EPTIdrA vs Taeja $400 match to debut Korean Weekly S2 - Page 55
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
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Mandalor
Germany2362 Posts
On January 17 2012 17:55 jeremysaint wrote: so i watched the vods against my better judgement and sigh. idra rage quit, a lot. he rage quit with army supplies at something like 176 to 182 at one point. as a related question, why get banelings against marines? it seems like marines hard counter banelings and infestors would be an overwhelmingly better choice. obligatory im not in masters league comment. in fact i dont even play sc2. i just watch it. a lot. but it has been bugging me for a while. banelings are not a useless unit, just not useful for countering microed marines with stim. so why constantly get something that is hard countered into the ground by microed marines? infestors take a lot of gas which means less mutas. And you want mutas against tanks / as a generic harass option. Also, banelings are very good on creep and fungal isn't exactly good against split marines either. | ||
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Plague1503
Croatia466 Posts
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
I am sorry but idra has not got the spirit to be a successful progamer. You can't call gg with a maxed army, I don't care the situation you are in. Idra thinks like the game is a simulation between 2 AIs that make no mistakes and there is no reason to go on in the game since the opponent will not make a mistake. THAT'S A MISTAKE! Idra makes mistakes so why wouldn't his opponent make one allowing him to come back? If the game is not going how idra wants it to go he quits. Well good bye! idra has no faith in himself and he lost a fan. He is a wasted talent that rages a lot. More of a drama queen rather than an actually good player. | ||
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bartus88
Netherlands491 Posts
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di3alot
172 Posts
On January 17 2012 18:35 bartus88 wrote: I predicted the 4-0 but am still disappointed. IdrA couldn't even beat him after he got a big advantage early on in game 3. It's not really fun to watch when games are this one-sided and when IdrA quits before it is completely over. meh the games were actually over. he just played bad.everyone has a bad day/series | ||
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TheLunaticMonk
Finland36 Posts
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obsKura
Ireland1061 Posts
Thanks for broadcasting this at a somehow EU friendly time. | ||
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inamorato
United States263 Posts
On January 17 2012 18:16 phisku wrote: the amount of micro required to make marines hard counter baneling is insane, to match that zerg has to flank and micro aswell. Some maps don't allow Zerg to micro their ling baneling composition like they do for marines. 95% of the time Zerg has pick when and where to engage, or not even engage at all. Countering is sometimes the best option because even if your baneling kills a few marines you still lose that baneling, forcing you to reproduce. I don't see much of a use in ZvT for using banelings at a top tier level outside of burrowed banes or dropping on mineral lines. There is a plateau for baneling micro but nor for marines. | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On January 17 2012 18:45 inamorato wrote: Some maps don't allow Zerg to micro their ling baneling composition like they do for marines. 95% of the time Zerg has pick when and where to engage, or not even engage at all. Countering is sometimes the best option because even if your baneling kills a few marines you still lose that baneling, forcing you to reproduce. I don't see much of a use in ZvT for using banelings at a top tier level outside of burrowed banes or dropping on mineral lines. There is a plateau for baneling micro but nor for marines. Because banelings stopped being 1a unit that can roll all marines by itself doesnt mean they are rendered useless. | ||
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Sneakyz
Sweden2361 Posts
If they are just slightly, slightly worse you still might win every single game. Obviously I don't know if this applies to these games, since I haven't watched them. | ||
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Stiluz
Norway688 Posts
On January 17 2012 18:53 Sneakyz wrote: I haven't watched these games yet but it still annoys me to no end reading people judge players like idra/huk/nani/stephano based on if they won or lost the game. The match result doesn't tell anything about how good a player is. If you would watch 10 races of 100m, and one guy is always 1ms faster than the other guys, obviously he will win all of them, that doesn't mean his opponents are shit. If they are just slightly, slightly worse you still might win every single game. Obviously I don't know if this applies to these games, since I haven't watched them. This. Also, why are people saying IdrA ragequitting? Can anyone point to somewhere in the games where he raged? No? Then it's not a ragequit. I usually don't gg to anyone myself, but that's because I'm disappointed in the game. People are so sickeningly prone to fit people into a perceived personality or stereotype. | ||
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walklightwhat
Australia752 Posts
On January 17 2012 19:37 Stiluz wrote: This. Also, why are people saying IdrA ragequitting? Can anyone point to somewhere in the games where he raged? No? Then it's not a ragequit. I usually don't gg to anyone myself, but that's because I'm disappointed in the game. People are so sickeningly prone to fit people into a perceived personality or stereotype. Any game where IdrA quits before the community decided he's allowed to is a ragequit. That is how it seems to work. | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On January 17 2012 19:37 Stiluz wrote: This. Also, why are people saying IdrA ragequitting? Can anyone point to somewhere in the games where he raged? No? Then it's not a ragequit. I usually don't gg to anyone myself, but that's because I'm disappointed in the game. People are so sickeningly prone to fit people into a perceived personality or stereotype. No people are upset because Idra show BM by not GGing and even he himself isnt consistant with his own "rules", he doesnt gg to the opponents whenever he can get away with it, while ggs to the same opponents when hes on "television". Doesnt seem to me like an honesty to be frank. Defending bad manners of idra should really happen in his fanclub, i hate when people try to justify wrong behaviors in forums. | ||
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CallousCarter
United Kingdom81 Posts
On January 17 2012 09:47 KicKDoG wrote: 400$dollars throwing that away is just complete dumb. And IdrA isn't dumb. No I beg to differ. I think Idra is dumb or at least prone to doing dumb things. For a man whose favourite adjectives are gay and retarded I don't know how he got a reputation for being eloquent or articulate. Nor can I understand how he's held as a beacon for SC2 philosophy and game thoery when he's so consistently beaten by things he thinks are retarded or gay. Maybe he get's away with because his partner in crime Dan "Artosis" Stemkoski is always reiterating the same flawed reasoning. Don't get me wrong I like Idra, I find his callous and crude persona entertaining, I admire his dedication to professional gaming and the reasonable amount of success he's managed to achieve so far. However I think he always getting an easy ride for doing incredibly stupid shit. Maybe if his team and fans were more eager to confront him when he fucks up than cup his nutsack he wouldn't keep making the same mistakes. At the moment I think he's only half the player he could be and should be. I think he knows that himself and that's partly why he can appear so frustrated and sombre, but he still hasn't fully taken the responsibility that it's his fault when he loses or gained the belief that he has the ability to fix his problems and stop losing. He needs to get a winning mentality and to adopt a more flexible and efficient playstyle. Maybe then we'll see him start winning major tournaments consistently and we can all start talking about how brilliantly he played instead of making excuses for how he quit early or got cheesed out by a risky strategy. | ||
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DJFaqU
466 Posts
On January 17 2012 19:53 bgx wrote: No people are upset because Idra show BM by not GGing and even he himself isnt consistant with his own "rules", he doesnt gg to the opponents whenever he can get away with it, while ggs to the same opponents when hes on "television". Doesnt seem to me like an honesty to be frank. Defending bad manners of idra should really happen in his fanclub, i hate when people try to justify wrong behaviors in forums. If not saying "gg" is bad mannered, then posting on a forum without a proper "Dear Sir or Madam" and ending with a "Sincerely yours" if bad mannered just as much. Stop with the god damn "gg" fetish. | ||
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
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Cortza
South Africa328 Posts
On January 17 2012 18:15 Silentness wrote: + Show Spoiler + I remember the first time I read that thread. haha There's no denial that Korean players right now have Starcraft 2 on lockdown, but when you read some of the live report threads you still see the same dumb posts. "OMG HE WON WITH CHEESE (instant 1 rating for recommended watch) Perfect example was the Supernova vs MC game. I'm not going to spoil it even though it's old, but one of the players won with foxy/clever/sneaky whatever you want to call it "cheese" build, but it was so smart and planned out that you can't even be mad at the winner. Who is to say that the winner has to win a macro game every game to show his "honor". When MMA did a thor rush against Naniwa, is it MMA's fault that the Blizzard tourny was a Bo1 format? NOPE! He capitalized on the fact that he could catch Naniwa by surprise and win the game. Or when MVP did a 3 rax scv all in (bit-by-bit style) Does that make him a cheesy newbie? Anybody that even has a 1% knowledge of SC2 knows that MVP is a godly player. There's a reason why Korean pro gamers are so got damn good. They eat and breathe this game. SC2 is their life. They know all the builds. They know what works, what doesn't work, they know the timings down to milliseconds. Back in brood war there wasn't even a damn in game timer. So imagine MVP now that he can actually look over and say "Oh look it's now 6:30, time to go kill my opponent." I'm not surprised when a non Korean player gets crushed by a Korean player. There's no excuses. It shows in a lot of the Korean progamers tournament games. I know I sound like I'm being a Korean progamer groupie, but results and VODs don't lie. So from Brood War to Starcraft 2 the same thing is happening. In Brood War, basically Terran looks like they don't have a skill cap... look at Flash. Now look at players like MMA and MVP for Starcraft 2. Same thing... the race just gets better and better. I don't think people should blame IdrA saying "oh he sucks or I'm not going to be his fan anymore". If you seriously think that way maybe you should look in the mirror and ask yourself if you are on a bandwagon or if you are a true fan. Slayers Taeja isn't a no named player. He didn't qualify for Code A and Code S for nothing. Idra's fan club page should be constructive posts like "I'm behind you and I know you'll show better games in the future" but when you go to his page it's usually small posts like "IdrA just got swept" "Go back to the US" and other dumb posts where people get banned and you have to have a disclaimer on the top of the post letting people know that they will get banned if they bring IdrA hate into the thread. It shouldn't get to that level... we should be supporting one another. If all we do is ridicule the non Korean players how are we going to advance. I put the post in spoilers since it seems like a long rant. Hopefully some of if it makes sense. Enjoyed reading this. I agree with the point that fan pages like this need the kind of unconditional support for their pro-gamers that carries them through the good and bad decisions. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On January 17 2012 13:53 aintz wrote: hes a stubborn person so probably not. hes a great person to have on the team though, brings tons of attention and he never forgets to thank his/egs sponsors. True true. Look at all the posts on here. Idra is the greatest heel of sc2. | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On January 17 2012 20:09 DJFaqU wrote: If not saying "gg" is bad mannered, then posting on a forum without a proper "Dear Sir or Madam" and ending with a "Sincerely yours" if bad mannered just as much. Stop with the god damn "gg" fetish. Dear Sir or Madam Do you have any agenda here? I believe you should head to this thread. Sincerely yours bgx the gg fetishist | ||
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