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On January 09 2012 14:38 Jehct wrote:
And suddenly the Jaedong v Canata game makes sense. Ikid, but I do wonder how high profile those switching are. Hope we see some people who really started performing over the past couple years (like Soulkey or Killer) but the best real hope is probably proleague regulars like Horang2.
Hope this doesn't hurt BW too much =(
Doesn't make sense. If someone had been solely practicing SC2 they wouldn't be sent out in Proleague, so it can't be someone who is active.
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On January 09 2012 14:39 lost_artz wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 13:56 BasilForSkin wrote:On January 09 2012 13:50 awwnuts07 wrote:
Unless it's the BW top dogs, I can't really say I'm super interested. Are you serious? These guys are on level or better than people like MVP or ForGG. If you're not interested for that... Wow. You are clearly forgetting the fact that they are completely different games.
You are clearly forgetting that both game involves macro, micro, and multi tasking
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On January 09 2012 14:28 Insomniac22 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 13:49 Elefanto wrote:On January 09 2012 13:48 Fionn wrote:Time for Perfectman to become forever GSL champion. + Show Spoiler + I'm sorry, Dts are fairly ineffective in Sc2. tell that to inca
I think Nestea already informed Inca of the weaknesses re: DTs.
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fOrGG is overhyped, he is not the king of terran, maybe like the sergeant of terran TT
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Forgg and Hyun are just the beginning. Heh.
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On January 09 2012 14:45 Xxavi wrote:
TBH, if these BW pros aren't higher level than MVP, forGG, MC and NesTea, it doesn't mean much for me personally. May be except for higher competition and better general play in GSL Code A and S. But I don't have time to stay up to watch it, and with their childish attitude towards Naniwa, they killed the interest for me.
I'd be interested if really high level ones are switching. And of course if VODs are available. I don't like this waiting until 5 am and watching business. I wouldn't do that for free, let alone pay for it.
Don't let the door hit ya on your way out!
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On January 09 2012 14:38 Jehct wrote:
And suddenly the Jaedong v Canata game makes sense. Ikid, but I do wonder how high profile those switching are. Hope we see some people who really started performing over the past couple years (like Soulkey or Killer) but the best real hope is probably proleague regulars like Horang2.
Hope this doesn't hurt BW too much =(
It came to my mind too! (no wonder he didin't make hydra's for anti-air that game -_- )
But w/ respect to the topic, and the many more that will come out this year: it's GOING to happen. Period. It's just a matter of when. What exactly will happen? The un-informed will soon see. 
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I'm really interested in this since these guys are still in their original bw team as they transition(?) so probably have a strict training regimen. I know MVP house does a lot of in house training, since DRG used to stream a lot.. but some other team seem pretty relax about it and mostly ladder a lot (like huk said in slayers house interview 99% ladder and ppl often says ladder is a joke) so possibly these bw guy might be able to practice more effectively ..
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Thanks for the link!
Current top Sc2 pros have insane talent, but their play is far from perfect. Hopefully the BW pros will invigorate the scene and raise the level of play.
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On January 09 2012 14:45 Rostam wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 14:38 Jehct wrote:
And suddenly the Jaedong v Canata game makes sense. Ikid, but I do wonder how high profile those switching are. Hope we see some people who really started performing over the past couple years (like Soulkey or Killer) but the best real hope is probably proleague regulars like Horang2.
Hope this doesn't hurt BW too much =( Doesn't make sense. If someone had been solely practicing SC2 they wouldn't be sent out in Proleague, so it can't be someone who is active.
Agree. It's probably those players whose teams were disbanded. However, it's also naive to think that Korean BW is turning blind eyes to the SC2 boom happening in both NA and EU. They know what's happening, the potential of SC2 not only in Korea but also globally, and most importantly KeSPA seems to be on board with it as well.
BW isn't going anywhere in Korea. It still has a lot of followers. With that said, I think KeSPA will definitely try to take advantage of the overseas market with SC2.
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They have been playing sc2 for approximately 5 months so far, and from what I am told, they only play sc2 now during practice time.
If this is true, then the players switching aren't players really worth getting too excited for. There's been no noticeable decline in play among BW players (except Sea  ...  ) and you obviously can't remain as a top BW player if you're only practicing SC2. The most logical assumption would be the A-teamers from Hwaseung/MBC/Wemade who didn't get picked up like Anytime, Lomo, Pure, etc. I mean, FXOBoss wouldn't be incorrect to call these guys consistent A-teamers but they don't represent a significant difference in skill level compared to the likes of Mvp, fOrGG or Hyun.
I am intrigued by the whole 40 days thing. It's pretty strange that they would all switch at the same time. I would assume this means Kespa will be setting up their own league and maybe even their own teams to serve as a competitior to GOM.
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May the great exodus...
BEGIN!
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On January 09 2012 14:11 N.geNuity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 14:08 KiLL_ORdeR wrote:On January 09 2012 13:56 N.geNuity wrote:On January 09 2012 13:40 Tazerenix wrote:
How many A teamers have been relatively inactive in Pro Leagues and High Level BW tournaments recently?
none. for a complete list of "a-teamers" right now, refer to this list: + Show Spoiler +of them, I would say maybe some of woongjin (flying, guemchi bisang) could fit the described profile. Guemchi went to like gsl open season 2 or something. CJ let idra practice sc2 in the teamhouse, so it's possible someone like Nbs could be playing sc2. KT has fielded all that line up this season, except reach and anyppi. Maybe trap or size on stx (others have been fielded). SKT maybe someone not fielded, like Alone. Samsung khan maybe odin, as he hasn't been fielded. Shine hasn't either but shine definitely wants to play brood war (when his team disbanded, he went out of his way to be able to get on a team when he wasn't put in team 8. Compare this to hiya or midas or some other progamers). ACE has fielded everyone I think off top of my head (even chavi). Team 8 shouldn't have anybody coming (that is their entire team). For some B teamers who knows, some could switch. If there are "top" brood war pros who have been practicing (and especially note the statement about exclusive sc2 practice), it's not really a "top" current pro. Is that list official A-Teamers as per rules according to KeSPA? I would consider about a third of those guys A-Teamers. I always thought A-teamer = plays regularly/ semi-regularly in proleague televised matches. Many of those players haven't seen real action in over a year. those are ones that are on december proleague roster. So not all are "A" teamers as we know them (obviously), but they are eligible to play in proleague. If proleague = A teamer, and B teamer means no proleagu (definition I'm using). More importantly though every person people know as an "A" teamer on that list has played in proleague so far, so the profile described as an "A teamer" who is now practicing sc2 exclusively excludes almost this entire list. edit--so yeah, many are not "A" teamers but those are ones the coaches are willing to put in proleague and who are on the bench. I certainly don't think any bw pro would go "nah I'm off to play sc2" and only practices sc2 in the teamhouse would be submitted to be eligible in proleague
Well what I was getting was if those are the guys who could be switching to be, or if the "real" A-teamers (our definition) are the guys who are switching. If the A-teamers by our definition are indeed switching, that narrows the field considerably to almost every single current proleague a-teamer. If that is the case, BW will effectively die, and it won't be long before everyone else switches over. That would be bittersweet imo because I love me some BW, not to mention it would effectively kill the foreign scene at the same time, since what foreigners we do have would be entirely outclassed by the A-teamers switching over.
EDIT: Thought that there were 40 players switching over, the days part didn't register. i don't think this will kill BW
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lol... let them come. if they make it harder than i'll just up my practice from 1 hour a day to 3.
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nerd chills. that is all.
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On January 09 2012 15:00 VTPerfect wrote:
lol... let them come. if they make it harder than i'll just up my practice from 1 hour a day to 3.
OMG. Everyone, prepare for a new Bonjwa :o
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On January 09 2012 13:49 Elefanto wrote:I'm sorry, Dts are fairly ineffective in Sc2.
Same goes for Protoss players in the GSL
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On January 09 2012 14:48 MrMercuG wrote:
fOrGG is overhyped, he is not the king of terran, maybe like the sergeant of terran TT
I'd even say he's the sergeant Schultz of terran xD
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On January 09 2012 14:42 jellyjello wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 14:22 Vehemus wrote: HyuN (BW) / HyuN (SC2) was pretty awful in BW and he qualified for Code A after playing SC2 for only a few months. I didn't really believe BW players would be able to reach the top level so fast, although I had no doubts they would be able to if they put in a ton of practice like ForGG did. After's HyuN's Code A qualification I now believe I was wrong. Precision (mouse movement...etc) from these A level BW pros is unreal. All you have to see is how MVP is ForGG plays. The precision is just on a different level. I'd love to see MMA play just so I can compare his precision with other top SC2 players. I once watched the show B-Net Attack on MBCGames where they had Jaedong as a guest. After watching him play (from his point of view), I can truely believe that he is a legit 500 APM guy (and I don't mean just spamming the same hot key). I can only imagine what he'd do as SC2 zerg... with Queens and creep spread... he can probably beat half the current SC2 pros with only zerglings.
When he gets the flow of larva injects he will have flawless injects for sure. Add creep spread and shit to that, he will break the game lul. ^_^
Anyway, for now: Enjoy BW and Proleague and let's talk about these guys when they actually stop playing BW and there is a official switch!
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more high level players is ofc good always a good thinkg, but they bring kespa more and more in sc2 and i dont want them to split the professional scene
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