EPThahah i c what u did there.
golden and dragon will find a team, no problem.
Golden and Dragon leave SlayerS - Page 24
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Marcus420
Canada1923 Posts
hahah i c what u did there. golden and dragon will find a team, no problem. | ||
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
The number of players that make over 500 a month is really just a handful, surely less than like...50 foreigner SC2 players make more than 500 a month, and that's a pretty generous estimate I would say. Asking for 1500 for a second level Korean player is NOT worth its value. Just imagine paying them, even the more standard 500 a month, and then 1.5-2k worth of accommodations per foreigner event you want to send them to. Lets say you send a Golden to MLG, on top of the 6k a year you're spending, you'd like to send him to 12k worth of MLG's, well there's your minimum wage of 18k a year working full time 40 hours a week 50 weeks a year. Now what happens when some Korean player goes to MLG. At best he'll make it out of open bracket and get a decent run that'll plant him...maybe top 8ish, if he's lucky. But to get the value out of the ENORMOUS investment, he would have to win or place top 2/3. Ideally multiple times. I don't know what the following players make, but I would say that Ret and TLO are a significantly more marketable investment than Hero or Zenio, even given results, same with Huk and Idra over Puma or JYP. Maybe their salaries justify that, maybe not. If these Korean players think "oh its no problem that I can leave the team house, foreign teams will want me so badly, I mean they signed players I'm better than like Check, that means they'll want to come to me and pay me lots of money to go to big money foreign events which are easier than GSL". Yet through it all you can't market a player like Golden, he doesn't have a huge fan base nor audience. | ||
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Campitor
36 Posts
As far as making money or having a career vs being a progamer - I think it's about what you save and not what you earn and how hard you work for what you want in a focused manner. I know a guy with 2 very marketable degrees and he is living out of his car and I know another guy who only completed highschool but owns his own home and works in a high paying technical position. There are many paths to making money and not all of them need a college degree. You are a failure or a success by how you define your goals and not what others think you should do. Look at Steve Jobs and Bill Gates - neither finished college and both marched to the beat of their own drums - and they became some of the wealthiest men on earth. I will end with a quote from Teddy Roosevelt: It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. | ||
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BlueBoxSC
United States582 Posts
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
Teams need to improve their PR, whether that means paying a guy who will inevitably live in the shadows that raises up the brand recognition and name recognition of your team and players, its a more worthy investment, one that'll pay more for every player and team that he can raise up. Smaller teams do an awful job of getting PR and publicity work done. If you're going to pay 500 a month to a player that sits there quietly producing halfway decent results well what happens when you pay only 3 players instead of 5 players that salary, and you spend just 200 a month on a PR guy. Guess what, that one guy makes those 3 players worth their 500 a month, and you're still cutting 800/month worth of bad investing. I don't mean to call out small teams individually but they really need to step their games up. If you are worth the marketing dollars that you're getting in any ways from your sponsors, or even if you're paying these salaries out of pocket, you need to improve your teams name recognition then, over your players. And get your players to raise the sponsors names, or the team names. "I'd like to thank my team evil geniuses and their sponsors, intel steelseries kingston hyperx monster energy beyond gaming inwin blahblah" Guess what guys, hundreds of thousands of ears have heard those shoutouts, thousands of you will have memorized those names, and when you see a monster energy at a 7-11 you think "oh those are the guys that sponsor EG". EVEN IF you don't buy that product, you made the association. What if I told you that Vile was sponsored by Razer, and that ItsGosu is sponsored by Steelseries. Do you ever associate those companies with them? No, you think Razer sponsors Boxer and Slayers and Teamliquid, Steelseries sponsors EG. PR is more valuable than keeping the players. If your player is asking for 500 a month well tell them if another team is paying them that, then they can go to that team, because inevitably if a team isn't making that 500/month worth it, that team will die out, and that player will be on the market again in the future. | ||
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RusHXceL
United States1004 Posts
On January 16 2012 16:45 Diamond wrote: Wow those are pretty high numbers. 0_o Anyone that pays $3k for SangHo is out of their minds. lol i hope that 3k goes to 100 years and produce good results lol | ||
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dementrio
678 Posts
since everything esports is based on sponsorships, and noone would talk about what kind of money really is behind all this, it's impossible to judge what a player has to do to generate positive ROI for the team. it's even harder to guess the return for the sponsors. I doubt winning an mlg, or even a gsl, is enough to justify a 20k salary though. | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On January 17 2012 05:02 cutler wrote: Dragon scandal...sorry i had to laugh hard. Nobody is caring in the foreign scene about that. Look at Dimaga, TT1 etc...nobody cares anymore about their background since they promised to change...and to be honest i believe them. So i see now reason besides his full time work not to join a good team in EU or NA. Considering his "promise to change" was to never play competitively again, I think people would care. | ||
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desRow
Canada2654 Posts
On January 17 2012 01:29 KeyHunt wrote: It doesn't matter what you; or anyone else considers "alot". What matters is what the community can support. What do you honestly think organizations get from sponsors? Golden doubloons? That is some organizations entire monthly budget...if you're lucky..and most players asking for that much are simply not worth it. Travel expenses....from Korea. Not exactly a drop in a bucket. compared to 1500$ that sleep was asking or 3000$/mo that killer is asking its nothing being at offline events > dumping money for a salary from a sponsor's POV imho | ||
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dearyuna
United States322 Posts
On January 17 2012 07:39 VirgilSC2 wrote: Considering his "promise to change" was to never play competitively again, I think people would care. Well considering he's already rescinded his statement, I think you should get over it. What's the point of arguing whether or not people will care. Maybe you won't care but there are plently of people who will. I don't understand why people bother to hold a grudge over one mistake. If he proves his worth by competing fairly, I think that should more than compensate for it. edit Like you said, Dragon stated he wasn't going to return to professional gaming, so why are you getting so worked up for. :\ | ||
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GohgamX
Canada1096 Posts
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Zorgaz
Sweden2951 Posts
Anyway, Good luck guys! | ||
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Steelo_Rivers
United States1968 Posts
On January 17 2012 07:39 VirgilSC2 wrote: Considering his "promise to change" was to never play competitively again, I think people would care. Quit being such a dick and give the man a chance. Also, he was "accused" of cheating, but it was never proven to be true. To be honest, if it would get the world off of my back... I wouldve probably admitted to doing something that I know I didnt do as well if I didnt feel like arguing with anyone seeing as nobody believed me anyway. | ||
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mango_destroyer
Canada3914 Posts
As for Golden, best of luck. I`d imagine it would be hard for him to find a team but he definitely has the skills, especially in the foreign scene. | ||
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Snuggles
United States1865 Posts
If the only reason why these players are leaving their teams is because of their interest in foreign they are stoopid =-=. | ||
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Mrvoodoochild1
United States1439 Posts
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SirDawid
Sweden83 Posts
I fucking love you, good night <3 | ||
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
On January 17 2012 08:19 AeroEffect wrote: To be honest, if it would get the world off of my back... I wouldve probably admitted to doing something that I know I didnt do as well if I didnt feel like arguing with anyone seeing as nobody believed me anyway. The suspect has admitted to his crimes "Oh, he's innocent. I'm sure he just admitted to something he didn't do just to get those annoying police get off his back" | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
Imagine im a team owner with a big budget and decided to make an opening offer of 2k to Sleep. Now imagine that i know exactly where his bottom line is..... On January 16 2012 16:42 Xeris wrote: I.E. I know when I was still with Fnatic, we approached Sleep, and he was asking for something in the range of $1.5k .. I know Sangho is currently looking for something along the lines of $3k . This sort of statement is literally killing esports. I'd be fucking furious if someone was discussing my price points publicly. | ||
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VeNoM HaZ Skill
United States1528 Posts
- New players are recruited based on their skill and potential. - Most new players are given a spot in the Slayers house for a month or a few (LotS). - Based on their play, rate of improvement, etc... they either become permanent or are out of the house. - New talent is brought in to replace the gaps in residency. If I remember correctly, Golden got the boot from the team house, and Dragon never actually was in the team house. It is also important to note both these players were the first few on the Slayers roster: Dragon (Mio) was picked up after WeRRa disbanded on recommendation from Cella, and Golden shortly after leaving fOu. Basically both of them weren't destined for residence in the team house and by extension, probably not getting paid travel at any point. | ||
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