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On December 30 2011 06:53 Ryrmidon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2011 00:31 IdrA wrote:On December 29 2011 23:40 Sphen5117 wrote:On December 29 2011 23:32 integrity wrote:
well personally i like eg current roster a well balance of high caliber players(idra,huk,puma) mid teir (demuslim,machine,incontrol) and up incomers (axslav, strifeco, LZgamer)
i hope that they don't throw away their up incomers division to go around buying high caliber players. it would be one less opportunity for the NA up incomers Be careful saying that here. A couple pages back, an incredibly informed, polite, reasonable, and intelligent individual said it's only worth it to teams like EG to buy Tournament-dominating players. Basically saying that the best move for an ESPORTS team is to adopt a philosophy that stifles ESPORTS. Huurrr.. big teams are businesses. eg, and other high tier teams, cant pay bad players significant money while continuing to put out the salaries necessary to attract good players. good players are the ones who bring in viewership and thus sponsorships, to both the team and to tournaments. without those sponsorships ESPORTS ceases to exist. foreign sc2 isnt set up for a full on team house structure like korea is simply because of geography and foreign players' lack of dedication, so the expenses of allowing an upcoming player to focus only on practice arent worth it. you have to pay their entire cost of living and theres a pretty good chance you're never gonna make anything significant off them. most people dont end up being that good. in korea this is acceptable because you can just stick them in an existing team house for very low cost and kick them out when you realize they suck. the one player of every 10 who has some success in tournaments justifies this, and the 1 in every 100 who becomes a star makes the industry successful. so foreign esports has to focus on the existing stars, or buy them from korea, and hope that low level non korean teams stumble upon a talented player and do enough to let him make it once in a while. So why hasn't incontrol been kicked yet?
Man some posters really are dense.
IdrA already stated that EG does more for low level players than any other team. That includes providing players like Incontrol, and lesser known players like Axslav an attempt to train like the Koreans. People always talk about how EG buys their players but theyre one of first and few teams to actually give their players a house to train.
Second, if you think Incontrol isn't valuable to EG BEYOND his Sc2 results you are too young to understand business.
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On December 30 2011 07:01 Angelbelow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2011 06:53 Ryrmidon wrote:On December 30 2011 00:31 IdrA wrote:On December 29 2011 23:40 Sphen5117 wrote:On December 29 2011 23:32 integrity wrote:
well personally i like eg current roster a well balance of high caliber players(idra,huk,puma) mid teir (demuslim,machine,incontrol) and up incomers (axslav, strifeco, LZgamer)
i hope that they don't throw away their up incomers division to go around buying high caliber players. it would be one less opportunity for the NA up incomers Be careful saying that here. A couple pages back, an incredibly informed, polite, reasonable, and intelligent individual said it's only worth it to teams like EG to buy Tournament-dominating players. Basically saying that the best move for an ESPORTS team is to adopt a philosophy that stifles ESPORTS. Huurrr.. big teams are businesses. eg, and other high tier teams, cant pay bad players significant money while continuing to put out the salaries necessary to attract good players. good players are the ones who bring in viewership and thus sponsorships, to both the team and to tournaments. without those sponsorships ESPORTS ceases to exist. foreign sc2 isnt set up for a full on team house structure like korea is simply because of geography and foreign players' lack of dedication, so the expenses of allowing an upcoming player to focus only on practice arent worth it. you have to pay their entire cost of living and theres a pretty good chance you're never gonna make anything significant off them. most people dont end up being that good. in korea this is acceptable because you can just stick them in an existing team house for very low cost and kick them out when you realize they suck. the one player of every 10 who has some success in tournaments justifies this, and the 1 in every 100 who becomes a star makes the industry successful. so foreign esports has to focus on the existing stars, or buy them from korea, and hope that low level non korean teams stumble upon a talented player and do enough to let him make it once in a while. So why hasn't incontrol been kicked yet? Man some posters really are dense. IdrA already stated that EG does more for low level players than any other team. That includes providing players like Incontrol, and lesser known players like Axslav an attempt to train like the Koreans. People always talk about how EG buys their players but theyre one of first and few teams to actually give their players a house to train. Second, if you think Incontrol isn't valuable to EG BEYOND his Sc2 results you are too young to understand business.
If you think that age has anything to do with understanding anything then you have a seriously messed up view of the world.
iNcontrol gives EG equal or more exposure than Idra, and should be valued by the team accordingly.
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man I'm so excited to hear who the new player is. JYP and Killer both sound really nice
but I am actually hoping that it is a BW pro, more specifically I want it to be Hiya!!!! =D
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On December 30 2011 07:03 CatNzHat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2011 07:01 Angelbelow wrote:On December 30 2011 06:53 Ryrmidon wrote:On December 30 2011 00:31 IdrA wrote:On December 29 2011 23:40 Sphen5117 wrote:On December 29 2011 23:32 integrity wrote:
well personally i like eg current roster a well balance of high caliber players(idra,huk,puma) mid teir (demuslim,machine,incontrol) and up incomers (axslav, strifeco, LZgamer)
i hope that they don't throw away their up incomers division to go around buying high caliber players. it would be one less opportunity for the NA up incomers Be careful saying that here. A couple pages back, an incredibly informed, polite, reasonable, and intelligent individual said it's only worth it to teams like EG to buy Tournament-dominating players. Basically saying that the best move for an ESPORTS team is to adopt a philosophy that stifles ESPORTS. Huurrr.. big teams are businesses. eg, and other high tier teams, cant pay bad players significant money while continuing to put out the salaries necessary to attract good players. good players are the ones who bring in viewership and thus sponsorships, to both the team and to tournaments. without those sponsorships ESPORTS ceases to exist. foreign sc2 isnt set up for a full on team house structure like korea is simply because of geography and foreign players' lack of dedication, so the expenses of allowing an upcoming player to focus only on practice arent worth it. you have to pay their entire cost of living and theres a pretty good chance you're never gonna make anything significant off them. most people dont end up being that good. in korea this is acceptable because you can just stick them in an existing team house for very low cost and kick them out when you realize they suck. the one player of every 10 who has some success in tournaments justifies this, and the 1 in every 100 who becomes a star makes the industry successful. so foreign esports has to focus on the existing stars, or buy them from korea, and hope that low level non korean teams stumble upon a talented player and do enough to let him make it once in a while. So why hasn't incontrol been kicked yet? Man some posters really are dense. IdrA already stated that EG does more for low level players than any other team. That includes providing players like Incontrol, and lesser known players like Axslav an attempt to train like the Koreans. People always talk about how EG buys their players but theyre one of first and few teams to actually give their players a house to train. Second, if you think Incontrol isn't valuable to EG BEYOND his Sc2 results you are too young to understand business. If you think that age has anything to do with understanding anything then you have a seriously messed up view of the world. iNcontrol gives EG equal or more exposure than Idra, and should be valued by the team accordingly.
Age has plenty to do with it, especially when it comes to business sense and logic. The young will always react emotionally, and sometimes that emotional reaction is detrimental. The point is to learn while your are young.
There will always be a small percentage of business savvy people who are young but the majority will be older, educated, and experienced.
That guy's comment was immature and lacked logic - reflecting a poor understanding of how business works. Simple as that.
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On December 30 2011 07:03 CatNzHat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2011 07:01 Angelbelow wrote:On December 30 2011 06:53 Ryrmidon wrote:On December 30 2011 00:31 IdrA wrote:On December 29 2011 23:40 Sphen5117 wrote:On December 29 2011 23:32 integrity wrote:
well personally i like eg current roster a well balance of high caliber players(idra,huk,puma) mid teir (demuslim,machine,incontrol) and up incomers (axslav, strifeco, LZgamer)
i hope that they don't throw away their up incomers division to go around buying high caliber players. it would be one less opportunity for the NA up incomers Be careful saying that here. A couple pages back, an incredibly informed, polite, reasonable, and intelligent individual said it's only worth it to teams like EG to buy Tournament-dominating players. Basically saying that the best move for an ESPORTS team is to adopt a philosophy that stifles ESPORTS. Huurrr.. big teams are businesses. eg, and other high tier teams, cant pay bad players significant money while continuing to put out the salaries necessary to attract good players. good players are the ones who bring in viewership and thus sponsorships, to both the team and to tournaments. without those sponsorships ESPORTS ceases to exist. foreign sc2 isnt set up for a full on team house structure like korea is simply because of geography and foreign players' lack of dedication, so the expenses of allowing an upcoming player to focus only on practice arent worth it. you have to pay their entire cost of living and theres a pretty good chance you're never gonna make anything significant off them. most people dont end up being that good. in korea this is acceptable because you can just stick them in an existing team house for very low cost and kick them out when you realize they suck. the one player of every 10 who has some success in tournaments justifies this, and the 1 in every 100 who becomes a star makes the industry successful. so foreign esports has to focus on the existing stars, or buy them from korea, and hope that low level non korean teams stumble upon a talented player and do enough to let him make it once in a while. So why hasn't incontrol been kicked yet? Man some posters really are dense. IdrA already stated that EG does more for low level players than any other team. That includes providing players like Incontrol, and lesser known players like Axslav an attempt to train like the Koreans. People always talk about how EG buys their players but theyre one of first and few teams to actually give their players a house to train. Second, if you think Incontrol isn't valuable to EG BEYOND his Sc2 results you are too young to understand business. If you think that age has anything to do with understanding anything then you have a seriously messed up view of the world. iNcontrol gives EG equal or more exposure than Idra, and should be valued by the team accordingly.
Of course age has something to do with one's paradigm...
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On December 30 2011 06:56 SkullZ9 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2011 06:32 blade55555 wrote:On December 30 2011 06:32 SkullZ9 wrote:
So, back to the subject : when will the new player be announced ?
You are joking right? If you read the OP at all Friday december 30'th in a big picture :o. Yeah but we are december 30th ^^
Fireworks arent ready and Carpathian Dancers has not arrived yet...
+ Show Spoiler [NSFW] +
This is EG after all ^^
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the HSC4-List arrived with one mystery player in the Protoss lineup. As mentioned in the other thread there is a possibility it could be the new EG-guy
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they should bring back eg tasteless
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You could say in general that young people are more emotional but there are such huge differences between individuals that generally you're best served not generalizing =) That being said, the brain doesn't fully mature until you're around 25 lol.
On topic though, violet? He's teamless yeah?
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So.. I hope that it will be 30 mins from now? Or is it a couple of more hours?
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On December 30 2011 07:01 Angelbelow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2011 06:53 Ryrmidon wrote:On December 30 2011 00:31 IdrA wrote:On December 29 2011 23:40 Sphen5117 wrote:On December 29 2011 23:32 integrity wrote:
well personally i like eg current roster a well balance of high caliber players(idra,huk,puma) mid teir (demuslim,machine,incontrol) and up incomers (axslav, strifeco, LZgamer)
i hope that they don't throw away their up incomers division to go around buying high caliber players. it would be one less opportunity for the NA up incomers Be careful saying that here. A couple pages back, an incredibly informed, polite, reasonable, and intelligent individual said it's only worth it to teams like EG to buy Tournament-dominating players. Basically saying that the best move for an ESPORTS team is to adopt a philosophy that stifles ESPORTS. Huurrr.. big teams are businesses. eg, and other high tier teams, cant pay bad players significant money while continuing to put out the salaries necessary to attract good players. good players are the ones who bring in viewership and thus sponsorships, to both the team and to tournaments. without those sponsorships ESPORTS ceases to exist. foreign sc2 isnt set up for a full on team house structure like korea is simply because of geography and foreign players' lack of dedication, so the expenses of allowing an upcoming player to focus only on practice arent worth it. you have to pay their entire cost of living and theres a pretty good chance you're never gonna make anything significant off them. most people dont end up being that good. in korea this is acceptable because you can just stick them in an existing team house for very low cost and kick them out when you realize they suck. the one player of every 10 who has some success in tournaments justifies this, and the 1 in every 100 who becomes a star makes the industry successful. so foreign esports has to focus on the existing stars, or buy them from korea, and hope that low level non korean teams stumble upon a talented player and do enough to let him make it once in a while. So why hasn't incontrol been kicked yet? Man some posters really are dense. IdrA already stated that EG does more for low level players than any other team. That includes providing players like Incontrol, and lesser known players like Axslav an attempt to train like the Koreans. People always talk about how EG buys their players but theyre one of first and few teams to actually give their players a house to train. Second, if you think Incontrol isn't valuable to EG BEYOND his Sc2 results you are too young to understand business.
Well said! You're completely right. EG does do a lot for their players, whether high profile or not, but InControl is their captain and does way more for his team than most captains or teammates do on other teams.
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it's thursday afternoon in the US
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On December 30 2011 07:39 KvltMan wrote:
So.. I hope that it will be 30 mins from now? Or is it a couple of more hours?
Its probably going to be 30th Pacific Time. So at least 9 hours from now before its 12am Pacific. And thats IF they release the information at 12am.
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Man, i was under the impression they were picking up Stephano. Apparently I was lied to. It is most likely going to be JYP or Puzzle. Really impossible to know at the moment.
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On December 30 2011 07:44 Trealador wrote:
Man, i was under the impression they were picking up Stephano. Apparently I was lied to. It is most likely going to be JYP or Puzzle. Really impossible to know at the moment.
Puzzle? You mean Killer, right? Puzzle isn't teamless, he's in SlayerS.
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On December 30 2011 07:48 TR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2011 07:44 Trealador wrote:
Man, i was under the impression they were picking up Stephano. Apparently I was lied to. It is most likely going to be JYP or Puzzle. Really impossible to know at the moment. Puzzle? You mean Killer, right? Puzzle isn't teamless, he's in SlayerS.
Oh. I forgot that Hero and Puma were teamless when their teams picked them up. My mistake. It could be any slayers player or anyone in general. Im taking a wild shot in the dark instead of stating the obvious.
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maybe coaca? i guess it could be hard cos of slayers/EG partnership. though at the same time it could make it easy.
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G5? G5 is with machine playing SC2 as this post is being made ... hahaha
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why is there no liquibet for this?
does moon have any personal sponsors he could bring over? this is generally how one gets a seat in motorsport; bring your own or your own corporate sponsor's money to pay for some portion of the cost.
i'm still going with jyp regardless. imo jyp has a lot more potential than killer, and will be a better value long-term. killer has had a few foreign tourney experiences and hasn't done all that well.
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On December 30 2011 01:03 ES.Genie wrote:You dont know the meaning of the word natural right? Its not natural just because a lot of people do it. Favouring teams/players because of their nationality is irrational and - lets face it - dumb. There is absolutely no reason to do it. So please dont tell me its natural.
I think it's irrational to call everyone who prefers any player or team (in any sport) because of nationality (or regionality) dumb.
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