posts
 GL both! | ||
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ixi.genocide
United States981 Posts
On January 16 2012 19:45 Seraphone wrote: Graduate job as in banks, insurance companys, marketing companys etc.. just take on graduates of any serious degree to different kind of office work. If you graduate in a really specific field like Medicine, Law, Accountancy, Nursing etc.. it obviously has it's own pay scales. The comparison doesn't really work so well for Europe to US because in the US the rich make a lot more and the poor make a lot less. There's a lot less wealth inequality in Europe. This is complete crap btw. The middle class in US might be getting smaller but it is still a lot better than UK | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On January 17 2012 06:56 mTwTT1 wrote: no one cares about my background? are u fucking serious? LOL I bet its 1024x768. AWWWW SHEEEET | ||
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