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On January 17 2012 09:52 TanKLoveR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 09:50 fourColo wrote:On January 17 2012 09:48 setzer wrote:On January 17 2012 09:43 fourColo wrote:On January 17 2012 09:41 TanKLoveR wrote:On January 17 2012 09:36 Quotidian wrote:On January 17 2012 09:32 Choboo wrote:On January 17 2012 09:30 Quotidian wrote:
...so yeah, GSL needs to reconsider their foreigner invites policy. Idra is so far from being on par with Code S and he'll probably drop out of Code A without much fanfare there either. I guess we're back to that period of time just before Huk won his second MLG. Foreigners just can't compete. Some foreigners can still compete but unfortunately they probe rushed a game and now GSL is mad at them so they won't get a code S seed they need to stop giving code S seeds to foreigners regardless of the whole Naniwa thing. It undermines the entire tournament that they give out these charity seeds, and it makes foreigners looks bad by simple association to these horrible, one-sided matches. Foreigners that want to compete in the GSL should qualify, just like Koreans. And the same goes for Koreans wanting to play in MLG Finally someone with rational thoughts. I stopped watching GSL because of this crap, it cheapens the competition that they just hand out invites to CODE S, which is supposed to be the more "Prestigious SC2 League" but that just makes it a joke. If they just hand them out to the "popular" players then i see it pretty possible any team can just buy a spot for their Ace player at this point. Yeah remember that time MC, MMA, MVP, Nestea, etc. were all bumped out of the GSL at the same time because literally all 32 code S spots were taken up by foreigners? Why do you think foreigners deserve any Code S spots in the first place? To raise the skill level of foreigners, I don't get why you want SC2 to become BW in terms of global skill where Koreans stomp everyone. WHY would you want this? Giving spots to foreigners just based on their popularity wont do anyone any favors, they should earn them just like every other player in Code S. Besides Stephano does just fine without being in Code S, why must idra fanboys whine so much?
please stop generalizing people who are fans of idra, its getting kinda old. I know some fanboys are loud but most of us just enjoys his play. (Maybe not today LOL)
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On January 17 2012 09:54 yoshi245 wrote:
I didn't even bother to watch this series since I expected something like 4-2 or 4-1. But 4-0? Well that's a bit silly and unexpected. I expected a bit more from Idra and I don't even like the guy. But Taeja is pretty damn good after all. You figure with Idra being in the SlayerS house even it being a showmatch and $400 on the line, he may know a few things about Taeja and pull off at least 1 win. Guess not though.
Honestly I was expecting it to get closer than 4-0.
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On January 17 2012 09:52 HuKPOWA wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 09:50 dAPhREAk wrote:On January 17 2012 09:50 Madder wrote:On January 17 2012 09:49 KevinIX wrote:
Idra was not playing for real. He has a GSL match, so he needs to keep his strats under wraps. It was only a showmatch. You mean those GSL matches he lost recently? you mean the zvz matches? lol Yes, those GSL matches...i didn't know ZvZ wasn't a GSL match :O
. . . missed irony.
he said he was keeping his strats under wrap and didnt want to show them in this showmatch..... but the gsl matches were zvz (i.e., .... nevermind, figure it out yourself....
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On January 17 2012 09:55 aderum wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 09:52 TanKLoveR wrote:On January 17 2012 09:50 fourColo wrote:On January 17 2012 09:48 setzer wrote:On January 17 2012 09:43 fourColo wrote:On January 17 2012 09:41 TanKLoveR wrote:On January 17 2012 09:36 Quotidian wrote:On January 17 2012 09:32 Choboo wrote:On January 17 2012 09:30 Quotidian wrote:
...so yeah, GSL needs to reconsider their foreigner invites policy. Idra is so far from being on par with Code S and he'll probably drop out of Code A without much fanfare there either. I guess we're back to that period of time just before Huk won his second MLG. Foreigners just can't compete. Some foreigners can still compete but unfortunately they probe rushed a game and now GSL is mad at them so they won't get a code S seed they need to stop giving code S seeds to foreigners regardless of the whole Naniwa thing. It undermines the entire tournament that they give out these charity seeds, and it makes foreigners looks bad by simple association to these horrible, one-sided matches. Foreigners that want to compete in the GSL should qualify, just like Koreans. And the same goes for Koreans wanting to play in MLG Finally someone with rational thoughts. I stopped watching GSL because of this crap, it cheapens the competition that they just hand out invites to CODE S, which is supposed to be the more "Prestigious SC2 League" but that just makes it a joke. If they just hand them out to the "popular" players then i see it pretty possible any team can just buy a spot for their Ace player at this point. Yeah remember that time MC, MMA, MVP, Nestea, etc. were all bumped out of the GSL at the same time because literally all 32 code S spots were taken up by foreigners? Why do you think foreigners deserve any Code S spots in the first place? To raise the skill level of foreigners, I don't get why you want SC2 to become BW in terms of global skill where Koreans stomp everyone. WHY would you want this? Giving spots to foreigners just based on their popularity wont do anyone any favors, they should earn them just like every other player in Code S. Besides Stephano does just fine without being in Code S, why must idra fanboys whine so much? please stop generalizing people who are fans of idra, its getting kinda old. I know some fanboys are loud but most of us just enjoys his play. (Maybe not today LOL)
To be fair, it wasn't that bad.
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On January 17 2012 09:51 ZerguufOu wrote:
LOL its not GOM's job to raise the skill of the foreigners. no one is entitled to anything. If you want to compete, you practice hard, get good and show results when it counts.
Oh wow practice hard you figured it out! Better let all the foreign pros you figured out why they're not doing well, they're just not practicing! Wow! You're a genius! lets market this great idea for a million dollars! Hey Idra did you know? If you practiced you might win more! Too bad he spends all his time off at amusement parks or watching movies, he should be practicing!!!
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United States15275 Posts
On January 17 2012 09:54 IntoTheheart wrote:Why do you think foreigners deserve any Code S spots in the first place?
To raise the skill level of foreigners, I don't get why you want SC2 to become BW in terms of global skill where Koreans stomp everyone. WHY would you want this?[/QUOTE]
LOL its not GOM's job to raise the skill of the foreigners. no one is entitled to anything. If you want to compete, you practice hard, get good and show results when it counts.[/QUOTE]
The fact is that GOM is providing entertaining SC2, that's sort of their goal, with their current director trying to advance eSports. One of the ways to do this is to close the gap between foreign and Koreans which plagued BW.[/QUOTE]
GOM cannot close the gap merely by putting players against each other in matches. Skill levels are achieved through months and months of hard work and insight. Your argument is nonsensical.
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What was the score? I don't see it in the OP.
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Oh man, there's quite a bit of hate here.
I found these games rather interesting to be honest. I didn't see one-sided domination like some pointed out, Idra wasn't behind from the get go, it all came down (except in game 3) to late game management which Taeja simply did pretty damn well.
I liked these games, even though I'm a Zerg player. I don't see what all these hate comments are for. Seems to me some people are just unable to appreciate good play. Because that was good play from both side, Idra wasn't just good enough.
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Northern Ireland27236 Posts
Sigh, every single thread devolves into this ridiculous cherrypicking of games to justify pre-existing beliefs.
'Foreigners can't compete with Code S level players, Koreans on another level.' This seems somewhat true when they are playing in Korea, but foreigners have put in good results at many international tournaments. Going to pre-empt any ridiculous notion that players like MVP and Nestea at Providence weren't trying in a tournament for 50k.
I think personally the biggest advantage that Koreans have over foreigners is the team house system and especially the team coaches. Foreigners don't have anything of that level yet. To my mind it's why Koreans are so much more fearsome when playing in the GSL, they can prepare builds specifically for certain maps, certain opponents in advance. The foreigners can do this too, of course but the Koreans already have a more efficient infrastructure through which to do this - coaches and higher level teammates/practice partners.
Also bear in mind foreigners tend to play in more tournaments and a lot more replay/vod data is available for coaches to analyse when they do end up in Korea.
Note also that I'm going to pre-empt any suggestion that I'm claiming foreigners > Koreans or are even equal at this moment in time. I don't think this is the case by any means, but people claiming that all foreigners aren't even on the same plane of existence as Koreans every time a foreigner loses is giving foreigners too little credit.
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As a huge Idra fan, I'm disappointed; what I'm even more disappointed in are all the other Idra fans acting like head-in-the-sand ostriches and making fools of themselves with excuses and other assorted bs.
Taeja dominated. It's ok to admit it. GGs, hope Idra keeps his head up.
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On January 17 2012 09:56 fourColo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 09:51 ZerguufOu wrote:
LOL its not GOM's job to raise the skill of the foreigners. no one is entitled to anything. If you want to compete, you practice hard, get good and show results when it counts. Oh wow practice hard you figured it out! Better let all the foreign pros you figured out why they're not doing well, they're just not practicing! Wow! You're a genius! lets market this great idea for a million dollars! Hey Idra did you know? If you practiced you might win more! Too bad he spends all his time off at amusement parks or watching movies, he should be practicing!!!
are you trolling?
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On January 17 2012 09:57 zoLo wrote:
What was the score? I don't see it in the OP.
4-0, idra lost.
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On January 17 2012 09:32 Choboo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 09:30 Quotidian wrote:
...so yeah, GSL needs to reconsider their foreigner invites policy. Idra is so far from being on par with Code S and he'll probably drop out of Code A without much fanfare there either. I guess we're back to that period of time just before Huk won his second MLG. Foreigners just can't compete. Some foreigners can still compete but unfortunately they probe rushed a game and now GSL is mad at them so they won't get a code S seed
don't kid yourself, naniwa is 1-10 in GSL code A.
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On January 17 2012 09:54 fourColo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 09:52 TanKLoveR wrote:On January 17 2012 09:50 fourColo wrote:On January 17 2012 09:48 setzer wrote:On January 17 2012 09:43 fourColo wrote:On January 17 2012 09:41 TanKLoveR wrote:On January 17 2012 09:36 Quotidian wrote:On January 17 2012 09:32 Choboo wrote:On January 17 2012 09:30 Quotidian wrote:
...so yeah, GSL needs to reconsider their foreigner invites policy. Idra is so far from being on par with Code S and he'll probably drop out of Code A without much fanfare there either. I guess we're back to that period of time just before Huk won his second MLG. Foreigners just can't compete. Some foreigners can still compete but unfortunately they probe rushed a game and now GSL is mad at them so they won't get a code S seed they need to stop giving code S seeds to foreigners regardless of the whole Naniwa thing. It undermines the entire tournament that they give out these charity seeds, and it makes foreigners looks bad by simple association to these horrible, one-sided matches. Foreigners that want to compete in the GSL should qualify, just like Koreans. And the same goes for Koreans wanting to play in MLG Finally someone with rational thoughts. I stopped watching GSL because of this crap, it cheapens the competition that they just hand out invites to CODE S, which is supposed to be the more "Prestigious SC2 League" but that just makes it a joke. If they just hand them out to the "popular" players then i see it pretty possible any team can just buy a spot for their Ace player at this point. Yeah remember that time MC, MMA, MVP, Nestea, etc. were all bumped out of the GSL at the same time because literally all 32 code S spots were taken up by foreigners? Why do you think foreigners deserve any Code S spots in the first place? To raise the skill level of foreigners, I don't get why you want SC2 to become BW in terms of global skill where Koreans stomp everyone. WHY would you want this? Giving spots to foreigners just based on their popularity wont do anyone any favors, they should earn them just like every other player in Code S. Besides Stephano does just fine without being in Code S, why must idra fanboys whine so much? Aside from IPL 3 Stephano hasn't posted great results against Koreans. Also how the fuck do you think Huk got so good? He got seeded and practiced with the best players in the world and now he's one of them. It's not going to work for everyone that gets seeded, but it is going to happen sometimes.
Huk did so "fucking" well because he was in korea for a god damn year practicing like crazy in the oGs house, not because anyone seeded him to code S. You must have forgotten but Huk got into code S because of code A!, not because Gomtv wanted "LOL MOAR FOREIGNERS IN CODE S". It wont work for MOST people who get seeded this cheap way, so fucking earn it is not very hard is it? Koreans do it and thats who they want to compete with.
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On January 17 2012 09:57 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 09:54 IntoTheheart wrote:On January 17 2012 09:51 ZerguufOu wrote:
Why do you think foreigners deserve any Code S spots in the first place? To raise the skill level of foreigners, I don't get why you want SC2 to become BW in terms of global skill where Koreans stomp everyone. WHY would you want this?
LOL its not GOM's job to raise the skill of the foreigners. no one is entitled to anything. If you want to compete, you practice hard, get good and show results when it counts.[/QUOTE]
The fact is that GOM is providing entertaining SC2, that's sort of their goal, with their current director trying to advance eSports. One of the ways to do this is to close the gap between foreign and Koreans which plagued BW.[/QUOTE]
GOM cannot close the gap merely by putting players against each other in matches. Skill levels are achieved through months and months of hard work and insight. Your argument is nonsensical. [/QUOTE]
Really? Bringing players over here so that they have time to adjust and practice makes perfect sense to me.
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On January 17 2012 09:59 hunts wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 09:32 Choboo wrote:On January 17 2012 09:30 Quotidian wrote:
...so yeah, GSL needs to reconsider their foreigner invites policy. Idra is so far from being on par with Code S and he'll probably drop out of Code A without much fanfare there either. I guess we're back to that period of time just before Huk won his second MLG. Foreigners just can't compete. Some foreigners can still compete but unfortunately they probe rushed a game and now GSL is mad at them so they won't get a code S seed don't kid yourself, naniwa is 1-10 in GSL code A.
Who gave him the freebie?
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On January 17 2012 09:58 Quotidian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 09:56 fourColo wrote:On January 17 2012 09:51 ZerguufOu wrote:
LOL its not GOM's job to raise the skill of the foreigners. no one is entitled to anything. If you want to compete, you practice hard, get good and show results when it counts. Oh wow practice hard you figured it out! Better let all the foreign pros you figured out why they're not doing well, they're just not practicing! Wow! You're a genius! lets market this great idea for a million dollars! Hey Idra did you know? If you practiced you might win more! Too bad he spends all his time off at amusement parks or watching movies, he should be practicing!!! are you trolling?
Here's a question:
How many top GSL pros play in NA? How many can you hit on the NA ladder without latency? How many times have you seen low latency games of MVP in NA on ladder? The answer is probably close to many posters IQs!
Maybe foreigners do so poorly because they have the mindset of the average TL poster -- thinking all they need to do to win GSL caliber tournaments is by grinding out ladder games on the NA server. Which, ironically, is probably the worst conceivable way to practice and in many cases gigantic waste of time.
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On January 17 2012 10:01 fourColo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 09:58 Quotidian wrote:On January 17 2012 09:56 fourColo wrote:On January 17 2012 09:51 ZerguufOu wrote:
LOL its not GOM's job to raise the skill of the foreigners. no one is entitled to anything. If you want to compete, you practice hard, get good and show results when it counts. Oh wow practice hard you figured it out! Better let all the foreign pros you figured out why they're not doing well, they're just not practicing! Wow! You're a genius! lets market this great idea for a million dollars! Hey Idra did you know? If you practiced you might win more! Too bad he spends all his time off at amusement parks or watching movies, he should be practicing!!! are you trolling? Here's a question: How many top GSL pros play in NA? How many can you hit on the NA ladder without latency? How many times have you seen low latency games of MVP in NA on ladder? The answer is probably close to many posters IQs! Maybe foreigners do so poorly because they have the mindset of the average TL poster -- thinking all they need to do to win GSL caliber tournaments is by grinding out ladder games on the NA server. Which, ironically, is probably the worst conceivable way to practice and in many cases gigantic waste of time.
Assuming this to be true, that's the case. But some players do know how to train and get better though.
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On January 17 2012 09:50 Madder wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 09:49 KevinIX wrote:
Idra was not playing for real. He has a GSL match, so he needs to keep his strats under wraps. It was only a showmatch. You mean those GSL matches he lost recently?
Idra does have Code A matches coming up. They are against a Protoss. Then if he wins he'll play Huk / Terious (Zerg, so him and Huk have some nice practice lined up I imagine).
He wasn't hiding strategies, if I had to guess I'd say he's still learning the Korean landscape. Hence he played standard and got demolished, but you gotta play with what you know and you gotta learn if it's going to hold up (clearly it didn't).
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