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On January 17 2012 10:09 SCStardust wrote:
I read in the chat that the games were 5 weeks old, is this true? I think Idra's mentality in the games was complete crap.
He was obsessed with playing the same end game style over and over where it just wasn't working and simply gave up when it failed... They weren't even very good games to be honest. Not saying I can do better ofc, but Idra just seemed like he wasn't adapting at all... which is typical of him.
That's bullshit. They were played over the weekend.
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[QUOTE]On January 17 2012 10:09 CosmicSpiral wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 17 2012 10:04 fourColo wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 17 2012 10:03 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Doesn't mean that the players will automatically become better. Flash and Jaedong dominated when they were playing on mediocre teams; they were not successful because their teammates were good. [/QUOTE]
No, it doesn't, the purpose isn't to make every foreigner who comes over into a superstar. Getting just one or two is a huge success.[/QUOTE]
So the purpose to make the GSL more popular by inviting foreigners to participate? Thank you, I already knew that.
[QUOTE]On January 17 2012 10:04 IntoTheheart wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 17 2012 10:03 CosmicSpiral wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 17 2012 10:01 IntoTheheart wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 17 2012 09:57 CosmicSpiral wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 17 2012 09:54 IntoTheheart wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 17 2012 09:51 ZerguufOu wrote:
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[QUOTE] Why do you think foreigners deserve any Code S spots in the first place?[/QUOTE]
To raise the skill level of foreigners, I don't get why you want SC2 to become BW in terms of global skill where Koreans stomp everyone. WHY would you want this?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE] LOL its not GOM's job to raise the skill of the foreigners. no one is entitled to anything. If you want to compete, you practice hard, get good and show results when it counts.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE] The fact is that GOM is providing entertaining SC2, that's sort of their goal, with their current director trying to advance eSports. One of the ways to do this is to close the gap between foreign and Koreans which plagued BW.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE] GOM cannot close the gap merely by putting players against each other in matches. Skill levels are achieved through months and months of hard work and insight. Your argument is nonsensical. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE] Really? Bringing players over here so that they have time to adjust and practice makes perfect sense to me.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't mean that the players will automatically become better. Flash and Jaedong dominated when they were playing on mediocre teams; they were not successful because their teammates were good. [/QUOTE]
My bad. My assumption was that the foreigners would naturally practice and train hard in Korea. Still obviously true for some, but maybe I expressed that wrongly.[/QUOTE]
Maybe they will, maybe they won't. The general trend among the Korean players is to practice extensively, but some of them know how to do it better than others. Those are the players who are generally dominant in the scene and that boils down to individual approaches. [/QUOTE]
And I'm wiling to believe that some Foreign players will do that too, once they pick it up. I mean, being good at practicing StarCraft isn't an innately Korean thing, right? I feel that once they adjust and learn to train better, they'll produce excellent results.
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On January 17 2012 10:09 CosmicSpiral wrote:
So the purpose to make the GSL more popular by inviting foreigners to participate? Thank you, I already knew that.
What? That's not what I said at all? Are you trolling?
Do you seriously miss the old days of BW when foreigners lost every game to Koreans and eventually lost interest and the foreign scene became a joke compared to the Korean scene?
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On January 17 2012 10:00 TanKLoveR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 09:54 fourColo wrote:On January 17 2012 09:52 TanKLoveR wrote:On January 17 2012 09:50 fourColo wrote:On January 17 2012 09:48 setzer wrote:On January 17 2012 09:43 fourColo wrote:On January 17 2012 09:41 TanKLoveR wrote:On January 17 2012 09:36 Quotidian wrote:On January 17 2012 09:32 Choboo wrote:On January 17 2012 09:30 Quotidian wrote:
...so yeah, GSL needs to reconsider their foreigner invites policy. Idra is so far from being on par with Code S and he'll probably drop out of Code A without much fanfare there either. I guess we're back to that period of time just before Huk won his second MLG. Foreigners just can't compete. Some foreigners can still compete but unfortunately they probe rushed a game and now GSL is mad at them so they won't get a code S seed they need to stop giving code S seeds to foreigners regardless of the whole Naniwa thing. It undermines the entire tournament that they give out these charity seeds, and it makes foreigners looks bad by simple association to these horrible, one-sided matches. Foreigners that want to compete in the GSL should qualify, just like Koreans. And the same goes for Koreans wanting to play in MLG Finally someone with rational thoughts. I stopped watching GSL because of this crap, it cheapens the competition that they just hand out invites to CODE S, which is supposed to be the more "Prestigious SC2 League" but that just makes it a joke. If they just hand them out to the "popular" players then i see it pretty possible any team can just buy a spot for their Ace player at this point. Yeah remember that time MC, MMA, MVP, Nestea, etc. were all bumped out of the GSL at the same time because literally all 32 code S spots were taken up by foreigners? Why do you think foreigners deserve any Code S spots in the first place? To raise the skill level of foreigners, I don't get why you want SC2 to become BW in terms of global skill where Koreans stomp everyone. WHY would you want this? Giving spots to foreigners just based on their popularity wont do anyone any favors, they should earn them just like every other player in Code S. Besides Stephano does just fine without being in Code S, why must idra fanboys whine so much? Aside from IPL 3 Stephano hasn't posted great results against Koreans. Also how the fuck do you think Huk got so good? He got seeded and practiced with the best players in the world and now he's one of them. It's not going to work for everyone that gets seeded, but it is going to happen sometimes. Huk did so "fucking" well because he was in korea for a god damn year practicing like crazy in the oGs house, not because anyone seeded him to code S. You must have forgotten but Huk got into code S because of code A!, not because Gomtv wanted "LOL MOAR FOREIGNERS IN CODE S". It wont work for MOST people who get seeded this cheap way, so fucking earn it is not very hard is it? Koreans do it and thats who they want to compete with.
Oh wow nice zinger! Ahahaha you got me! You should become a reporter on fox news with your gotcha moments and 4chan intellect.
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who won? my internet collapsed after the 3rd game
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On January 17 2012 10:08 fourColo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 10:07 Quotidian wrote:On January 17 2012 10:01 fourColo wrote:On January 17 2012 09:58 Quotidian wrote:On January 17 2012 09:56 fourColo wrote:On January 17 2012 09:51 ZerguufOu wrote:
LOL its not GOM's job to raise the skill of the foreigners. no one is entitled to anything. If you want to compete, you practice hard, get good and show results when it counts. Oh wow practice hard you figured it out! Better let all the foreign pros you figured out why they're not doing well, they're just not practicing! Wow! You're a genius! lets market this great idea for a million dollars! Hey Idra did you know? If you practiced you might win more! Too bad he spends all his time off at amusement parks or watching movies, he should be practicing!!! are you trolling? Here's a question: How many top GSL pros play in NA? How many can you hit on the NA ladder without latency? How many times have you seen low latency games of MVP in NA on ladder? The answer is probably close to many posters IQs! Maybe foreigners do so poorly because they have the mindset of the average TL poster -- thinking all they need to do to win GSL caliber tournaments is by grinding out ladder games on the NA server. Which, ironically, is probably the worst conceivable way to practice and in many cases gigantic waste of time. What's your point? What does GSL pros playing on NA have to do with anything? Why can't foreigner players raise their level on their own? If the problem is that foreigners don't practice the correct way, how does that make their seeding into GSL any more fair and valid? Is it supposed to be a real competitive tournament, or are we supposed to be ok with GSL "fixing" their tournament and lowering the level of a number of matches, just so they can get a bump in viewership? Do you seriously have no understanding of why there's a skill gap to begin with??????? How is this possible people are so uninformed?
You seem to not be able to put 2 and 2 together..
I understand why there's a skill gap, but the reason for the skill gap is completely irrelevant. The fact that there IS a skill gap shows that players like Idra should not be seeded into the tournament. He should qualify the same way Koreans do, or watch from the sidelines. Why is GSL seeding players directly into their highest level of competition, when these players are on the other side of this skill gap that you're so eager to point out is there.
If they want to have foreigners playing broadcasted games on GOM.tv, they should do things like showmatches etc. At least then the obvious skill gap is cordoned off from the idea of a tournament based on skill and fair competition.
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On January 17 2012 10:14 Algodon wrote:
who won? my internet collapsed after the 3rd game
taeja 4-0
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On January 17 2012 10:15 Quotidian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 10:08 fourColo wrote:On January 17 2012 10:07 Quotidian wrote:On January 17 2012 10:01 fourColo wrote:On January 17 2012 09:58 Quotidian wrote:On January 17 2012 09:56 fourColo wrote:On January 17 2012 09:51 ZerguufOu wrote:
LOL its not GOM's job to raise the skill of the foreigners. no one is entitled to anything. If you want to compete, you practice hard, get good and show results when it counts. Oh wow practice hard you figured it out! Better let all the foreign pros you figured out why they're not doing well, they're just not practicing! Wow! You're a genius! lets market this great idea for a million dollars! Hey Idra did you know? If you practiced you might win more! Too bad he spends all his time off at amusement parks or watching movies, he should be practicing!!! are you trolling? Here's a question: How many top GSL pros play in NA? How many can you hit on the NA ladder without latency? How many times have you seen low latency games of MVP in NA on ladder? The answer is probably close to many posters IQs! Maybe foreigners do so poorly because they have the mindset of the average TL poster -- thinking all they need to do to win GSL caliber tournaments is by grinding out ladder games on the NA server. Which, ironically, is probably the worst conceivable way to practice and in many cases gigantic waste of time. What's your point? What does GSL pros playing on NA have to do with anything? Why can't foreigner players raise their level on their own? If the problem is that foreigners don't practice the correct way, how does that make their seeding into GSL any more fair and valid? Is it supposed to be a real competitive tournament, or are we supposed to be ok with GSL "fixing" their tournament and lowering the level of a number of matches, just so they can get a bump in viewership? Do you seriously have no understanding of why there's a skill gap to begin with??????? How is this possible people are so uninformed? You seem to not be able to put 2 and 2 together.. I understand why there's a skill gap, but the reason for the skill gap is completely irrelevant. The fact that there IS a skill gap shows that players like Idra should not be seeded into the tournament. He should qualify the same way Koreans do, or watch watch from the sidelines. Why is GSL seeding players directly into their highest level of competition, when these players are on the other side of this skill gap that you're so eager to point out is there. If they want to have foreigners playing broadcasted games on GOM.tv, they should do things like showmatches etc. At least then the obvious skill gap is cordoned off from the idea of a tournament based on skill and fair competition.
Gotcha. You don't understand why there's a skill gap. That's all you had to say. Sorry about your brain problem! Can't discuss with people who are proud be be ignorant.
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I love how shit gets derailed so fast when idra plays. Topics are all over the place. God I love you guys.
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On January 17 2012 10:07 fourColo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 10:05 ZerguufOu wrote:
Since when does advancing esports require affirmative action? How many foreign players are on pro BW teams right now? What is your plan for closing the skill gap in SC2? Grinding ladder practice in the AM server is a stupid idea and will never close the gap.
The burden of closing the skill gap in SC2 lies with the "foreign" players. The koreans will continue to practice hard and dominate until foreigners raise their skill level. This cannot be done by GOM. They can accomodate the process by providing housing and such (gom house) but it ultimately is the responsibility of the players. For example, while the koreans were practicing hard for the last MLG, destiny and incontrol were playing OTHER GAMES about a week before. While koreans were practicing hard for homestory, it was reported that stephano was getting drunk. (not to bash on these guys, but using them as an example)..The work ethic and dedication or lack thereof clearly is the responsibility of the player.
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On January 17 2012 10:12 fourColo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 10:09 CosmicSpiral wrote:
So the purpose to make the GSL more popular by inviting foreigners to participate? Thank you, I already knew that.
What? That's not what I said at all? Are you trolling? Do you seriously miss the old days of BW when foreigners lost every game to Koreans and eventually lost interest and the foreign scene became a joke compared to the Korean scene?
I still greatly (and always will) enjoy BW so I wouldn't mind that at all. If foreigners are content with always being second to Koreans I won't mind seeing the extinction of their scene if it benefits more Korean players.
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On January 17 2012 10:16 fourColo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 10:15 Quotidian wrote:On January 17 2012 10:08 fourColo wrote:On January 17 2012 10:07 Quotidian wrote:On January 17 2012 10:01 fourColo wrote:On January 17 2012 09:58 Quotidian wrote:On January 17 2012 09:56 fourColo wrote:On January 17 2012 09:51 ZerguufOu wrote:
LOL its not GOM's job to raise the skill of the foreigners. no one is entitled to anything. If you want to compete, you practice hard, get good and show results when it counts. Oh wow practice hard you figured it out! Better let all the foreign pros you figured out why they're not doing well, they're just not practicing! Wow! You're a genius! lets market this great idea for a million dollars! Hey Idra did you know? If you practiced you might win more! Too bad he spends all his time off at amusement parks or watching movies, he should be practicing!!! are you trolling? Here's a question: How many top GSL pros play in NA? How many can you hit on the NA ladder without latency? How many times have you seen low latency games of MVP in NA on ladder? The answer is probably close to many posters IQs! Maybe foreigners do so poorly because they have the mindset of the average TL poster -- thinking all they need to do to win GSL caliber tournaments is by grinding out ladder games on the NA server. Which, ironically, is probably the worst conceivable way to practice and in many cases gigantic waste of time. What's your point? What does GSL pros playing on NA have to do with anything? Why can't foreigner players raise their level on their own? If the problem is that foreigners don't practice the correct way, how does that make their seeding into GSL any more fair and valid? Is it supposed to be a real competitive tournament, or are we supposed to be ok with GSL "fixing" their tournament and lowering the level of a number of matches, just so they can get a bump in viewership? Do you seriously have no understanding of why there's a skill gap to begin with??????? How is this possible people are so uninformed? You seem to not be able to put 2 and 2 together.. I understand why there's a skill gap, but the reason for the skill gap is completely irrelevant. The fact that there IS a skill gap shows that players like Idra should not be seeded into the tournament. He should qualify the same way Koreans do, or watch watch from the sidelines. Why is GSL seeding players directly into their highest level of competition, when these players are on the other side of this skill gap that you're so eager to point out is there. If they want to have foreigners playing broadcasted games on GOM.tv, they should do things like showmatches etc. At least then the obvious skill gap is cordoned off from the idea of a tournament based on skill and fair competition. Gotcha. You don't understand why there's a skill gap. That's all you had to say. Sorry about your brain problem! Can't discuss with people who are proud be be ignorant.
There reason there's a skill gap is because of cultural differences, population density and practice regimes. Now please address the issue - why should lesser players get a free pass into a tournament they're not fit to compete in?
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On January 17 2012 10:04 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 10:03 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 17 2012 10:01 IntoTheheart wrote:On January 17 2012 09:57 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 17 2012 09:54 IntoTheheart wrote:On January 17 2012 09:51 ZerguufOu wrote:
Why do you think foreigners deserve any Code S spots in the first place? To raise the skill level of foreigners, I don't get why you want SC2 to become BW in terms of global skill where Koreans stomp everyone. WHY would you want this? LOL its not GOM's job to raise the skill of the foreigners. no one is entitled to anything. If you want to compete, you practice hard, get good and show results when it counts. The fact is that GOM is providing entertaining SC2, that's sort of their goal, with their current director trying to advance eSports. One of the ways to do this is to close the gap between foreign and Koreans which plagued BW. GOM cannot close the gap merely by putting players against each other in matches. Skill levels are achieved through months and months of hard work and insight. Your argument is nonsensical. Really? Bringing players over here so that they have time to adjust and practice makes perfect sense to me. Doesn't mean that the players will automatically become better. Flash and Jaedong dominated when they were playing on mediocre teams; they were not successful because their teammates were good. My bad. My assumption was that the foreigners would naturally practice and train hard in Korea. Still obviously true for some, but maybe I expressed that wrongly. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. The general trend among the Korean players is to practice extensively, but some of them know how to do it better than others. Those are the players who are generally dominant in the scene and that boils down to individual approaches. And I'm wiling to believe that some Foreign players will do that too, once they pick it up. I mean, being good at practicing StarCraft isn't an innately Korean thing, right? I feel that once they adjust and learn to train better, they'll produce excellent results.
The problem is you cannot "learn" to train better as if learning is mathematics or history. The benefits of training vary even among the Korean players. Inca has been practicing with oGs for over a year and he's still terrible at recovering from a failed BO. Nestea's been in the business for over half a decade and he still hasn't mastered his inability to be clutch in non-preparation games. Best had crap PvZ for a long time until he just focused on it hardcore over the last break. It's not like foreigners can't reach the level of Koreans without a team house either; Stephano's specific practice regime worked out very well for him.
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On January 17 2012 10:19 Quotidian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 10:16 fourColo wrote:On January 17 2012 10:15 Quotidian wrote:On January 17 2012 10:08 fourColo wrote:On January 17 2012 10:07 Quotidian wrote:On January 17 2012 10:01 fourColo wrote:On January 17 2012 09:58 Quotidian wrote:On January 17 2012 09:56 fourColo wrote:On January 17 2012 09:51 ZerguufOu wrote:
LOL its not GOM's job to raise the skill of the foreigners. no one is entitled to anything. If you want to compete, you practice hard, get good and show results when it counts. Oh wow practice hard you figured it out! Better let all the foreign pros you figured out why they're not doing well, they're just not practicing! Wow! You're a genius! lets market this great idea for a million dollars! Hey Idra did you know? If you practiced you might win more! Too bad he spends all his time off at amusement parks or watching movies, he should be practicing!!! are you trolling? Here's a question: How many top GSL pros play in NA? How many can you hit on the NA ladder without latency? How many times have you seen low latency games of MVP in NA on ladder? The answer is probably close to many posters IQs! Maybe foreigners do so poorly because they have the mindset of the average TL poster -- thinking all they need to do to win GSL caliber tournaments is by grinding out ladder games on the NA server. Which, ironically, is probably the worst conceivable way to practice and in many cases gigantic waste of time. What's your point? What does GSL pros playing on NA have to do with anything? Why can't foreigner players raise their level on their own? If the problem is that foreigners don't practice the correct way, how does that make their seeding into GSL any more fair and valid? Is it supposed to be a real competitive tournament, or are we supposed to be ok with GSL "fixing" their tournament and lowering the level of a number of matches, just so they can get a bump in viewership? Do you seriously have no understanding of why there's a skill gap to begin with??????? How is this possible people are so uninformed? You seem to not be able to put 2 and 2 together.. I understand why there's a skill gap, but the reason for the skill gap is completely irrelevant. The fact that there IS a skill gap shows that players like Idra should not be seeded into the tournament. He should qualify the same way Koreans do, or watch watch from the sidelines. Why is GSL seeding players directly into their highest level of competition, when these players are on the other side of this skill gap that you're so eager to point out is there. If they want to have foreigners playing broadcasted games on GOM.tv, they should do things like showmatches etc. At least then the obvious skill gap is cordoned off from the idea of a tournament based on skill and fair competition. Gotcha. You don't understand why there's a skill gap. That's all you had to say. Sorry about your brain problem! Can't discuss with people who are proud be be ignorant. There reason there's a skill gap is because of cultural differences, population density and practice regimes. Now please address the issue - why should lesser players get a free pass into a tournament their not fit to compete in.
Dense population + more existing skilled players => even more skilled players at a faster rate
If you're behind, you CANNOT do the same thing you've been doing to get ahead.
Lets put it in terms of SC2. You have 10 workers, the opponent has 20, for whatever reason. How do you get back to even? The answer is not "just keep up with your own macro" because the other person is going to keep up with theirs too and you will never catch up by doing the same things that they're doing. You need to mix things up.
Or, think of it like investing. Person A continuously compounds $10, Person B does the same with $1000, both with equal interest rates. Person A will will never exceed Person B's value. You're telling Person A to "just keep reinvesting and you'll catch up", but Person B isn't going to just stop for no reason.
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On January 17 2012 10:12 fourColo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 10:09 CosmicSpiral wrote:
So the purpose to make the GSL more popular by inviting foreigners to participate? Thank you, I already knew that.
What? That's not what I said at all? Are you trolling? Do you seriously miss the old days of BW when foreigners lost every game to Koreans and eventually lost interest and the foreign scene became a joke compared to the Korean scene?
I could care less about the foreigner-Korean dynamic that everyone on TL is so obsessed about. As long as the players deliver good games I'll be satisfied. Or do you think that the only way to reach the Korean level is to do the Korean method?
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What happened?4-0 taeja?Any good games?
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The problem is you cannot "learn" to train better as if learning is mathematics or history. The benefits of training vary even among the Korean players. Inca has been practicing with oGs for over a year and he's still terrible at recovering from a failed BO. Nestea's been in the business for over half a decade and he still hasn't mastered his inability to be clutch in non-preparation games. Best had crap PvZ for a long time until he just focused on it hardcore over the last break. It's not like foreigners can't reach the level of Koreans without a team house either; Stephano's specific practice regime worked out very well for him. [/QUOTE]
are you trolling? inca practiced hard and legitimately worked his way up to Code S (which is an accomplishment in and of it self). Nestea was a nobody in BW and won 3 GSL championships in 1 year. It can take a while, but theres nothing that hard work and dedication cant accomplish.
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On January 17 2012 10:25 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 10:12 fourColo wrote:On January 17 2012 10:09 CosmicSpiral wrote:
So the purpose to make the GSL more popular by inviting foreigners to participate? Thank you, I already knew that.
What? That's not what I said at all? Are you trolling? Do you seriously miss the old days of BW when foreigners lost every game to Koreans and eventually lost interest and the foreign scene became a joke compared to the Korean scene? I could care less about the foreigner-Korean dynamic that everyone on TL is so obsessed about. As long as the players deliver good games I'll be satisfied. Or do you think that the only way to reach the Korean level is to do the Korean method?
The Korean method appears to be working. The method is "practice in a house with a coach and do so against the best players in the world" which is currently impossible for many foreigners.
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On January 17 2012 10:24 fourColo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2012 10:19 Quotidian wrote:On January 17 2012 10:16 fourColo wrote:On January 17 2012 10:15 Quotidian wrote:On January 17 2012 10:08 fourColo wrote:On January 17 2012 10:07 Quotidian wrote:On January 17 2012 10:01 fourColo wrote:On January 17 2012 09:58 Quotidian wrote:On January 17 2012 09:56 fourColo wrote:On January 17 2012 09:51 ZerguufOu wrote:
LOL its not GOM's job to raise the skill of the foreigners. no one is entitled to anything. If you want to compete, you practice hard, get good and show results when it counts. Oh wow practice hard you figured it out! Better let all the foreign pros you figured out why they're not doing well, they're just not practicing! Wow! You're a genius! lets market this great idea for a million dollars! Hey Idra did you know? If you practiced you might win more! Too bad he spends all his time off at amusement parks or watching movies, he should be practicing!!! are you trolling? Here's a question: How many top GSL pros play in NA? How many can you hit on the NA ladder without latency? How many times have you seen low latency games of MVP in NA on ladder? The answer is probably close to many posters IQs! Maybe foreigners do so poorly because they have the mindset of the average TL poster -- thinking all they need to do to win GSL caliber tournaments is by grinding out ladder games on the NA server. Which, ironically, is probably the worst conceivable way to practice and in many cases gigantic waste of time. What's your point? What does GSL pros playing on NA have to do with anything? Why can't foreigner players raise their level on their own? If the problem is that foreigners don't practice the correct way, how does that make their seeding into GSL any more fair and valid? Is it supposed to be a real competitive tournament, or are we supposed to be ok with GSL "fixing" their tournament and lowering the level of a number of matches, just so they can get a bump in viewership? Do you seriously have no understanding of why there's a skill gap to begin with??????? How is this possible people are so uninformed? You seem to not be able to put 2 and 2 together.. I understand why there's a skill gap, but the reason for the skill gap is completely irrelevant. The fact that there IS a skill gap shows that players like Idra should not be seeded into the tournament. He should qualify the same way Koreans do, or watch watch from the sidelines. Why is GSL seeding players directly into their highest level of competition, when these players are on the other side of this skill gap that you're so eager to point out is there. If they want to have foreigners playing broadcasted games on GOM.tv, they should do things like showmatches etc. At least then the obvious skill gap is cordoned off from the idea of a tournament based on skill and fair competition. Gotcha. You don't understand why there's a skill gap. That's all you had to say. Sorry about your brain problem! Can't discuss with people who are proud be be ignorant. There reason there's a skill gap is because of cultural differences, population density and practice regimes. Now please address the issue - why should lesser players get a free pass into a tournament their not fit to compete in. Dense population + more existing skilled players => even more skilled players at a faster rate If you're behind, you CANNOT do the same thing you've been doing to get ahead. Lets put it in terms of SC2. You have 10 workers, the opponent has 20, for whatever reason. How do you get back to even? The answer is not "just keep up with your own macro" because the other person is going to keep up with theirs too and you will never catch up by doing the same things that they're doing. You need to mix things up. Or, think of it like investing. Person A continuously compounds $10, Person B does the same with $1000, both with equal interest rates. Person A will will never exceed Person B's value. You're telling Person A to "just keep reinvesting and you'll catch up", but Person B isn't going to just stop for no reason.
For the last time - the reasons for the differences in skill level is beside the point, uninteresting, irrelevant.
If foreigners can't qualify for Code A and get to Code S on their own accord, they have no business playing in the GSL. That is, if the GSL is supposed to the premier tournament based on skill, talent and fairness.
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