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CptGrackSparrow
United States278 Posts
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Sandtrout
243 Posts
On December 30 2011 04:41 ES.Genie wrote: As proofen in this thread the vast majority of people is resistant to learning and refuses to think befor it does something. Despite this, they are still wrong. I know what you want to say and thank you for being one of the reasonable people here <3 But I don't think you brought your point across very well, you need to think whether it's worth it to explain everything or not (especially in this thread, I think it isn't). | ||
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Zinjil
United States166 Posts
On December 30 2011 04:41 ES.Genie wrote: As proofen in this thread the vast majority of people is resistant to learning and refuses to think befor it does something. Despite this, they are still wrong. You're arguing that taking pride in a countryman's achievements is not a natural thing to do. Given that this occurrence is incredibly widespread in every multinational competitive event, you may have to give an actual reason why this is not a natural thing to do, since things being widespread to the point of omnipresence in human experience seems to give credence to the idea that supporting a local team is an entirely natural thing for a human being to do. As far as logical reasons outside of shared experience or national pride, which are both rational reasons that you've ignored, I'm not sure you are going to get the answers that you want. | ||
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tokinho
United States792 Posts
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MandoRelease
France374 Posts
On December 30 2011 04:54 Zinjil wrote: You're arguing that taking pride in a countryman's achievements is not a natural thing to do. Given that this occurrence is incredibly widespread in every multinational competitive event, you may have to give an actual reason why this is not a natural thing to do, since things being widespread to the point of omnipresence in human experience seems to give credence to the idea that supporting a local team is an entirely natural thing for a human being to do. As far as logical reasons outside of shared experience or national pride, which are both rational reasons that you've ignored, I'm not sure you are going to get the answers that you want. As far as i'm concerned I just don't get it. I've no national pride and most of the time I don't support French players/people, because I find no shared value in them, again most of the time. For me, that "shared experience or national pride" weight nothing, but I can see how one may choose it as his reason to support someone. I don't like it, but heh, that's fine we're all entitled to our opinion. | ||
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Durp
Canada3117 Posts
On December 30 2011 04:23 WalkofLife wrote: Okay this has been getting ridiculous. Allow me to explain why people root for their local team. It's because when the team representing your area (high school, city, country, Not-Korea...) competes, everyone in your area is rooting for something together. I'll use an example from the NFL (we call it football in the U.S.... I only mention it because clearly you have some problem with Americans). I live in Baltimore. Here we have football team called the Ravens. The Baltimore Ravens run huge charity events all throughout Baltimore. They involve themselves in the community. One of our players, when he left the city to play in Arizona, bought an ad to thank everyone in Baltimore: (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baltimore-sports-blog/bal-sportsblitz-todd-heap-baltimore-sun-ad1028,0,6603865.story) Oh yeah, and they're good. They've gone to the playoffs (analogous to getting 1st or 2nd in the group in the World Cup) for the past 3 years and they've made it again this year. Because of all this, the whole city backs the team. Every year that they make the playoffs, Baltimore has something called a "Purple Friday", where everyone wears purple (the team colors) in support of the Ravens. It's fun The Ravens have a rival, too. Their called the Pittsburgh Steelers, and they're tough. Their star player was suspended 4 games last season for rape. Everybody here hates them. Oh yeah, and did I mention that they've knocked us out of the playoffs 2 of the last 3 seasons? So when the Ravens and the Steelers played in Pittsburgh for control of the division everybody watched. Even my mom tuned in (she really hates sports). The Ravens won the game with 35 seconds left to beat the Pittsbursh Steelers. My whole neighborhood lit up. People were running outside to congratulate each other. We hadn't really done anything at all, but the feeling a human gets when they stand with countless others is incredible. It makes the lows worth it. In short, sports are fun because you root with a ton of other people who live with you. There is no rational explanation, but there doesn't need to be. It's just fun, and that's all that matters. Edited for random capitalization mistakes.. This is a fantastic post, that could be quoted in so many other threads where these arguments go on. Too bad it's buried in a thread like this, wish it were a blog As to the post that begins these quotes, it's not at all unreasonable to root for someone from the same city/country as yourself. They are "living the dream," and you can vicariously live through them by rooting for them. Also you need look no further than threads like this to see that it's perfectly common for people to root for players representing their country. As to the OP, it seems unlikely to me that EG would pick up JYP. He'd most likely stay living in Korea, and since there's a SlayerS/EG partnership, it's likely he'd then move into the SlayerS house. If all that took place, it would seem more likely to me he'd just join team SlayerS rather than EG. I wouldn't be shocked if SlayerS wanted to separate themselves from Coca's scandal a bit, so allowing him to leave to EG (but still letting him practice with their team) would be a win-win. My guess is Coca. | ||
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Zinjil
United States166 Posts
On December 30 2011 05:02 MandoRelease wrote: As far as i'm concerned I just don't get it. I've no national pride and most of the time I don't support French players/people, because I find no shared value in them, again most of the time. For me, that "shared experience or national pride" weight nothing, but I can see how one may choose it as his reason to support someone. I don't like it, but heh, that's fine we're all entitled to our opinion. It's perfectly fine to not follow or support local teams, or even national teams. There are some sports teams here that I don't follow or support, and it's mostly because I don't care about the sport, or the league that the teams belong to. The best way I can even potentially explain the shared experience thing is that people will put themselves in the shoes of the players, and try to feel what it's like to be on a stage holding up the trophy, or check, or whatever, and it's easier to do that if they are from your area, or speak your language, or have your ethnic background, etc. | ||
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oogieogie
United States3657 Posts
also i will take a guess on JYP since isn't he protoss, and eg needs a good toss player (sry axslav, and a little sorry incontrol) | ||
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Zinjil
United States166 Posts
On December 30 2011 05:15 oogieogie wrote: how the heck is a new eg player thread being filled with national pride n shit? also i will take a guess on JYP since isn't he protoss, and eg needs a good toss player (sry axslav, and a little sorry incontrol) is huk not good enough to even say sorry to?  | ||
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Bauzzy
Canada72 Posts
On December 30 2011 05:15 oogieogie wrote: how the heck is a new eg player thread being filled with national pride n shit? After 60 pages of JYP, Moon, Moonglade, and Ret predictions, there wasn't much else to talk about... | ||
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monXikk
Poland742 Posts
On December 30 2011 05:06 Durp wrote: As to the OP, it seems unlikely to me that EG would pick up JYP. He'd most likely stay living in Korea, and since there's a SlayerS/EG partnership, it's likely he'd then move into the SlayerS house. If all that took place, it would seem more likely to me he'd just join team SlayerS rather than EG. I wouldn't be shocked if SlayerS wanted to separate themselves from Coca's scandal a bit, so allowing him to leave to EG (but still letting him practice with their team) would be a win-win. My guess is Coca. Hmmm, weird thinking. Any Korean who would join EG benefit from training in Slayers house, but also have decent salary (Im pretty sure, better than any Korean SC2 team can offer) and basically option to fly to any foreigner tourney he wants, oh and no cuts from prices won in tournaments. Coca just got kicked from Slayers house so it will be weird if he join EG and get back to Slayers house, also Jessica dont let him leave, bcs he is really good imo, huge potential. My bet is on Killer(SangHo) > JYP > Sen > Moon, BW pro > Moonglade, T-Zain or other Korean. | ||
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StatikKhaos
United States214 Posts
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llKenZyll
United States853 Posts
On December 29 2011 19:53 idrawinGSLjan wrote: EGpoopfeast420 I genuinely lol'd | ||
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Packawana
United States1081 Posts
On December 30 2011 05:06 Durp wrote: Okay this has been getting ridiculous. Allow me to explain why people root for their local team. It's because when the team representing your area (high school, city, country, Not-Korea...) competes, everyone in your area is rooting for something together. I'll use an example from the NFL (we call it football in the U.S.... I only mention it because clearly you have some problem with Americans). I live in Baltimore. Here we have football team called the Ravens. The Baltimore Ravens run huge charity events all throughout Baltimore. They involve themselves in the community. One of our players, when he left the city to play in Arizona, bought an ad to thank everyone in Baltimore: (http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baltimore-sports-blog/bal-sportsblitz-todd-heap-baltimore-sun-ad1028,0,6603865.story) Oh yeah, and they're good. They've gone to the playoffs (analogous to getting 1st or 2nd in the group in the World Cup) for the past 3 years and they've made it again this year. Because of all this, the whole city backs the team. Every year that they make the playoffs, Baltimore has something called a "Purple Friday", where everyone wears purple (the team colors) in support of the Ravens. It's fun The Ravens have a rival, too. Their called the Pittsburgh Steelers, and they're tough. Their star player was suspended 4 games last season for rape. Everybody here hates them. Oh yeah, and did I mention that they've knocked us out of the playoffs 2 of the last 3 seasons? So when the Ravens and the Steelers played in Pittsburgh for control of the division everybody watched. Even my mom tuned in (she really hates sports). The Ravens won the game with 35 seconds left to beat the Pittsbursh Steelers. My whole neighborhood lit up. People were running outside to congratulate each other. We hadn't really done anything at all, but the feeling a human gets when they stand with countless others is incredible. It makes the lows worth it. In short, sports are fun because you root with a ton of other people who live with you. There is no rational explanation, but there doesn't need to be. It's just fun, and that's all that matters. Edited for random capitalization mistakes.. Whether it is fun or not does not justify "hating" a team though. Maybe dislike them, maybe be extremely competitive with them? Sure. But 'hating' a team for being the rivals or antagonists of your favourites isn't justified, rational or irrational. | ||
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ES.Genie
Germany1370 Posts
On December 30 2011 04:44 mountshy wrote: It just dawned on to me why you're so anti-nationality. You're from Germany, pride caused the self-destruction of your country. No wonder. Stupidity caused Germanys self-destruction. Nice guess, but Germanys history has nothing to do with my thaughts on patriotism. Actually most Germans feel kinda proud about the countrys history since 1945 On December 30 2011 04:54 Zinjil wrote: You're arguing that taking pride in a countryman's achievements is not a natural thing to do. Given that this occurrence is incredibly widespread in every multinational competitive event, you may have to give an actual reason why this is not a natural thing to do, since things being widespread to the point of omnipresence in human experience seems to give credence to the idea that supporting a local team is an entirely natural thing for a human being to do. As far as logical reasons outside of shared experience or national pride, which are both rational reasons that you've ignored, I'm not sure you are going to get the answers that you want. Because its simply not natural to be proud of something you were not even a bit involved. I cant be proud if Germany wins the World Cup. I dont know Özil, Schweinsteiger(very popular German players), etc, I never met any of them and I dont share any kind of personal relationship with them. Why am I supposed to feel proud about that, but not about Messi being footballer of the year? I dont know him either, we dont have a special connection and I will also never meet him. The only thing thats different is that Schweinsteigers place of birth is a little closer to mine. Has this any meening? No, why would it? For me its the same if Messi or some German player achieves something or if YOU do. So please tell me why you think its natural to take pride in some strangers achievements. EDIT: On December 30 2011 05:24 Packawana wrote: Whether it is fun or not does not justify "hating" a team though. Maybe dislike them, maybe be extremely competitive with them? Sure. But 'hating' a team for being the rivals or antagonists of your favourites isn't justified, rational or irrational. This. | ||
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SnowfaLL
Canada730 Posts
On December 30 2011 05:24 Packawana wrote: Whether it is fun or not does not justify "hating" a team though. Maybe dislike them, maybe be extremely competitive with them? Sure. But 'hating' a team for being the rivals or antagonists of your favourites isn't justified, rational or irrational. Of course its rational. They may be the team stopping YOUR team from reaching that goal, and some people take sports/games very seriously. If you stop my favorite NFL team from reaching the superbowl, you caused me lots of pain and sadness. That is grounds for hatred right there, if you are very emotionally invested in a team and it happens repeatedly (for instance, all the IdrA fans upset about him always losing to Protosses in his early days, developed a hate for the whole Protoss race because it stopped IdrA from winning tournaments) Now when things happen ontop of that, underhanded things, you begin to go from disliking them because they are good, to hating them for the things they do. In the NFL, many division rival games have lots of underhanded, downright illegal things happening within the games (least for the heated rivals) - like the example of the Ravens and Steelers as Durp wrote, I am sure there is TONS of sucker punches, spitting, biting, etc going on within the piles. Both teams are known to be borderline dirty teams, and that gets ramped up x10 when they play eachother. My favorite team is in a division where the main rival did a celebration on our team's logo last year, taking pictures and faking "pissing" on the logo in our own stadium. Things like that turn a competitive "dislike" into pure hate. Sure, not every team has things like that happen, and not every sport, but it happens. | ||
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idrawinGSLjan
Greece34 Posts
0:25 1.18 2.02 1.38 2.40 TROLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!! EGPOOPFEAST420 FTW!!! | ||
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Zojukanji
China393 Posts
On December 30 2011 05:46 ES.Genie wrote: Stupidity caused Germanys self-destruction. Nice guess, but Germanys history has nothing to do with my thaughts on patriotism. Actually most Germans feel kinda proud about the countrys history since 1945 Because its simply not natural to be proud of something you were not even a bit involved. I cant be proud if Germany wins the World Cup. I dont know Özil, Schweinsteiger(very popular German players), etc, I never met any of them and I dont share any kind of personal relationship with them. Why am I supposed to feel proud about that, but not about Messi being footballer of the year? I dont know him either, we dont have a special connection and I will also never meet him. The only thing thats different is that Schweinsteigers place of birth is a little closer to mine. Has this any meening? No, why would it? For me its the same if Messi or some German player achieves something or if YOU do. So please tell me why you think its natural to take pride in some strangers achievements. EDIT: This. Wow... quoted for truth! +10000 I will never understand this strange kind of nationalism | ||
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WalkofLife
United States18 Posts
On December 30 2011 05:57 Snowen wrote: Of course its rational. They may be the team stopping YOUR team from reaching that goal, and some people take sports/games very seriously. If you stop my favorite NFL team from reaching the superbowl, you caused me lots of pain and sadness. That is grounds for hatred right there, if you are very emotionally invested in a team and it happens repeatedly (for instance, all the IdrA fans upset about him always losing to Protosses in his early days, developed a hate for the whole Protoss race because it stopped IdrA from winning tournaments) Now when things happen ontop of that, underhanded things, you begin to go from disliking them because they are good, to hating them for the things they do. In the NFL, many division rival games have lots of underhanded, downright illegal things happening within the games (least for the heated rivals) - like the example of the Ravens and Steelers as Durp wrote, I am sure there is TONS of sucker punches, spitting, biting, etc going on within the piles. Both teams are known to be borderline dirty teams, and that gets ramped up x10 when they play eachother. My favorite team is in a division where the main rival did a celebration on our team's logo last year, taking pictures and faking "pissing" on the logo in our own stadium. Things like that turn a competitive "dislike" into pure hate. Sure, not every team has things like that happen, and not every sport, but it happens. Hey! The Ravens are not a dirty team. It's all the Steelers!  Also: Is there anything inherently wrong with hating a team? The burden of proof is on you here. Prove that hate is bad for no reason other than that it is hate. Hate can be the catalyst for a lot of evil, but in this situation it just isn't. There's kid at my school who just moved from Pittsburgh. On Purple Fridays he wears a Steelers jersey. People make fun of him for it, but it never goes any farther than light-hearted "Squeelers" puns. In this case the only thing that the hate is doing is intensifying the happiness that comes along with a win. There is nothing wrong with that. | ||
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WalkofLife
United States18 Posts
On December 30 2011 06:03 Zojukanji wrote: Wow... quoted for truth! +10000 I will never understand this strange kind of nationalism I actually completely agree with this. Nationalism is essentially a form of racism. Generally it's promoted by the leaders of a country to fuel military sign-ups and things of that nature. The one thing I've taken issue with in this thread is that the idea of supporting one team because of where they come from has to be "rational". I don't think it does. | ||
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