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On January 17 2012 04:29 lavit2099 wrote: To start this, let me say I have nothing against TSL (or Coach Lee) and I am not an EG fanboi.
I guess it's due to the fact that I'm American, but I don't see why it's such a big deal. TSL didn't have PuMa under contract. If you WANT to keep talent, you sign the talent to a deal. Maybe it's because I grew up hearing about baseball players and football players (not "futbol" but American football) getting signed to teams for millions. You don't run a professional team on "trust and faith."
If TSL isn't a professional team, I don't understand why they were/are butthurt over the PuMa thing. People grow and change and in this case these are YOUNG people (I'm reminded of the Stephano thing) want to spread out and see other things. In MMO terms, it's like the guild you join when you hit max level that you learn how to play at cap and stuff, that trains you up BEFORE you drop and join the uber leet raiding guild. Eight times out of ten the lower tier guild understands that and there usually isn't any bad feelings. If TSL is a professional team, why didn't they sign anyone to contracts? Is it a Korean thing? Do other Korean teams base everything off "trust and faith?"
I wont comment on the "I'm American" part but i will say I vehemently disagree. As complexity have found out many professional football teams (not gridiron but the game you play primarily with your feet), sports contracts are very difficult to enforce given the international nature of the agreement and it's not worth getting into a legal battle or paying for and supporting a player who has his heart set on moving to a different club or team.The only difference here is because TSL didn't have Puma contracted EG could cut them out of the deal and avoid paying them any fees. That's pretty dirty, Tyler made a good post in the State of the game thread about how business can benefit everyone involved, this was clearly detrimental to TSL as an organisation and coach Lee pseronally.
Your raiding guild analogy is also pretty hollow. TSL weren't and aren't a casual guild, they were a professional team with a team house, a full time coach and one of the first teams to start playing all their players a salary. The only difference between them and EG is EG has more financing available and TSL didn't want to force their young and possibly naive players into potentially oppressive and ultimately unenforceable contracts which i would consider quite a noble and respectable decision. Unfortunately that came back to bite them on the arse.
EG did a lot of deplorable things in this particular instance and I don't think they should be let off because they're used to abusing/defending against a flawed litigation system.
On January 17 2012 04:29 lavit2099 wrote: To start this, let me say I have nothing against TSL (or Coach Lee) and I am not an EG fanboi.
I guess it's due to the fact that I'm American, but I don't see why it's such a big deal. TSL didn't have PuMa under contract. If you WANT to keep talent, you sign the talent to a deal. Maybe it's because I grew up hearing about baseball players and football players (not "futbol" but American football) getting signed to teams for millions. You don't run a professional team on "trust and faith."
If TSL isn't a professional team, I don't understand why they were/are butthurt over the PuMa thing. People grow and change and in this case these are YOUNG people (I'm reminded of the Stephano thing) want to spread out and see other things. In MMO terms, it's like the guild you join when you hit max level that you learn how to play at cap and stuff, that trains you up BEFORE you drop and join the uber leet raiding guild. Eight times out of ten the lower tier guild understands that and there usually isn't any bad feelings. If TSL is a professional team, why didn't they sign anyone to contracts? Is it a Korean thing? Do other Korean teams base everything off "trust and faith?"
I wont comment on the "I'm American" part but i will say I vehemently disagree. As complexity have found out many professional football teams (not gridiron but the game you play primarily with your feet), sports contracts are very difficult to enforce given the international nature of the agreement and it's not worth getting into a legal battle or paying for and supporting a player who has his heart set on moving to a different club or team.The only difference here is because TSL didn't have Puma contracted EG could cut them out of the deal and avoid paying them any fees. That's pretty dirty, Tyler made a good post in the State of the game thread about how business can benefit everyone involved, this was clearly detrimental to TSL as an organisation and coach Lee pseronally.
Your raiding guild analogy is also pretty hollow. TSL weren't and aren't a casual guild, they were a professional team with a team house, a full time coach and one of the first teams to start playing all their players a salary. The only difference between them and EG is EG has more financing available and TSL didn't want to force their young and possibly naive players into potentially oppressive and ultimately unenforceable contracts which i would consider quite a noble and respectable decision. Unfortunately that came back to bite them on the arse.
EG did a lot of deplorable things in this particular instance and I don't think they should be let off because they're used to abusing/defending against a flawed litigation system.
wait, i thought Puma and other players in the TSL at that time didn't get payed execpt for Trickster and fruitdealer? And why should EG give TSL money if there was no real contract? Isn't it then TSL's fault for not making one?
And why are non of these announcements straight up? Everyone just hypes shit up cus EG started it ? It might be epic once in a while but what's wrong with a good straight up announcement ? :p
On January 17 2012 04:29 lavit2099 wrote: To start this, let me say I have nothing against TSL (or Coach Lee) and I am not an EG fanboi.
I guess it's due to the fact that I'm American, but I don't see why it's such a big deal. TSL didn't have PuMa under contract. If you WANT to keep talent, you sign the talent to a deal. Maybe it's because I grew up hearing about baseball players and football players (not "futbol" but American football) getting signed to teams for millions. You don't run a professional team on "trust and faith."
If TSL isn't a professional team, I don't understand why they were/are butthurt over the PuMa thing. People grow and change and in this case these are YOUNG people (I'm reminded of the Stephano thing) want to spread out and see other things. In MMO terms, it's like the guild you join when you hit max level that you learn how to play at cap and stuff, that trains you up BEFORE you drop and join the uber leet raiding guild. Eight times out of ten the lower tier guild understands that and there usually isn't any bad feelings. If TSL is a professional team, why didn't they sign anyone to contracts? Is it a Korean thing? Do other Korean teams base everything off "trust and faith?"
I wont comment on the "I'm American" part but i will say I vehemently disagree. As complexity have found out many professional football teams (not gridiron but the game you play primarily with your feet), sports contracts are very difficult to enforce given the international nature of the agreement and it's not worth getting into a legal battle or paying for and supporting a player who has his heart set on moving to a different club or team.The only difference here is because TSL didn't have Puma contracted EG could cut them out of the deal and avoid paying them any fees. That's pretty dirty, Tyler made a good post in the State of the game thread about how business can benefit everyone involved, this was clearly detrimental to TSL as an organisation and coach Lee pseronally.
Your raiding guild analogy is also pretty hollow. TSL weren't and aren't a casual guild, they were a professional team with a team house, a full time coach and one of the first teams to start playing all their players a salary. The only difference between them and EG is EG has more financing available and TSL didn't want to force their young and possibly naive players into potentially oppressive and ultimately unenforceable contracts which i would consider quite a noble and respectable decision. Unfortunately that came back to bite them on the arse.
EG did a lot of deplorable things in this particular instance and I don't think they should be let off because they're used to abusing/defending against a flawed litigation system.
wait, i thought Puma and other players in the TSL at that time didn't get payed execpt for Trickster and fruitdealer? And why should EG give TSL money if there was no real contract? Isn't it then TSL's fault for not making one?
I think the issue was rather that EG didnt communicate with TSL at all than not paying for Puma.
On January 17 2012 04:29 lavit2099 wrote: To start this, let me say I have nothing against TSL (or Coach Lee) and I am not an EG fanboi.
I guess it's due to the fact that I'm American, but I don't see why it's such a big deal. TSL didn't have PuMa under contract. If you WANT to keep talent, you sign the talent to a deal. Maybe it's because I grew up hearing about baseball players and football players (not "futbol" but American football) getting signed to teams for millions. You don't run a professional team on "trust and faith."
If TSL isn't a professional team, I don't understand why they were/are butthurt over the PuMa thing. People grow and change and in this case these are YOUNG people (I'm reminded of the Stephano thing) want to spread out and see other things. In MMO terms, it's like the guild you join when you hit max level that you learn how to play at cap and stuff, that trains you up BEFORE you drop and join the uber leet raiding guild. Eight times out of ten the lower tier guild understands that and there usually isn't any bad feelings. If TSL is a professional team, why didn't they sign anyone to contracts? Is it a Korean thing? Do other Korean teams base everything off "trust and faith?"
I wont comment on the "I'm American" part but i will say I vehemently disagree. As complexity have found out many professional football teams (not gridiron but the game you play primarily with your feet), sports contracts are very difficult to enforce given the international nature of the agreement and it's not worth getting into a legal battle or paying for and supporting a player who has his heart set on moving to a different club or team.The only difference here is because TSL didn't have Puma contracted EG could cut them out of the deal and avoid paying them any fees. That's pretty dirty, Tyler made a good post in the State of the game thread about how business can benefit everyone involved, this was clearly detrimental to TSL as an organisation and coach Lee pseronally.
Your raiding guild analogy is also pretty hollow. TSL weren't and aren't a casual guild, they were a professional team with a team house, a full time coach and one of the first teams to start playing all their players a salary. The only difference between them and EG is EG has more financing available and TSL didn't want to force their young and possibly naive players into potentially oppressive and ultimately unenforceable contracts which i would consider quite a noble and respectable decision. Unfortunately that came back to bite them on the arse.
EG did a lot of deplorable things in this particular instance and I don't think they should be let off because they're used to abusing/defending against a flawed litigation system.
wait, i thought Puma and other players in the TSL at that time didn't get payed execpt for Trickster and fruitdealer? And why should EG give TSL money if there was no real contract? Isn't it then TSL's fault for not making one?
It's not only about money, it's about respect. Respect is HUGE in Korean culture, and to circumvent a players coach during an acquisition is extremely disrespectful, even ignoring the business connotations of it.
On January 17 2012 04:29 lavit2099 wrote: To start this, let me say I have nothing against TSL (or Coach Lee) and I am not an EG fanboi.
I guess it's due to the fact that I'm American, but I don't see why it's such a big deal. TSL didn't have PuMa under contract. If you WANT to keep talent, you sign the talent to a deal. Maybe it's because I grew up hearing about baseball players and football players (not "futbol" but American football) getting signed to teams for millions. You don't run a professional team on "trust and faith."
If TSL isn't a professional team, I don't understand why they were/are butthurt over the PuMa thing. People grow and change and in this case these are YOUNG people (I'm reminded of the Stephano thing) want to spread out and see other things. In MMO terms, it's like the guild you join when you hit max level that you learn how to play at cap and stuff, that trains you up BEFORE you drop and join the uber leet raiding guild. Eight times out of ten the lower tier guild understands that and there usually isn't any bad feelings. If TSL is a professional team, why didn't they sign anyone to contracts? Is it a Korean thing? Do other Korean teams base everything off "trust and faith?"
I wont comment on the "I'm American" part but i will say I vehemently disagree. As complexity have found out many professional football teams (not gridiron but the game you play primarily with your feet), sports contracts are very difficult to enforce given the international nature of the agreement and it's not worth getting into a legal battle or paying for and supporting a player who has his heart set on moving to a different club or team.The only difference here is because TSL didn't have Puma contracted EG could cut them out of the deal and avoid paying them any fees. That's pretty dirty, Tyler made a good post in the State of the game thread about how business can benefit everyone involved, this was clearly detrimental to TSL as an organisation and coach Lee pseronally.
Your raiding guild analogy is also pretty hollow. TSL weren't and aren't a casual guild, they were a professional team with a team house, a full time coach and one of the first teams to start playing all their players a salary. The only difference between them and EG is EG has more financing available and TSL didn't want to force their young and possibly naive players into potentially oppressive and ultimately unenforceable contracts which i would consider quite a noble and respectable decision. Unfortunately that came back to bite them on the arse.
EG did a lot of deplorable things in this particular instance and I don't think they should be let off because they're used to abusing/defending against a flawed litigation system.
wait, i thought Puma and other players in the TSL at that time didn't get payed execpt for Trickster and fruitdealer? And why should EG give TSL money if there was no real contract? Isn't it then TSL's fault for not making one?
It's not only about money, it's about respect. Respect is HUGE in Korean culture, and to circumvent a players coach during an acquisition is extremely disrespectful, even ignoring the business connotations of it.
well, ok than i say it was highly disrespectful from coach Lee, who didn't pay his players and didn't set them under contract and than complaining about it later. I think it is just odd that so many players are leaving TSL. Sure, you can give the reasons coach Lee said, but maybe that's only one half of the story. Remember the trickster/freuitdealer incident? the drama changed 180° each time one party told their story.
On January 17 2012 04:29 lavit2099 wrote: To start this, let me say I have nothing against TSL (or Coach Lee) and I am not an EG fanboi.
I guess it's due to the fact that I'm American, but I don't see why it's such a big deal. TSL didn't have PuMa under contract. If you WANT to keep talent, you sign the talent to a deal. Maybe it's because I grew up hearing about baseball players and football players (not "futbol" but American football) getting signed to teams for millions. You don't run a professional team on "trust and faith."
If TSL isn't a professional team, I don't understand why they were/are butthurt over the PuMa thing. People grow and change and in this case these are YOUNG people (I'm reminded of the Stephano thing) want to spread out and see other things. In MMO terms, it's like the guild you join when you hit max level that you learn how to play at cap and stuff, that trains you up BEFORE you drop and join the uber leet raiding guild. Eight times out of ten the lower tier guild understands that and there usually isn't any bad feelings. If TSL is a professional team, why didn't they sign anyone to contracts? Is it a Korean thing? Do other Korean teams base everything off "trust and faith?"
I wont comment on the "I'm American" part but i will say I vehemently disagree. As complexity have found out many professional football teams (not gridiron but the game you play primarily with your feet), sports contracts are very difficult to enforce given the international nature of the agreement and it's not worth getting into a legal battle or paying for and supporting a player who has his heart set on moving to a different club or team.The only difference here is because TSL didn't have Puma contracted EG could cut them out of the deal and avoid paying them any fees. That's pretty dirty, Tyler made a good post in the State of the game thread about how business can benefit everyone involved, this was clearly detrimental to TSL as an organisation and coach Lee pseronally.
Your raiding guild analogy is also pretty hollow. TSL weren't and aren't a casual guild, they were a professional team with a team house, a full time coach and one of the first teams to start playing all their players a salary. The only difference between them and EG is EG has more financing available and TSL didn't want to force their young and possibly naive players into potentially oppressive and ultimately unenforceable contracts which i would consider quite a noble and respectable decision. Unfortunately that came back to bite them on the arse.
EG did a lot of deplorable things in this particular instance and I don't think they should be let off because they're used to abusing/defending against a flawed litigation system.
wait, i thought Puma and other players in the TSL at that time didn't get payed execpt for Trickster and fruitdealer? And why should EG give TSL money if there was no real contract? Isn't it then TSL's fault for not making one?
It's not only about money, it's about respect. Respect is HUGE in Korean culture, and to circumvent a players coach during an acquisition is extremely disrespectful, even ignoring the business connotations of it.
Pulling out the culture/respect argument is probably not the best thing to do. For every example you can find of "respect" and professionalism in Korea, you can find a million other counterexamples.
The PuMa/EG/TSL scandal, IMO, was mostly a bunch of miscommunication facilitated by PuMa. Not purposefully, of course, but PuMa was supposed to be the go-between guy, and he kind of failed at that. Whatever. It blew over.
On January 17 2012 04:29 lavit2099 wrote: To start this, let me say I have nothing against TSL (or Coach Lee) and I am not an EG fanboi.
I guess it's due to the fact that I'm American, but I don't see why it's such a big deal. TSL didn't have PuMa under contract. If you WANT to keep talent, you sign the talent to a deal. Maybe it's because I grew up hearing about baseball players and football players (not "futbol" but American football) getting signed to teams for millions. You don't run a professional team on "trust and faith."
If TSL isn't a professional team, I don't understand why they were/are butthurt over the PuMa thing. People grow and change and in this case these are YOUNG people (I'm reminded of the Stephano thing) want to spread out and see other things. In MMO terms, it's like the guild you join when you hit max level that you learn how to play at cap and stuff, that trains you up BEFORE you drop and join the uber leet raiding guild. Eight times out of ten the lower tier guild understands that and there usually isn't any bad feelings. If TSL is a professional team, why didn't they sign anyone to contracts? Is it a Korean thing? Do other Korean teams base everything off "trust and faith?"
I wont comment on the "I'm American" part but i will say I vehemently disagree. As complexity have found out many professional football teams (not gridiron but the game you play primarily with your feet), sports contracts are very difficult to enforce given the international nature of the agreement and it's not worth getting into a legal battle or paying for and supporting a player who has his heart set on moving to a different club or team.The only difference here is because TSL didn't have Puma contracted EG could cut them out of the deal and avoid paying them any fees. That's pretty dirty, Tyler made a good post in the State of the game thread about how business can benefit everyone involved, this was clearly detrimental to TSL as an organisation and coach Lee pseronally.
Your raiding guild analogy is also pretty hollow. TSL weren't and aren't a casual guild, they were a professional team with a team house, a full time coach and one of the first teams to start playing all their players a salary. The only difference between them and EG is EG has more financing available and TSL didn't want to force their young and possibly naive players into potentially oppressive and ultimately unenforceable contracts which i would consider quite a noble and respectable decision. Unfortunately that came back to bite them on the arse.
EG did a lot of deplorable things in this particular instance and I don't think they should be let off because they're used to abusing/defending against a flawed litigation system.
wait, i thought Puma and other players in the TSL at that time didn't get payed execpt for Trickster and fruitdealer? And why should EG give TSL money if there was no real contract? Isn't it then TSL's fault for not making one?
It's not only about money, it's about respect. Respect is HUGE in Korean culture, and to circumvent a players coach during an acquisition is extremely disrespectful, even ignoring the business connotations of it.
well, ok than i say it was highly disrespectful from coach Lee, who didn't pay his players and didn't set them under contract and than complaining about it later. I think it is just odd that so many players are leaving TSL. Sure, you can give the reasons coach Lee said, but maybe that's only one half of the story. Remember the trickster/freuitdealer incident? the drama changed 180° each time one party told their story.
Of course the drama changed 180 degrees because it was quickly established that FD/TricksteR had lied in their accounts....
On January 17 2012 04:29 lavit2099 wrote: To start this, let me say I have nothing against TSL (or Coach Lee) and I am not an EG fanboi.
I guess it's due to the fact that I'm American, but I don't see why it's such a big deal. TSL didn't have PuMa under contract. If you WANT to keep talent, you sign the talent to a deal. Maybe it's because I grew up hearing about baseball players and football players (not "futbol" but American football) getting signed to teams for millions. You don't run a professional team on "trust and faith."
If TSL isn't a professional team, I don't understand why they were/are butthurt over the PuMa thing. People grow and change and in this case these are YOUNG people (I'm reminded of the Stephano thing) want to spread out and see other things. In MMO terms, it's like the guild you join when you hit max level that you learn how to play at cap and stuff, that trains you up BEFORE you drop and join the uber leet raiding guild. Eight times out of ten the lower tier guild understands that and there usually isn't any bad feelings. If TSL is a professional team, why didn't they sign anyone to contracts? Is it a Korean thing? Do other Korean teams base everything off "trust and faith?"
I wont comment on the "I'm American" part but i will say I vehemently disagree. As complexity have found out many professional football teams (not gridiron but the game you play primarily with your feet), sports contracts are very difficult to enforce given the international nature of the agreement and it's not worth getting into a legal battle or paying for and supporting a player who has his heart set on moving to a different club or team.The only difference here is because TSL didn't have Puma contracted EG could cut them out of the deal and avoid paying them any fees. That's pretty dirty, Tyler made a good post in the State of the game thread about how business can benefit everyone involved, this was clearly detrimental to TSL as an organisation and coach Lee pseronally.
Your raiding guild analogy is also pretty hollow. TSL weren't and aren't a casual guild, they were a professional team with a team house, a full time coach and one of the first teams to start playing all their players a salary. The only difference between them and EG is EG has more financing available and TSL didn't want to force their young and possibly naive players into potentially oppressive and ultimately unenforceable contracts which i would consider quite a noble and respectable decision. Unfortunately that came back to bite them on the arse.
EG did a lot of deplorable things in this particular instance and I don't think they should be let off because they're used to abusing/defending against a flawed litigation system.
wait, i thought Puma and other players in the TSL at that time didn't get payed execpt for Trickster and fruitdealer? And why should EG give TSL money if there was no real contract? Isn't it then TSL's fault for not making one?
It's not only about money, it's about respect. Respect is HUGE in Korean culture, and to circumvent a players coach during an acquisition is extremely disrespectful, even ignoring the business connotations of it.
well, ok than i say it was highly disrespectful from coach Lee, who didn't pay his players and didn't set them under contract and than complaining about it later. I think it is just odd that so many players are leaving TSL. Sure, you can give the reasons coach Lee said, but maybe that's only one half of the story. Remember the trickster/freuitdealer incident? the drama changed 180° each time one party told their story.
What did you base this stupid assumption about Coach Lee not paying his players on?
On January 17 2012 02:33 VirgilSC2 wrote: PuMa: Poached by EG JYP: Left because of new, tougher practice schedule SangHo: Left because of new, tougher practice schedule
Those all seem rather harsh. Claiming a team poached a person? Did they kidnap him and prevent you from talking to him? From how I see it, as a fan on the outside, it's like any other professional sport. Players are signed to contracts. If Puma was a free agent of sorts and TSL didn't try to keep him, that's one thing. If he broke his contract when he dropped and signed with EG, that's another, but I didn't hear anything at all about that. Sounds like someone's a tad upset.
And saying that a player left because of "new, tougher practice schedule" smacks of "panties in a twist" type anger, too. Killer is a former BW pro. Most of what I hear about BW pros is that they weren't lazy because the game had such a high skill curve that you couldn't be lazy and be good at the game. And I don't think anyone who QQ's and quits because of "new, tougher practice schedule" would be able to take 3rd at HSC4. Plus, I don't think lazy people make it into Code A OR Code S all that easily.
Plus, I may be wrong, but wasn't this a Fnatic deal? Weren't they supposed to be the ones to shock and amaze us with their posting, not with the manager of ANOTHER team popping out and spoiling the surprise? Bad form, man, bad form.
I use the term "poached" rather freely because it's rather appropriate. If you go back and look at all the information about the TSL/PuMa/EG it's pretty "bad form" by EG.
As far as JYP and SangHo go, I didn't say "Left because they're lazy and worthless" or anything, I simply stated WHY they left. The only reason I put it as bluntly as I did is because I'm pretty disgusted by the amount of people pinning the situation on Coach Lee when he's actually been an amazingly nice guy about all this, agreeing to nullify contracts or sell contracts when the player decides to leave rather than keeping them around for their tenure, even in the state the team is in.
As far as this being a "Fnatic deal" so what? Most announcements get leaked ahead of time anyway. My knowledge of this information had nothing to do with me being a manager on a team. Furthermore, people already had said "Moon" for the first 10 pages before I said anything at all. I could have been a horrible person and leaked it before the hype announcement, but I kept the secret for a while out of respect.
To start this, let me say I have nothing against TSL (or Coach Lee) and I am not an EG fanboi.
I guess it's due to the fact that I'm American, but I don't see why it's such a big deal. TSL didn't have PuMa under contract. If you WANT to keep talent, you sign the talent to a deal. Maybe it's because I grew up hearing about baseball players and football players (not "futbol" but American football) getting signed to teams for millions. You don't run a professional team on "trust and faith."
If TSL isn't a professional team, I don't understand why they were/are butthurt over the PuMa thing. People grow and change and in this case these are YOUNG people (I'm reminded of the Stephano thing) want to spread out and see other things. In MMO terms, it's like the guild you join when you hit max level that you learn how to play at cap and stuff, that trains you up BEFORE you drop and join the uber leet raiding guild. Eight times out of ten the lower tier guild understands that and there usually isn't any bad feelings. If TSL is a professional team, why didn't they sign anyone to contracts? Is it a Korean thing? Do other Korean teams base everything off "trust and faith?"
And you're right, you didn't say they were lazy and worthless. You did, however, imply that they were lazy by saying that they left due to the new, tougher practice schedule. The work got tougher so they left. They didn't want to put in the extra work, so they left. If you don't want to put in the work, you're lazy. They left because they were lazy. That's more or less the thought process that went through my head when you said they left because of the new, tougher practice schedule. If you didn't mean it that way, I'd suggest trying to be a bit more PC about it (though I do hate political correctness, I like honesty).
And, again, you're right, people were saying Moon. They were speculating Moon, not confirming it, which is what you did. The fact that you confirmed it before Fnatic did, imo (feel free to disagree) is a big enough deal that it does raise into question any sort of BM from you and/or TSL about aLive leaving the team. Sort of like what FruitDealer and TricKsteR did at SC2Con. But you didn't "keep the secret due to respect" by confirming it before the team, did you?
puma was not contracted because this never came up as an issue before. you have to understand that around this time fruitdealer and tester were in their decline and puma was hands down the best player tsl offered with recent winnings(nasl). so believe it or not, coach lee believed in good faith that his players, his BEST player at that, won't run off to another team like he did. and when this happened coach lee publicly announced how pissed off he was about the whole ordeal.
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