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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On January 09 2012 13:56 BasilForSkin wrote: Are you serious? These guys are on level or better than people like MVP or ForGG. If you're not interested for that... Wow. Many of the current SC2 pros had bright futures in BW but just never really committed or got a chance before leaving. | ||
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mburke05
United States130 Posts
On January 09 2012 13:50 Warpath wrote: Yeah, a whole bunch of players above MVPs level at average, which means some will be even better. MVP was not what most ppl would consider an A-teamer. | ||
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Utinni
Canada1196 Posts
On January 09 2012 14:22 Vehemus wrote:  HyuN (BW) / HyuN (SC2) was pretty awful in BW and he qualified for Code A after playing SC2 for only a few months.I didn't really believe BW players would be able to reach the top level so fast, although I had no doubts they would be able to if they put in a ton of practice like ForGG did. After's HyuN's Code A qualification I now believe I was wrong. He beat stork a while ago... I wouldn't call him awful... He wasn't doing so well at the end... but meh. | ||
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jellyjello
Korea (South)664 Posts
On January 09 2012 14:14 jidolboy wrote: maybe because GOM has shit commentators (from what I heard, some of them were former OGN), not so good cameraman, and mainly OGN is actually a channel I like GOM's commentators. I learn quite a lot from listening to them. Gisado is a damn good strategy analyst in particular, although he talks too damn much. | ||
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Insomniac22
United States907 Posts
On January 09 2012 13:49 Elefanto wrote: I'm sorry, Dts are fairly ineffective in Sc2. tell that to inca | ||
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
On January 09 2012 14:20 eviltomahawk wrote: Eh, this is obviously exciting news for SC2 fans, but not so much for BW fans if it interferes too much with BW in a negative way. I think it's really more of an issue of over-hyping the definition of "A team pros". Objective measure of current A team pro (proleague appearance or starleague) really makes you dehype the announcement. A bw pro isn't going to be playing sc2 in practice time if they were to appear in proleague (or be submitted for the lineup to kespa for proleague. but that's my opinion). I'd say most likely is someone like  Major, who beat  BeSt in like an OSL qualifier and was on Wemade fox (now disbanded). Showed some solid play and had a decent record, and is young enough to want to continue being a progamer after Wemade disbanding. Certainly fits the 5-month profile (end of last season proleague, etc).But who's going to go crazy over some people like Major being professional sc2? Never_V_/forGG/ogsFin (whatever you want to call him) was a starleague winner and Hyun was a pretty consistent A-teamer and made group selection stages of starleagues. Players from wemade/mbc/hwaseung (like perfectman) are best bets. The announcement is misleading towards players who are even in teams to have "practice time". Unless CJ blows my mind and throws out an sc2 lineup. Idra did play sc2 in the CJ house and I didn't even know CJ (apparently) owns Gretech as posted in this thread. | ||
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TBone-
United States2309 Posts
On January 09 2012 14:27 snakeeyez wrote: Wait until all these top level A team BW pros realize in starcraft 2 they can and will have plenty of build order losses to players that never should be beating them. I still do not think any of them will dominate someone like mvp or even be significantly better. I dont see what they can do so much better then mvp or leenock to consistently win. Well for starters with mvp, he can stop queueing 3-4 scv's at each command center, stop having his money slip to 1000 before the 15 minute mark. Sure they are really good, but they are far, far away from perfect. | ||
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Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
On January 09 2012 14:21 BLinD-RawR wrote: yeah neither can I. everyone has stepped up their game this season. until a real news site like Dailyesports or fomos said so I won't take this as seriously as most people here are. Well doing badly doesn't necessarily mean they're switching. Form fluctuations are pretty standard. There are a couple that are underperforming, Mind, Action, Calm for instance while others aren't getting much TV presence anymore. But that doesn't really mean much. It's pretty useless to discuss this anyway as it's baseless assumptions without any real content. | ||
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Rostam
United States2552 Posts
On January 09 2012 14:11 AndAgain wrote: So if all the low level A teamers start switching, does that mean that BW will just have 15 players who will constantly play against each other? That would be awkward. More likely that it would spiral to the point where top BW players would have no choice but to switch in the not too distant future (assuming that what FXOBoss is saying is true.) There's been like 3 decent BW players that have switched, I think it's extremely premature to speculate that BW is going to run out of players. | ||
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RezChi
Canada2368 Posts
On January 09 2012 13:56 BasilForSkin wrote: Are you serious? These guys are on level or better than people like MVP or ForGG. If you're not interested for that... Wow. Just because they're probably better in BW, doesn't mean they'll destory sc2.... | ||
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snakeeyez
United States1231 Posts
On January 09 2012 14:30 TBone- wrote: Well for starters with mvp, he can stop queueing 3-4 scv's at each command center, stop having his money slip to 1000 before the 15 minute mark. Sure they are really good, but they are far, far away from perfect. You would need to be more specific then that. I dont think he consistently does that if you watch GSL matches where he has time to prepare specific builds and I do not remember his minerals consistently going over 1000. I would argue the top korean pro players play close to perfect right now. A human only has so much apm and so much multitasking. Every person even flash or jaedong loses games and makes mistakes they are just humans. | ||
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Drmooose
United States390 Posts
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Jehct
New Zealand9115 Posts
Hope this doesn't hurt BW too much =( | ||
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oxxo
988 Posts
On January 09 2012 14:33 RezChi wrote: Just because they're probably better in BW, doesn't mean they'll destory sc2.... Yes it does. There's a reason Mvp is easily the best player in the world right now. He can beat other 'top' players (albeit on the ladder) using off races. ForGG/Fin already looks amazing compared to the current players. It's a different game but the concepts and mechanics translate. This is nothing but good news for the SC2. Why do people care what race the players are so much? Better play is better play. | ||
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LegendaryZ
United States1583 Posts
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lost_artz
United States366 Posts
On January 09 2012 13:56 BasilForSkin wrote: Are you serious? These guys are on level or better than people like MVP or ForGG. If you're not interested for that... Wow. You are clearly forgetting the fact that they are completely different games. | ||
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
On January 09 2012 14:34 snakeeyez wrote: You would need to be more specific then that. I dont think he consistently does that if you watch GSL matches where he has time to prepare specific builds and I do not remember his minerals consistently going over 1000. I would argue the top korean pro players play close to perfect right now. A human only has so much apm and so much multitasking. Every person even flash or jaedong loses games and makes mistakes they are just humans. Disagreed.  | ||
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jellyjello
Korea (South)664 Posts
On January 09 2012 14:22 Vehemus wrote: HyuN (BW) / HyuN (SC2) was pretty awful in BW and he qualified for Code A after playing SC2 for only a few months.I didn't really believe BW players would be able to reach the top level so fast, although I had no doubts they would be able to if they put in a ton of practice like ForGG did. After's HyuN's Code A qualification I now believe I was wrong. Precision (mouse movement...etc) from these A level BW pros is unreal. All you have to see is how MVP is ForGG plays. The precision is just on a different level. I'd love to see MMA play just so I can compare his precision with other top SC2 players. I once watched the show B-Net Attack on MBCGames where they had Jaedong as a guest. After watching him play (from his point of view), I can truely believe that he is a legit 500 APM guy (and I don't mean just spamming the same hot key). I can only imagine what he'd do as SC2 zerg... with Queens and creep spread... he can probably beat half the current SC2 pros with only zerglings. | ||
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Kergy
Peru2011 Posts
Would love to see some Kespa-made maps too  | ||
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Xxavi
United States1248 Posts
I'd be interested if really high level ones are switching. And of course if VODs are available. I don't like this waiting until 5 am and watching business. I wouldn't do that for free, let alone pay for it. | ||
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