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VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
December 15 2011 04:03 GMT
#221
On December 15 2011 13:02 coolcor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 12:52 Dhalphir wrote:
This is how I imagine it went down at Blizzard office.

"Hm, we need a good 2 player map and a good 4 player map to replace Abyssal and Nerazim in our next ladder season. Hey! I know! Instead of using Daybreak and Calm Before the Storm, two well-tested and well-received maps from the GSL, lets make our own terrible maps and confirm how retarded we are!"

fucking pathetic.


Stop expecting daybreak it has a nonstandard expansion they will never use it unless someone can convince Browder or david kim that they are wrong about the majority of players not being able to handle or plan for something like that.

They probably disqualify calm for the "games will be decided by hidden bases at most skill levels to much" that Browder gave so you need to convince them that people will learn to patrol a worker around the bases or something.


It's not that hard to turn Daybreak's non-standard expansion into a standard expansion.
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
statikg
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada930 Posts
December 15 2011 04:04 GMT
#222
Arid looks pretty terrible for terran. Third impossibly difficult to secure. Natural difficult to defend without tank play, and very tight corridors making it basically impossible to attack into a protoss. Would bet on alot of 2 base tank allins in all MUs.
JayConn
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States408 Posts
December 15 2011 04:05 GMT
#223
Entombed Valley looks really good to me. Arid valley doesn't look great though. But now I can downvote that and also downvote Xelnaga Caverns. Great update. I'm so glad Bliz is looking at TL maps.
IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
December 15 2011 04:05 GMT
#224
It's amazing how disappointed I am with every new season in terms of maps. There are literally dozens of high quality maps out there that should be used on ladder. Dozens. And we get shit on every time. Granted, I'll probably play Entombed but the design looks utterly mediocre.

It's sad that I'm more excited about what they took out than what they put in. -_-
Time held me green and dying though I sang in my chains like the sea.
willyallthewei
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States265 Posts
December 15 2011 04:06 GMT
#225
Would it really hurt them to add in universally loved maps like Belshir Beach and Daybreak? I mean who doesn't love Belshir beach?
"never give up, never surrender"
phANT1m
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
South Africa535 Posts
December 15 2011 04:07 GMT
#226
Interesting maps. Next season hope to be more active enough to play these maps. last season way too on and off so played other maps and vetoed the 2 i hated. Hope these are nicer.
darkscream
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2310 Posts
December 15 2011 04:08 GMT
#227
On December 15 2011 13:04 statikg wrote:
Would bet on alot of 2 base tank allins in all MUs.


How is that any different than the ladder maps today?

DYEAlabaster
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada1009 Posts
December 15 2011 04:08 GMT
#228
Sad to see Metal and XNC still here... *sigh*.

Arid looks like a better version of XNC, Emtombed looks great. Glad to see they're learning (slowly)
shtdisturbance
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada613 Posts
December 15 2011 04:09 GMT
#229
xel naga still in the pool? Odd. Is this final I am wondering?
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
December 15 2011 04:09 GMT
#230
On December 15 2011 13:06 willyallthewei wrote:
Would it really hurt them to add in universally loved maps like Belshir Beach and Daybreak? I mean who doesn't love Belshir beach?

Any non-zerg? Its one of the most imbalanced GSL maps ever.
HeavenResign
Profile Joined April 2011
United States702 Posts
December 15 2011 04:09 GMT
#231
Pretty stoked on these.
Mawi
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden4365 Posts
December 15 2011 04:10 GMT
#232
Glad they removed those 2 maps was soooo crappy, but i dont like these new ones so much :S
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cmen15
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1519 Posts
December 15 2011 04:10 GMT
#233
Entombed Valley looks so zerg favored im scared to pvz on that shit....
Greed leads to just about all losses.
Hoodlum
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States350 Posts
December 15 2011 04:11 GMT
#234
looks like they are sticking it to protoss to me
xO gaming owner
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
December 15 2011 04:12 GMT
#235
On December 15 2011 13:09 Bagi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 13:06 willyallthewei wrote:
Would it really hurt them to add in universally loved maps like Belshir Beach and Daybreak? I mean who doesn't love Belshir beach?

Any non-zerg? Its one of the most imbalanced GSL maps ever.

You must not watch a lot of GSL.

Bel'shir has been fixed since the days of it being OP for Zerg. It's pretty balanced these days.
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
Proko
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1022 Posts
December 15 2011 04:12 GMT
#236
Really sad to still see XNC in the pool and nerazim removed. I think I will have to thumb down the two player map as it's too awful for Protoss.
Caster duos should compliment each others' strengths. "You look very handsome today, Tasteless."
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
December 15 2011 04:12 GMT
#237
hahaha people on the front saying the arid map is good. if you look closely, you can see how hellish it is going to be trying to keep hellions out of the nat.
coolcor
Profile Joined February 2011
520 Posts
December 15 2011 04:13 GMT
#238
On December 15 2011 13:03 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 13:02 coolcor wrote:
On December 15 2011 12:52 Dhalphir wrote:
This is how I imagine it went down at Blizzard office.

"Hm, we need a good 2 player map and a good 4 player map to replace Abyssal and Nerazim in our next ladder season. Hey! I know! Instead of using Daybreak and Calm Before the Storm, two well-tested and well-received maps from the GSL, lets make our own terrible maps and confirm how retarded we are!"

fucking pathetic.


Stop expecting daybreak it has a nonstandard expansion they will never use it unless someone can convince Browder or david kim that they are wrong about the majority of players not being able to handle or plan for something like that.

They probably disqualify calm for the "games will be decided by hidden bases at most skill levels to much" that Browder gave so you need to convince them that people will learn to patrol a worker around the bases or something.


It's not that hard to turn Daybreak's non-standard expansion into a standard expansion.


But then there are now multiple versions of daybreak, resulting in possible confusion if all tournaments don't standardize on one version. If all tournaments should adopt the ladder version hopefully a change designed at simplifying things for low level players doesn't upset the balance or the awesome games it has been giving at the highest level of play. There must be a reason they made it have less minerals in the first place right?

I also remember a video interview with david kim a while ago saying they won't be changing the tournament maps anymore after people complained about what they did with tal'darim but I'm not going bother finding it again.
TheAmazombie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States3714 Posts
December 15 2011 04:13 GMT
#239
Ha. Awesome. The new maps don't look too bad either...could it be true that Blizz is actually trying to clean up their map pool some?
We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery, we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. -Charlie Chaplin
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
December 15 2011 04:13 GMT
#240
I'm liking Arid Plateau. Looks very Zergy!
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