IdrA vs Taeja $400 match to debut Korean Weekly S2 - Page 57

On January 17 2012 22:35 MetalSlug wrote:
So Marines "hard counter" banelings now, really ?

On January 17 2012 23:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:


If that's a serious question:

1. I guess the proper term for it is "soft counter", as banelings can do potential damage if the marines are mismicroed (it's not like marines can fly- yet- which would mean that banelings could never do damage against marines)

2. We've known about this since MKP came into the spotlight. You'd need to be really clever with banelings (like landmines) for them to be cost-effective against marines.

On January 18 2012 00:10 TheDwf wrote:

1. Marine splitting reducing the amount of damage you take from Banelings ≠ Marines countering Banelings.

2. This does not make much sense once again. I mean, you could argue that Banelings will never be cost-efficient against Marines because Banelings cost gas and Marines don't.

Anyway, you have to consider the global picture, which is: against Terran or Protoss, Zergs are never supposed to trade evenly resource-wise (unless you catch the opponent unsieged / things like that), at least on tier2, so cost-efficiency strictly speaking does not mean much anyway. Things that truly matter are: did you reset his Tank count so he cannot push until he rebuilds it? Did you secure your fourth base and stall long enough so you can transition to Broodlords, hopefully with some advantage? Did you use your mobility to prevent him from taking his farther bases? etc.

On January 17 2012 22:25 Harris1st wrote:



Ha called it

Idra played just so predicable, every game the same and his mutas did nothing

This was not anywhere near code S worthy, and if he is playing a terran in code A he is out again

On January 18 2012 00:10 TheDwf wrote:

1. Marine splitting reducing the amount of damage you take from Banelings ≠ Marines countering Banelings.

2. This does not make much sense once again. I mean, you could argue that Banelings will never be cost-efficient against Marines because Banelings cost gas and Marines don't.

Anyway, you have to consider the global picture, which is: against Terran or Protoss, Zergs are never supposed to trade evenly resource-wise (unless you catch the opponent unsieged / things like that), at least on tier2, so cost-efficiency strictly speaking does not mean much anyway. Things that truly matter are: did you reset his Tank count so he cannot push until he rebuilds it? Did you secure your fourth base and stall long enough so you can transition to Broodlords, hopefully with some advantage? Did you use your mobility to prevent him from taking his farther bases? etc.

On January 18 2012 00:46 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Why does a balance discussion always happen when idra loses

A 4-0 has nothing to do with balance.

On January 18 2012 00:02 codesad wrote:



yeah it's kinda sad to see, basically a terran that can micro can just roflstomp you and there's not much you can do. i would say you have to add some infestors against a top player to prevent this from happening.

On January 18 2012 00:51 walklightwhat wrote:


Fanboys always argue or whine when their favourite team or player loses. Pretending that is something unique to IdrA is pretty silly.

On January 18 2012 00:46 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Why does a balance discussion always happen when idra loses

A 4-0 has nothing to do with balance.

On January 17 2012 23:51 ceaRshaf wrote:
It was painful to watch the roach all in with absolutely no micro. idra didn't save any injured roach in that fight. All he can micro are drones to mineral patches and sometimes mutas. Other units are unmovable for him.

On January 18 2012 00:30 DamageControL wrote:

Isn't ZvT supposed to be his best MU?

On January 17 2012 18:40 obsKura wrote:
Dunno what the fuss is all about, people who follow the Korean Weekly as well as TaeJa know that he is pretty good. Didn't expect less than a 4-0 for TaeJa. IdrA is playing his same old style, unable to become creative, way too predictable. It's not his mechanics or something, he is just boring to watch, he is doing the same stuff all the time.

Thanks for broadcasting this at a somehow EU friendly time.

On January 18 2012 03:07 ftjust wrote:



spot on Idra has good mechanics but he has even said in interviews himself that he lacks ingame creativity to change up and do unexpected things.


and its funny when zergs complain that marines counter banelings when
the majority of zergs are 1,a move lings and banelings and magic box their mutas 3 apm required?
at the same time on the other side the terran have to setup up a siege tank line while at the same time split your 20-50 marines into perfect little groups


I would say that even the best players right now are only at maybe 70% of what they need to be doing everygame.
mass micro battles and multitasking using every possible weapon you have in your arsenal. everyone is making mistakes
even the best of the best forgets to transfuse with queens, and idra is probably not even top 50 foreigner in the current meta game.

'i pull my damaged banshes back to my mainbase to repair them, why cant zergs use a queen to heal some mutas from time to time after you harras the minerals? take down a turret pull back your wounded mutas heal them?

but no some zergs have been watching to much BW and are trying to 300apm micro their mutas into a single game square.


rantings....

Greg Practice a lot, but ... It is impractical T.T

On January 18 2012 00:02 codesad wrote:



yeah it's kinda sad to see, basically a terran that can micro can just roflstomp you and there's not much you can do. i would say you have to add some infestors against a top player to prevent this from happening.