Moon joins Fnatic.SC2 - Page 23

On January 16 2012 00:50 big_boat wrote:
I'm so god damn excited.

On January 17 2012 03:32 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Fruitdealer is a LoL pro.

On January 17 2012 03:56 krpost wrote:
If they steal aLive from TSL i will absolutely hate Fnatic with a passion. TSL is an awesome Team.

On January 17 2012 03:57 lavit2099 wrote:


Those all seem rather harsh. Claiming a team poached a person? Did they kidnap him and prevent you from talking to him? From how I see it, as a fan on the outside, it's like any other professional sport. Players are signed to contracts. If Puma was a free agent of sorts and TSL didn't try to keep him, that's one thing. If he broke his contract when he dropped and signed with EG, that's another, but I didn't hear anything at all about that. Sounds like someone's a tad upset.

And saying that a player left because of "new, tougher practice schedule" smacks of "panties in a twist" type anger, too. Killer is a former BW pro. Most of what I hear about BW pros is that they weren't lazy because the game had such a high skill curve that you couldn't be lazy and be good at the game. And I don't think anyone who QQ's and quits because of "new, tougher practice schedule" would be able to take 3rd at HSC4. Plus, I don't think lazy people make it into Code A OR Code S all that easily.

Plus, I may be wrong, but wasn't this a Fnatic deal? Weren't they supposed to be the ones to shock and amaze us with their posting, not with the manager of ANOTHER team popping out and spoiling the surprise? Bad form, man, bad form.

On January 17 2012 03:57 lavit2099 wrote:


Those all seem rather harsh. Claiming a team poached a person? Did they kidnap him and prevent you from talking to him? From how I see it, as a fan on the outside, it's like any other professional sport. Players are signed to contracts. If Puma was a free agent of sorts and TSL didn't try to keep him, that's one thing. If he broke his contract when he dropped and signed with EG, that's another, but I didn't hear anything at all about that. Sounds like someone's a tad upset.

And saying that a player left because of "new, tougher practice schedule" smacks of "panties in a twist" type anger, too. Killer is a former BW pro. Most of what I hear about BW pros is that they weren't lazy because the game had such a high skill curve that you couldn't be lazy and be good at the game. And I don't think anyone who QQ's and quits because of "new, tougher practice schedule" would be able to take 3rd at HSC4. Plus, I don't think lazy people make it into Code A OR Code S all that easily.

Plus, I may be wrong, but wasn't this a Fnatic deal? Weren't they supposed to be the ones to shock and amaze us with their posting, not with the manager of ANOTHER team popping out and spoiling the surprise? Bad form, man, bad form.

On January 17 2012 04:08 Tera wrote:


Picture model ? :O

On January 17 2012 04:04 justsayinbro wrote:

puma was definitely poached. The only reason y coach lee lost him was because he want contracted. And eg abused this technicality but there's no other way to see it. Puma was poached in sports sense and not obviously hunting sense. Feels silly to explicitly clarify but u seemed confused.

On January 17 2012 04:05 VirgilSC2 wrote:

I use the term "poached" rather freely because it's rather appropriate. If you go back and look at all the information about the TSL/PuMa/EG it's pretty "bad form" by EG.

As far as JYP and SangHo go, I didn't say "Left because they're lazy and worthless" or anything, I simply stated WHY they left. The only reason I put it as bluntly as I did is because I'm pretty disgusted by the amount of people pinning the situation on Coach Lee when he's actually been an amazingly nice guy about all this, agreeing to nullify contracts or sell contracts when the player decides to leave rather than keeping them around for their tenure, even in the state the team is in.

As far as this being a "Fnatic deal" so what? Most announcements get leaked ahead of time anyway. My knowledge of this information had nothing to do with me being a manager on a team. Furthermore, people already had said "Moon" for the first 10 pages before I said anything at all. I could have been a horrible person and leaked it before the hype announcement, but I kept the secret for a while out of respect.

On January 17 2012 04:05 VirgilSC2 wrote:

I use the term "poached" rather freely because it's rather appropriate. If you go back and look at all the information about the TSL/PuMa/EG it's pretty "bad form" by EG.

As far as JYP and SangHo go, I didn't say "Left because they're lazy and worthless" or anything, I simply stated WHY they left. The only reason I put it as bluntly as I did is because I'm pretty disgusted by the amount of people pinning the situation on Coach Lee when he's actually been an amazingly nice guy about all this, agreeing to nullify contracts or sell contracts when the player decides to leave rather than keeping them around for their tenure, even in the state the team is in.

As far as this being a "Fnatic deal" so what? Most announcements get leaked ahead of time anyway. My knowledge of this information had nothing to do with me being a manager on a team. Furthermore, people already had said "Moon" for the first 10 pages before I said anything at all. I could have been a horrible person and leaked it before the hype announcement, but I kept the secret for a while out of respect.

On January 17 2012 04:25 masterbreti wrote:


Virgil, just out of curosity, do you know if moon will contiune his wc3 career as well as sc2. or is he done with wc3 now?

On January 17 2012 04:29 lavit2099 wrote:



To start this, let me say I have nothing against TSL (or Coach Lee) and I am not an EG fanboi.

I guess it's due to the fact that I'm American, but I don't see why it's such a big deal. TSL didn't have PuMa under contract. If you WANT to keep talent, you sign the talent to a deal. Maybe it's because I grew up hearing about baseball players and football players (not "futbol" but American football) getting signed to teams for millions. You don't run a professional team on "trust and faith."

If TSL isn't a professional team, I don't understand why they were/are butthurt over the PuMa thing. People grow and change and in this case these are YOUNG people (I'm reminded of the Stephano thing) want to spread out and see other things. In MMO terms, it's like the guild you join when you hit max level that you learn how to play at cap and stuff, that trains you up BEFORE you drop and join the uber leet raiding guild. Eight times out of ten the lower tier guild understands that and there usually isn't any bad feelings. If TSL is a professional team, why didn't they sign anyone to contracts? Is it a Korean thing? Do other Korean teams base everything off "trust and faith?"

And you're right, you didn't say they were lazy and worthless. You did, however, imply that they were lazy by saying that they left due to the new, tougher practice schedule. The work got tougher so they left. They didn't want to put in the extra work, so they left. If you don't want to put in the work, you're lazy. They left because they were lazy. That's more or less the thought process that went through my head when you said they left because of the new, tougher practice schedule. If you didn't mean it that way, I'd suggest trying to be a bit more PC about it (though I do hate political correctness, I like honesty).

And, again, you're right, people were saying Moon. They were speculating Moon, not confirming it, which is what you did. The fact that you confirmed it before Fnatic did, imo (feel free to disagree) is a big enough deal that it does raise into question any sort of BM from you and/or TSL about aLive leaving the team. Sort of like what FruitDealer and TricKsteR did at SC2Con. But you didn't "keep the secret due to respect" by confirming it before the team, did you?

On January 17 2012 04:53 trikshun wrote:
We got another video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSLxM_d4PQE

On January 17 2012 04:53 trikshun wrote:
We got another video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSLxM_d4PQE

On January 17 2012 04:55 johnnywup wrote:

in the description it says "mr bitter and rotterdam"