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On December 15 2011 06:25 Chenz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 06:23 KimJongIlJr wrote:
Khaldor tried to ask him a bit ago on his stream about the Blizzard cup. His response? "Shit happens"
Take that as you will. Actually, that was regarding the fact that he lost all his games, not about his drone rush. Don't spread misinformation, please.
Not entirely related but, on Khaldor stream, while watching Goody play a few minutes ago, Nani said he once played goody and only had 5 probes left vs 30 of Goody and stayed in the game because "well, it's goody". And then he added "I should have 5 probe rushed him". Anyone who can appreciate his extremely dry humor and arrogance should turn to it right now, it's gold. For the others, it's probably better to just do sthg else. I'm dreaming of a Khaldor+Idra+Naniwa casting evening in Korea in the near future.
Edit :as for the apology, I think it's a formal thing, it's good he's done it, cultural differences are what they are, he'll learn as he stays in Korea, the situation didn't require more than this.
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Very nice, Quantic and Naniwa. Apology accepted.
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This is good, professional, overall wonderful. Now it might actually open up an opportunity for GOM to save face in terms of how they acted, getting together, being a bit diplomatic, you know, grown up stuff without having to rethink measure or having to step back on decisions. If he gets a second chance next season I guess 90% of people would be very fine with it although still a little mad as the internet usually is.
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Quantic is standing by its players despite all the shitstorm, I really respect that. And I think they dealt with the situation almost perfectly.
And Naniwa, I'm still a fan. Just think things through before doing stuff like this next time I guess. We all know the rationale behind his decision, just in that context it was not really appropriate.
Good luck in the future Naniwa!
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On December 15 2011 06:28 ES.Genie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 06:08 LiamTheZerg wrote:
I respect the team, but have lost any respect to Naniwa or his cut & paste apology. Because Naniwa is the first player to ever cheese in a tournament. Good point.
Naniwa didn't cheese, he did something that he knew had a 0% of winning. When people cheese, they do it because they have a chance to win. Nani admitted he didn't try. If you don't like the punishment, fine, but don't pretend like what Nani did was a legitimate try. Just look at the VOD.
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And now we need Mr.Chae apology for what he said!
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On December 15 2011 06:30 chadissilent wrote:
That apology wasn't written by NaNiwa, Quantic PR wrote it up for him.
i hope so, it would disappoint me if naniwa really apologize for doing nothing wrong
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On December 15 2011 06:22 Tyrant0 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 06:19 JoeSchmoe wrote:On December 15 2011 06:18 Ashenshugar wrote:On December 15 2011 06:08 LiamTheZerg wrote:
I respect the team, but have lost any respect to Naniwa or his cut & paste apology. Being an adult and a professional means being able to control yourself, which is something he has failed to show he is capable of time and time again. Also, i dislike the asking to reconsider for a second chance. He openly disrespected GOM during a tournament that was meant to celebrate a great year of StarCraft. It's only a month, he can and should wait. I don't understand where everyone gets this sense of entitlement from. You mess up, you accept your punishment, and you learn from it for next time. Gom didn't man up & take the blame & you're not criticizing that.. They didn't even apologize to the fans for the horrible tournament format that allowed this to happen - Naniwa did man up & apologize. If you read his statement you can see he's genuinely confused about this situation. Silly bias is silly.. because GOM didn't do anything wrong and have nothing to apologize for? don't like the format? don't accept the invitation and play in their tournament. Sorry, gom's tournament allowed it to happen. A really simple fix would have made it impossible, and when it happened it's all the player's fault cause it isn't in the rules. You don't have to be so emotionless and accept any and anything gomtv says as law.
guess what? it's also not in the rules that says gom can't disqualify players they think behaved unprofessionally in their tounament. oh and there's also no rule that says you can't take a shit in your own booth. someone needs to do that so they can criticize gom for not implementing a rule to prevent that from happening in the first place.
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On December 15 2011 06:23 Angel_ wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 06:17 Paladia wrote:
There has to be some kind of legal security if these tournaments are ever suppose to be taken seriously. If you do an action, you must be able to forsee the consequences based on the ruleset.
In no way can you foresee that doing a probe rush in a 100% worthless game in a completely different tournament would all of a sudden get you banned from Code S which you've already been granted a slot in. You can't have tournament organizers decide on a whim who gets banned and who gets special treatment.
So while Naniwa did something poorly, GomTV has as well. I would disagree entirely, even though it's not really a good place in this thread, though by the same token, your post has no place in this thread either. You even pretending GSL isn't taken seriously is ignorant at the very best. Beyond that, are you really suggesting that players need specific rules to conduct themselves appropriately and professionally? Really? And it's not up to tournaments to decide what is and isn't proper in the first place? I'm sorry if you don't feel that players should act professionally because "they're just people" or whatever argument you'd like to make, but it's past time that people understand that SC is something that's going to take itself seriously and have standards, and when you violate those standards it's bad for everyone in esports, and beyond that, no one person is above that just because they have some fans.
As a law student myself, yes, I think they should have clear rules so people know what is allowed and what isn't. It is very important that people can forsee the consequences of their actions. If Naniwa knew that the result of a worker rush in a meaningless game would mean a ban from Code S he wouldn't do it, that is 100% for certain. No one can say that they could forsee the consequences of that action prior to the game and as such, there is no legal security.
Hopefully, GOM will, after this apology that saves them some face, realize that perhaps they went overboard and part of the fault is on them. My prediction is that they will allow Naniwa to keep his Code S spot but won't be able to use it this upcoming season but rather has to wait for the next.
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On December 15 2011 06:28 Wicelo wrote:
This whole story is pathetic Naniwa did nothing wrong by probe rushing it's the tournament format that is fucked up. I'm disapointed that Naniwa apologized though he should assume his acts proudly not surrendering to those silly pieces of shit.
some times you just need to suck up your pride and fake sincerity
..just like he apparently should have faked that game
this statement is probably what is best for naniwa. he has nothing to gain from sticking to what he and we know was right. the people in charge have a differing opinion and they hold the hammer
very unfortunate situation
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On December 15 2011 06:27 felle wrote:
Fucking thrash koreans bitching like whore niggers about their pro bullshit suck a big fucking dick it makes me so fucking mad when they think they are so superior.
LOL wow what garbage.
Nobody thinks they are superior and I'm glad the matter is resolved now
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On December 15 2011 06:27 felle wrote:
Fucking thrash koreans bitching like whore niggers about their pro bullshit suck a big fucking dick it makes me so fucking mad when they think they are so superior.
this one deserves permanent ban i guess
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<3 naniwa, really hope (and think) gom will give him a 2nd chance at code S if he can prove he's sincere behind his apology. I, as a fan of Naniwa and Nestea, highly look forward to their rematch, and only hope its at the finals of a Code S season
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Wow! I can't even see the strings!
Of every emotion I've felt as a fan of Foreigners and of Nestea over the past 24 hours, the main one is this: I really hope that Naniwa gets back into Code S.
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On December 15 2011 06:27 Fjodorov wrote:
Pretty painfull to see a honest guy like Naniwa have to do this ceromonial dance to please the community. All he wants to do is play his game, when he loses he wants to gtfo and prepare for the next competition. The world is what it is, ppl need their drama, acting, and fake games.
This... Sucks that gom is to powerful to just say "fuck em"... Nani just wants to play and they force him through all this shit.. Still well managed by quantic, although its nothing but ass kissing really.
Guess you just have to bite the sour apple sometimes.. Keep fighting nani, dont become a korean robot please <3
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some of you guys are hillarious, you all complain about lack of professionalism, but if quantic and nani do a professional statment, which is obviously written by people from PR, you complain thats this is not by nani....
I doubt any star writes his statements him/her self, why should a pro player do?
decide what your oppinion is, and stop hate'ing....
thumbs up nani&quantic, live goes on, keep your heads up guys
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On December 15 2011 06:10 chosenkerrigan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 06:09 KAkos MAgos wrote:
well dont apologize. idra ragequits and is badmannered too and no one says something.
GOMTV is being sillly with its descision. comon. ITS A GAME WTF. thank go we are not like the koreans and take that whole gaming thing so seriously.
thank god not every one thinks like you do
Thank god not everyone thinks like you do. The entire world would be north korea where doing anything that isnt ok by the leaders will get you hung.
User was warned for this post
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On December 15 2011 06:22 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 06:19 twndomn wrote:
It's really a cultural gap. Not even IdrA would dare to do what Naniwa has done, while IN Korea. IdrA spent years in Korea to understand Korean culture (perhaps respect, status quo... etc) and then to get some respects from the Koreans. Naniwa has yet to do that. I think it's a cultural gap both ways. I think if Sundance was in Mr. Chae's position, you'd see the league taking responsibility for the format and not punishing the player this harshly. Both parties have been disrespectful and acted inappropriately. One has apologized and taken responsibility and now the other ought to.
Quoting this, because I can't say it better myself.
Hopefully the situation can be rectified so Naniwa can play Code S in January. Hope for the best for all of the involved parties.
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Ahh, that's what I'm talking about.
Good job, good job.
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all of this just made me a bigger fan of quantic and naniwa in general!
here's to a good 2012!
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