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On January 17 2012 05:37 VirgilSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 05:27 Hardigan wrote:On January 17 2012 05:17 VirgilSC2 wrote:On January 17 2012 05:14 Hardigan wrote:On January 17 2012 05:08 CallousCarter wrote:On January 17 2012 04:29 lavit2099 wrote:
To start this, let me say I have nothing against TSL (or Coach Lee) and I am not an EG fanboi.
I guess it's due to the fact that I'm American, but I don't see why it's such a big deal. TSL didn't have PuMa under contract. If you WANT to keep talent, you sign the talent to a deal. Maybe it's because I grew up hearing about baseball players and football players (not "futbol" but American football) getting signed to teams for millions. You don't run a professional team on "trust and faith."
If TSL isn't a professional team, I don't understand why they were/are butthurt over the PuMa thing. People grow and change and in this case these are YOUNG people (I'm reminded of the Stephano thing) want to spread out and see other things. In MMO terms, it's like the guild you join when you hit max level that you learn how to play at cap and stuff, that trains you up BEFORE you drop and join the uber leet raiding guild. Eight times out of ten the lower tier guild understands that and there usually isn't any bad feelings. If TSL is a professional team, why didn't they sign anyone to contracts? Is it a Korean thing? Do other Korean teams base everything off "trust and faith?" I wont comment on the "I'm American" part but i will say I vehemently disagree. As complexity have found out many professional football teams (not gridiron but the game you play primarily with your feet), sports contracts are very difficult to enforce given the international nature of the agreement and it's not worth getting into a legal battle or paying for and supporting a player who has his heart set on moving to a different club or team.The only difference here is because TSL didn't have Puma contracted EG could cut them out of the deal and avoid paying them any fees. That's pretty dirty, Tyler made a good post in the State of the game thread about how business can benefit everyone involved, this was clearly detrimental to TSL as an organisation and coach Lee pseronally. Your raiding guild analogy is also pretty hollow. TSL weren't and aren't a casual guild, they were a professional team with a team house, a full time coach and one of the first teams to start playing all their players a salary. The only difference between them and EG is EG has more financing available and TSL didn't want to force their young and possibly naive players into potentially oppressive and ultimately unenforceable contracts which i would consider quite a noble and respectable decision. Unfortunately that came back to bite them on the arse. EG did a lot of deplorable things in this particular instance and I don't think they should be let off because they're used to abusing/defending against a flawed litigation system. wait, i thought Puma and other players in the TSL at that time didn't get payed execpt for Trickster and fruitdealer? And why should EG give TSL money if there was no real contract? Isn't it then TSL's fault for not making one? It's not only about money, it's about respect. Respect is HUGE in Korean culture, and to circumvent a players coach during an acquisition is extremely disrespectful, even ignoring the business connotations of it. well, ok than i say it was highly disrespectful from coach Lee, who didn't pay his players and didn't set them under contract and than complaining about it later. I think it is just odd that so many players are leaving TSL. Sure, you can give the reasons coach Lee said, but maybe that's only one half of the story. Remember the trickster/freuitdealer incident? the drama changed 180° each time one party told their story. Of course the drama changed 180 degrees because it was quickly established that FD/TricksteR had lied in their accounts....
Both sides were probably lying. If you actually look back on how the "issue" was resolved, there are still a ton of holes and overall statements that were just pushed aside and left unaddressed. The parties settled on a story in the end, and we'll probably never really understand what really happened. Let it lie.
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On January 17 2012 05:42 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 05:37 VirgilSC2 wrote:On January 17 2012 05:27 Hardigan wrote:On January 17 2012 05:17 VirgilSC2 wrote:On January 17 2012 05:14 Hardigan wrote:On January 17 2012 05:08 CallousCarter wrote:On January 17 2012 04:29 lavit2099 wrote:
To start this, let me say I have nothing against TSL (or Coach Lee) and I am not an EG fanboi.
I guess it's due to the fact that I'm American, but I don't see why it's such a big deal. TSL didn't have PuMa under contract. If you WANT to keep talent, you sign the talent to a deal. Maybe it's because I grew up hearing about baseball players and football players (not "futbol" but American football) getting signed to teams for millions. You don't run a professional team on "trust and faith."
If TSL isn't a professional team, I don't understand why they were/are butthurt over the PuMa thing. People grow and change and in this case these are YOUNG people (I'm reminded of the Stephano thing) want to spread out and see other things. In MMO terms, it's like the guild you join when you hit max level that you learn how to play at cap and stuff, that trains you up BEFORE you drop and join the uber leet raiding guild. Eight times out of ten the lower tier guild understands that and there usually isn't any bad feelings. If TSL is a professional team, why didn't they sign anyone to contracts? Is it a Korean thing? Do other Korean teams base everything off "trust and faith?" I wont comment on the "I'm American" part but i will say I vehemently disagree. As complexity have found out many professional football teams (not gridiron but the game you play primarily with your feet), sports contracts are very difficult to enforce given the international nature of the agreement and it's not worth getting into a legal battle or paying for and supporting a player who has his heart set on moving to a different club or team.The only difference here is because TSL didn't have Puma contracted EG could cut them out of the deal and avoid paying them any fees. That's pretty dirty, Tyler made a good post in the State of the game thread about how business can benefit everyone involved, this was clearly detrimental to TSL as an organisation and coach Lee pseronally. Your raiding guild analogy is also pretty hollow. TSL weren't and aren't a casual guild, they were a professional team with a team house, a full time coach and one of the first teams to start playing all their players a salary. The only difference between them and EG is EG has more financing available and TSL didn't want to force their young and possibly naive players into potentially oppressive and ultimately unenforceable contracts which i would consider quite a noble and respectable decision. Unfortunately that came back to bite them on the arse. EG did a lot of deplorable things in this particular instance and I don't think they should be let off because they're used to abusing/defending against a flawed litigation system. wait, i thought Puma and other players in the TSL at that time didn't get payed execpt for Trickster and fruitdealer? And why should EG give TSL money if there was no real contract? Isn't it then TSL's fault for not making one? It's not only about money, it's about respect. Respect is HUGE in Korean culture, and to circumvent a players coach during an acquisition is extremely disrespectful, even ignoring the business connotations of it. well, ok than i say it was highly disrespectful from coach Lee, who didn't pay his players and didn't set them under contract and than complaining about it later. I think it is just odd that so many players are leaving TSL. Sure, you can give the reasons coach Lee said, but maybe that's only one half of the story. Remember the trickster/freuitdealer incident? the drama changed 180° each time one party told their story. Of course the drama changed 180 degrees because it was quickly established that FD/TricksteR had lied in their accounts.... Both sides were probably lying. If you actually look back on how the "issue" was resolved, there are still a ton of holes and overall statements that were just pushed aside and left unaddressed. The parties settled on a story in the end, and we'll probably never really understand what really happened. Let it lie.
....are we talking about the same thing here?
FD/TricksteR say they didn't get paid > TSL Expelled from SC2Con > TSL bank records checked > FD/TricksteR were paid > TSL reinstated > Apology offered to TSL
It was actually pretty straightforward.
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so i guess a relevant followup question to puma is........
did SK poach MC?
i think reis hella influenced MC in switching without ogs teams knowledge.
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On January 17 2012 05:47 justsayinbro wrote:
so i guess a relevant followup question to puma is........
did SK poach MC?
i think reis hella influenced MC in switching without ogs teams knowledge.
Try reading the thread involving mc and not this random player and you'll actually find out.
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does the stuff above even have to do with the original post...
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On January 17 2012 05:51 PanN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 05:47 justsayinbro wrote:
so i guess a relevant followup question to puma is........
did SK poach MC?
i think reis hella influenced MC in switching without ogs teams knowledge. Try reading the thread involving mc and not this random player and you'll actually find out.
didnt see much about this topic in replies for mc thread.
besides this thread diverged in discussing about puma for past 3 pages so whats the harm?
less waste of a thread space than your reply imo.
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On January 17 2012 05:45 VirgilSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 05:42 babylon wrote:On January 17 2012 05:37 VirgilSC2 wrote:On January 17 2012 05:27 Hardigan wrote:On January 17 2012 05:17 VirgilSC2 wrote:On January 17 2012 05:14 Hardigan wrote:On January 17 2012 05:08 CallousCarter wrote:On January 17 2012 04:29 lavit2099 wrote:
To start this, let me say I have nothing against TSL (or Coach Lee) and I am not an EG fanboi.
I guess it's due to the fact that I'm American, but I don't see why it's such a big deal. TSL didn't have PuMa under contract. If you WANT to keep talent, you sign the talent to a deal. Maybe it's because I grew up hearing about baseball players and football players (not "futbol" but American football) getting signed to teams for millions. You don't run a professional team on "trust and faith."
If TSL isn't a professional team, I don't understand why they were/are butthurt over the PuMa thing. People grow and change and in this case these are YOUNG people (I'm reminded of the Stephano thing) want to spread out and see other things. In MMO terms, it's like the guild you join when you hit max level that you learn how to play at cap and stuff, that trains you up BEFORE you drop and join the uber leet raiding guild. Eight times out of ten the lower tier guild understands that and there usually isn't any bad feelings. If TSL is a professional team, why didn't they sign anyone to contracts? Is it a Korean thing? Do other Korean teams base everything off "trust and faith?" I wont comment on the "I'm American" part but i will say I vehemently disagree. As complexity have found out many professional football teams (not gridiron but the game you play primarily with your feet), sports contracts are very difficult to enforce given the international nature of the agreement and it's not worth getting into a legal battle or paying for and supporting a player who has his heart set on moving to a different club or team.The only difference here is because TSL didn't have Puma contracted EG could cut them out of the deal and avoid paying them any fees. That's pretty dirty, Tyler made a good post in the State of the game thread about how business can benefit everyone involved, this was clearly detrimental to TSL as an organisation and coach Lee pseronally. Your raiding guild analogy is also pretty hollow. TSL weren't and aren't a casual guild, they were a professional team with a team house, a full time coach and one of the first teams to start playing all their players a salary. The only difference between them and EG is EG has more financing available and TSL didn't want to force their young and possibly naive players into potentially oppressive and ultimately unenforceable contracts which i would consider quite a noble and respectable decision. Unfortunately that came back to bite them on the arse. EG did a lot of deplorable things in this particular instance and I don't think they should be let off because they're used to abusing/defending against a flawed litigation system. wait, i thought Puma and other players in the TSL at that time didn't get payed execpt for Trickster and fruitdealer? And why should EG give TSL money if there was no real contract? Isn't it then TSL's fault for not making one? It's not only about money, it's about respect. Respect is HUGE in Korean culture, and to circumvent a players coach during an acquisition is extremely disrespectful, even ignoring the business connotations of it. well, ok than i say it was highly disrespectful from coach Lee, who didn't pay his players and didn't set them under contract and than complaining about it later. I think it is just odd that so many players are leaving TSL. Sure, you can give the reasons coach Lee said, but maybe that's only one half of the story. Remember the trickster/freuitdealer incident? the drama changed 180° each time one party told their story. Of course the drama changed 180 degrees because it was quickly established that FD/TricksteR had lied in their accounts.... Both sides were probably lying. If you actually look back on how the "issue" was resolved, there are still a ton of holes and overall statements that were just pushed aside and left unaddressed. The parties settled on a story in the end, and we'll probably never really understand what really happened. Let it lie. ....are we talking about the same thing here? FD/TricksteR say they didn't get paid > TSL Expelled from SC2Con > TSL bank records checked > FD/TricksteR were paid > TSL reinstated > Apology offered to TSL It was actually pretty straightforward.
Yes, we're talking about the same thing, but I don't care to argue with a fanboy about it. If you were any less biased, you'd see that there are some hanging threads that just weren't tied up and skimmed over (e.g. missing equipment, the statement that TSL is doing badly from a financial standpoint and yet is easily one of the most prosperous teams in terms of sponsors, etc.; those are the two that stand out in my mind that haven't been resolved), but nobody cares to look into them. Neither do I, for that matter. What's done is done.
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17.01.201.2 is coming?
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On January 17 2012 03:32 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Fruitdealer and TricksteR were removed because Coach Lee tried to renegotiate their salaries and began not paying them when Fruitdealer and TricksteR wouldn't show up to practice etc. Then the whole SC2Con debacle occured, etc. This was all actually pretty public. I guess you could call it over salaries, I always just tend to look at it from the other angle, especially now that TricksteR is in the Army and Fruitdealer is a LoL pro.
On January 17 2012 05:45 VirgilSC2 wrote:
....are we talking about the same thing here?
FD/TricksteR say they didn't get paid > TSL Expelled from SC2Con > TSL bank records checked > FD/TricksteR were paid > TSL reinstated > Apology offered to TSL
It was actually pretty straightforward.
Soo, I'm confused...
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On January 17 2012 05:45 VirgilSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 05:42 babylon wrote:On January 17 2012 05:37 VirgilSC2 wrote:On January 17 2012 05:27 Hardigan wrote:On January 17 2012 05:17 VirgilSC2 wrote:On January 17 2012 05:14 Hardigan wrote:On January 17 2012 05:08 CallousCarter wrote:On January 17 2012 04:29 lavit2099 wrote:
To start this, let me say I have nothing against TSL (or Coach Lee) and I am not an EG fanboi.
I guess it's due to the fact that I'm American, but I don't see why it's such a big deal. TSL didn't have PuMa under contract. If you WANT to keep talent, you sign the talent to a deal. Maybe it's because I grew up hearing about baseball players and football players (not "futbol" but American football) getting signed to teams for millions. You don't run a professional team on "trust and faith."
If TSL isn't a professional team, I don't understand why they were/are butthurt over the PuMa thing. People grow and change and in this case these are YOUNG people (I'm reminded of the Stephano thing) want to spread out and see other things. In MMO terms, it's like the guild you join when you hit max level that you learn how to play at cap and stuff, that trains you up BEFORE you drop and join the uber leet raiding guild. Eight times out of ten the lower tier guild understands that and there usually isn't any bad feelings. If TSL is a professional team, why didn't they sign anyone to contracts? Is it a Korean thing? Do other Korean teams base everything off "trust and faith?" I wont comment on the "I'm American" part but i will say I vehemently disagree. As complexity have found out many professional football teams (not gridiron but the game you play primarily with your feet), sports contracts are very difficult to enforce given the international nature of the agreement and it's not worth getting into a legal battle or paying for and supporting a player who has his heart set on moving to a different club or team.The only difference here is because TSL didn't have Puma contracted EG could cut them out of the deal and avoid paying them any fees. That's pretty dirty, Tyler made a good post in the State of the game thread about how business can benefit everyone involved, this was clearly detrimental to TSL as an organisation and coach Lee pseronally. Your raiding guild analogy is also pretty hollow. TSL weren't and aren't a casual guild, they were a professional team with a team house, a full time coach and one of the first teams to start playing all their players a salary. The only difference between them and EG is EG has more financing available and TSL didn't want to force their young and possibly naive players into potentially oppressive and ultimately unenforceable contracts which i would consider quite a noble and respectable decision. Unfortunately that came back to bite them on the arse. EG did a lot of deplorable things in this particular instance and I don't think they should be let off because they're used to abusing/defending against a flawed litigation system. wait, i thought Puma and other players in the TSL at that time didn't get payed execpt for Trickster and fruitdealer? And why should EG give TSL money if there was no real contract? Isn't it then TSL's fault for not making one? It's not only about money, it's about respect. Respect is HUGE in Korean culture, and to circumvent a players coach during an acquisition is extremely disrespectful, even ignoring the business connotations of it. well, ok than i say it was highly disrespectful from coach Lee, who didn't pay his players and didn't set them under contract and than complaining about it later. I think it is just odd that so many players are leaving TSL. Sure, you can give the reasons coach Lee said, but maybe that's only one half of the story. Remember the trickster/freuitdealer incident? the drama changed 180° each time one party told their story. Of course the drama changed 180 degrees because it was quickly established that FD/TricksteR had lied in their accounts.... Both sides were probably lying. If you actually look back on how the "issue" was resolved, there are still a ton of holes and overall statements that were just pushed aside and left unaddressed. The parties settled on a story in the end, and we'll probably never really understand what really happened. Let it lie. ....are we talking about the same thing here? FD/TricksteR say they didn't get paid > TSL Expelled from SC2Con > TSL bank records checked > FD/TricksteR were paid > TSL reinstated > Apology offered to TSL It was actually pretty straightforward.
With a signature that has "Team SCV Life #1!", you're not biased at all. First of all your accounts about the situation is missing some details.. FD/TrisksteR were not liking the team direction and WERE NOT paid the full amount, they had issues with this and left the team on bad terms. TSL is then expelled from SC2con because FD/Trcikster claims that they weren't fully paid, however TSL explains that they were in GENIUNE financial trouble, but so was having trouble paying salaries and funds were also on hold due to supposed lack of commitment/practice from FD/Trickster. Which led to both sides having a private discussion between players, TSL and SC2con. Team SCV Life is later reinstated into SC2con and the President of SC2con resigning because of his silly kneejerk reaction of expelling TSL without a proper investigation. However NEITHER side was in the end punished. If FD/Trickster blatently lied, I'm pretty sure they'd be punished.
Your attitute is pretty funny, because when I read PlayXP and other Korean SC2 community boards, after the orginal kneejerk reaction about Puma's departure, have a pretty positive attitude about him going to EG and think it was a great idea. There's a reason why so many Korean players are trying to sign onto foreign teams. TSL overreacted, like SC2con did when the FD/Trickster story broke out.
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On January 17 2012 05:14 Hardigan wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 05:08 CallousCarter wrote:On January 17 2012 04:29 lavit2099 wrote:
To start this, let me say I have nothing against TSL (or Coach Lee) and I am not an EG fanboi.
I guess it's due to the fact that I'm American, but I don't see why it's such a big deal. TSL didn't have PuMa under contract. If you WANT to keep talent, you sign the talent to a deal. Maybe it's because I grew up hearing about baseball players and football players (not "futbol" but American football) getting signed to teams for millions. You don't run a professional team on "trust and faith."
If TSL isn't a professional team, I don't understand why they were/are butthurt over the PuMa thing. People grow and change and in this case these are YOUNG people (I'm reminded of the Stephano thing) want to spread out and see other things. In MMO terms, it's like the guild you join when you hit max level that you learn how to play at cap and stuff, that trains you up BEFORE you drop and join the uber leet raiding guild. Eight times out of ten the lower tier guild understands that and there usually isn't any bad feelings. If TSL is a professional team, why didn't they sign anyone to contracts? Is it a Korean thing? Do other Korean teams base everything off "trust and faith?" I wont comment on the "I'm American" part but i will say I vehemently disagree. As complexity have found out many professional football teams (not gridiron but the game you play primarily with your feet), sports contracts are very difficult to enforce given the international nature of the agreement and it's not worth getting into a legal battle or paying for and supporting a player who has his heart set on moving to a different club or team.The only difference here is because TSL didn't have Puma contracted EG could cut them out of the deal and avoid paying them any fees. That's pretty dirty, Tyler made a good post in the State of the game thread about how business can benefit everyone involved, this was clearly detrimental to TSL as an organisation and coach Lee pseronally. Your raiding guild analogy is also pretty hollow. TSL weren't and aren't a casual guild, they were a professional team with a team house, a full time coach and one of the first teams to start playing all their players a salary. The only difference between them and EG is EG has more financing available and TSL didn't want to force their young and possibly naive players into potentially oppressive and ultimately unenforceable contracts which i would consider quite a noble and respectable decision. Unfortunately that came back to bite them on the arse. EG did a lot of deplorable things in this particular instance and I don't think they should be let off because they're used to abusing/defending against a flawed litigation system. wait, i thought Puma and other players in the TSL at that time didn't get payed execpt for Trickster and fruitdealer? And why should EG give TSL money if there was no real contract? Isn't it then TSL's fault for not making one? I think you're right about the first part and Trickster and Fruitdealer were the only players receiving salary at the time. However there's a plethora of reasons that EG should of cut TSL a fair deal. One it would of been better for the industry as a whole, knowing that you don't have to give players a contract and possibly have to spend serious money trying to defend or enforce said contract would be a great liberation for teams especially some of the more cash strapped and sponsor short Korean teams. It would of been better for EG, they could of forged a good business relationship with TSL potentially giving them the opportunity to acquire more players from them or send their players to train then. It could of been great for some of the infamous EG marketing spin, EG standing shoulder to shoulder with their esports entrepreneur brothers. They would of avoided the slightly nefarious reputation they gained with some people , at the moment they're often compared to the yankees. Finally it would of been morally proper to do so. The whole point of a capitalist system is when you do something good you get rewarded for it, normally a financial gain or a commodity. TSL were doing something good and they got nothing out of it, EG abused a technicality to get the cheapest deal they could.
Just because it was legal doesn't make it morally correct or practical. Saying it's TSL's fault for not having a contract is like saying if a kid in a playground gets punched in the face, it's his fault he wasn't already blocking his face.
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On January 17 2012 06:41 CallousCarter wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 05:14 Hardigan wrote:On January 17 2012 05:08 CallousCarter wrote:On January 17 2012 04:29 lavit2099 wrote:
To start this, let me say I have nothing against TSL (or Coach Lee) and I am not an EG fanboi.
I guess it's due to the fact that I'm American, but I don't see why it's such a big deal. TSL didn't have PuMa under contract. If you WANT to keep talent, you sign the talent to a deal. Maybe it's because I grew up hearing about baseball players and football players (not "futbol" but American football) getting signed to teams for millions. You don't run a professional team on "trust and faith."
If TSL isn't a professional team, I don't understand why they were/are butthurt over the PuMa thing. People grow and change and in this case these are YOUNG people (I'm reminded of the Stephano thing) want to spread out and see other things. In MMO terms, it's like the guild you join when you hit max level that you learn how to play at cap and stuff, that trains you up BEFORE you drop and join the uber leet raiding guild. Eight times out of ten the lower tier guild understands that and there usually isn't any bad feelings. If TSL is a professional team, why didn't they sign anyone to contracts? Is it a Korean thing? Do other Korean teams base everything off "trust and faith?" I wont comment on the "I'm American" part but i will say I vehemently disagree. As complexity have found out many professional football teams (not gridiron but the game you play primarily with your feet), sports contracts are very difficult to enforce given the international nature of the agreement and it's not worth getting into a legal battle or paying for and supporting a player who has his heart set on moving to a different club or team.The only difference here is because TSL didn't have Puma contracted EG could cut them out of the deal and avoid paying them any fees. That's pretty dirty, Tyler made a good post in the State of the game thread about how business can benefit everyone involved, this was clearly detrimental to TSL as an organisation and coach Lee pseronally. Your raiding guild analogy is also pretty hollow. TSL weren't and aren't a casual guild, they were a professional team with a team house, a full time coach and one of the first teams to start playing all their players a salary. The only difference between them and EG is EG has more financing available and TSL didn't want to force their young and possibly naive players into potentially oppressive and ultimately unenforceable contracts which i would consider quite a noble and respectable decision. Unfortunately that came back to bite them on the arse. EG did a lot of deplorable things in this particular instance and I don't think they should be let off because they're used to abusing/defending against a flawed litigation system. wait, i thought Puma and other players in the TSL at that time didn't get payed execpt for Trickster and fruitdealer? And why should EG give TSL money if there was no real contract? Isn't it then TSL's fault for not making one? I think you're right about the first part and Trickster and Fruitdealer were the only players receiving salary at the time. However there's a plethora of reasons that EG should of cut TSL a fair deal. One it would of been better for the industry as a whole, knowing that you don't have to give players a contract and possibly have to spend serious money trying to defend or enforce said contract would be a great liberation for teams especially some of the more cash strapped and sponsor short Korean teams. It would of been better for EG, they could o f forged a good business relationship with TSL potentially giving them the opportunity to acquire more players from them or send their players to train then. It could of been great for some of the infamous EG marketing spin, EG standing shoulder to shoulder with their esports entrepreneur brothers. They would of avoided the slightly nefarious reputation they gained with some people , at the moment they're often compared to the yankees. Just because it was legal doesn't make it morally correct or practical. Saying it's TSL's fault for not having a contract is like saying if a kid in a playground gets punched in the face, it's his fault he wasn't already blocking his face.
your reference is not correct imo. I see it more like I have a car crash with my car and die because I don't have an airbag (wierd example but I guess you get what I mean). And about morality: So EG should have gave TSL money although there was no real contract? Just like that? That would be more like donation and less like a business deal.
And better for esport is imo when Teams treat players better instead of reliance on trust. Trust won't work when the industry grows.
But back to the topic. When it is true that aLive AND Moon get signed by fanatic, why exactly do they call it "He's comming" and not "they"?
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On January 16 2012 00:54 Sawamura wrote:Looks like  LuCifer to me .....
OMG do I hope so! Prob not tho D:
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These announcements of announcements; so unnecessary and annoying!
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On January 17 2012 07:02 kyllinghest wrote:
These announcements of announcements; so unnecessary and annoying! These types of comments, so unnecessary and annoying!
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Thankfully there's only a one day wait.
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I wish they released the second trailer first! then the drawing an hour before or something! With the picture of moon posted a couple of pages back, it pretty much have to him.  So it takes the excitement away, for me at least. And I dont mind these hype things at all. ^^ Oh well.. ^^
edit; and of course if it's NOT moon somehow, this post just made someone at fnatic lol.
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On January 17 2012 05:16 Iplaythings wrote:
a little less than 23 hours to go
Who might it be..
And why are non of these announcements straight up? Everyone just hypes shit up cus EG started it ? It might be epic once in a while but what's wrong with a good straight up announcement ? :p
While we may dislike them it doesn't cost the teams anything because they are not paying money to do this or anything, also any publicity is good publicity. Just because a team might hype the shit out of something that is not really very exiting at all doesn't mean that people will actively begin to dislike that team.
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