The problem with insisting that foreigners qualify for Code S or even Code A is that the qualification process is long and unreliable. It is unfair and even stupid to think that a foreigner would stay in Korea for 1 month+ to try to qualify for a tournament known to have the hardest qualification process in the world. Keep in mind that after they qualify, they are not guaranteed money. In fact, it is extremely likely that they won't win any money and they will lose lots by flying and staying in Korea.
GOM realizes this. This is why there were literally no foreigners for several months after IdrA, TLO, Jinro and all the other foreign players left Korea. HuK is the lone exception, but look at his record; it took him several months to make it into Code A, not even to place, but to just qualify. It is really fucking stupid for foreigners to even attempt to qualify via normal channels when a lot of them can just ignore GSL and make money/compete elsewhere. The risk-benefit is super high risk, very little benefit. The only way GOM is going to get foreigners not named HuK to play in their tournament is through invites.
TLDR: GOM's invites isn't purely based on foreigners = viewers = money. GOM's invites is because without invites, they would have basically no foreigners in their "global" star league.
On December 16 2011 04:44 Ryuu314 wrote: The problem with insisting that foreigners qualify for Code S or even Code A is that the qualification process is long and unreliable. It is unfair and even stupid to think that a foreigner would stay in Korea for 1 month+ to try to qualify for a tournament known to have the hardest qualification process in the world. Keep in mind that after they qualify, they are not guaranteed money. In fact, it is extremely likely that they won't win any money and they will lose lots by flying and staying in Korea.
GOM realizes this. This is why there were literally no foreigners for several months after IdrA, TLO, Jinro and all the other foreign players left Korea. HuK is the lone exception, but look at his record; it took him several months to make it into Code A, not even to place, but to just qualify. It is really fucking stupid for foreigners to even attempt to qualify via normal channels when a lot of them can just ignore GSL and make money/compete elsewhere. The risk-benefit is super high risk, very little benefit. The only way GOM is going to get foreigners not named HuK to play in their tournament is through invites.
TLDR: GOM's invites isn't purely based on foreigners = viewers = money. GOM's invites is because without invites, they would have basically no foreigners in their "global" star league.
You're also forgetting Jinro, who refused at least one invite because he wants to (and will) qualify on his own merit.
On December 16 2011 04:44 Ryuu314 wrote: The problem with insisting that foreigners qualify for Code S or even Code A is that the qualification process is long and unreliable. It is unfair and even stupid to think that a foreigner would stay in Korea for 1 month+ to try to qualify for a tournament known to have the hardest qualification process in the world. Keep in mind that after they qualify, they are not guaranteed money. In fact, it is extremely likely that they won't win any money and they will lose lots by flying and staying in Korea.
GOM realizes this. This is why there were literally no foreigners for several months after IdrA, TLO, Jinro and all the other foreign players left Korea. HuK is the lone exception, but look at his record; it took him several months to make it into Code A, not even to place, but to just qualify. It is really fucking stupid for foreigners to even attempt to qualify via normal channels when a lot of them can just ignore GSL and make money/compete elsewhere. The risk-benefit is super high risk, very little benefit. The only way GOM is going to get foreigners not named HuK to play in their tournament is through invites.
TLDR: GOM's invites isn't purely based on foreigners = viewers = money. GOM's invites is because without invites, they would have basically no foreigners in their "global" star league.
Maybe they should change the format if they truely want to be a "global" star league? Atm the format is the way it is and seeding non-koreans (ie Hero and Puma will probably never be invited) is more or less equal to taking a dump on the hard working guys who struggle each month.
It's like a bandaid fix. Either they should restructure their league format to allow more foreigners to play shorter periods in korea or just stick to the qualification format they already have. Handouts and preferential treatment just lowers the overall quality and integrity of the league in my opinion.
On December 16 2011 04:44 Ryuu314 wrote: The problem with insisting that foreigners qualify for Code S or even Code A is that the qualification process is long and unreliable. It is unfair and even stupid to think that a foreigner would stay in Korea for 1 month+ to try to qualify for a tournament known to have the hardest qualification process in the world. Keep in mind that after they qualify, they are not guaranteed money. In fact, it is extremely likely that they won't win any money and they will lose lots by flying and staying in Korea.
GOM realizes this. This is why there were literally no foreigners for several months after IdrA, TLO, Jinro and all the other foreign players left Korea. HuK is the lone exception, but look at his record; it took him several months to make it into Code A, not even to place, but to just qualify. It is really fucking stupid for foreigners to even attempt to qualify via normal channels when a lot of them can just ignore GSL and make money/compete elsewhere. The risk-benefit is super high risk, very little benefit. The only way GOM is going to get foreigners not named HuK to play in their tournament is through invites.
TLDR: GOM's invites isn't purely based on foreigners = viewers = money. GOM's invites is because without invites, they would have basically no foreigners in their "global" star league.
You're also forgetting Jinro, who refused at least one invite because he wants to (and will) qualify on his own merit.
you're right. I forgot about jinro. that says something about (ex) liquid players doesn't it? they work harder/have more dedication!
On December 16 2011 04:44 Ryuu314 wrote: The problem with insisting that foreigners qualify for Code S or even Code A is that the qualification process is long and unreliable. It is unfair and even stupid to think that a foreigner would stay in Korea for 1 month+ to try to qualify for a tournament known to have the hardest qualification process in the world. Keep in mind that after they qualify, they are not guaranteed money. In fact, it is extremely likely that they won't win any money and they will lose lots by flying and staying in Korea.
GOM realizes this. This is why there were literally no foreigners for several months after IdrA, TLO, Jinro and all the other foreign players left Korea. HuK is the lone exception, but look at his record; it took him several months to make it into Code A, not even to place, but to just qualify. It is really fucking stupid for foreigners to even attempt to qualify via normal channels when a lot of them can just ignore GSL and make money/compete elsewhere. The risk-benefit is super high risk, very little benefit. The only way GOM is going to get foreigners not named HuK to play in their tournament is through invites.
TLDR: GOM's invites isn't purely based on foreigners = viewers = money. GOM's invites is because without invites, they would have basically no foreigners in their "global" star league.
Maybe they should change the format if they truely want to be a "global" star league? Atm the format is the way it is and seeding non-koreans (ie Hero and Puma will probably never be invited) is more or less equal to taking a dump on the hard working guys who struggle each month.
It's like a bandaid fix. Either they should restructure their league format to allow more foreigners to play shorter periods in korea or just stick to the qualification format they already have. Handouts and preferential treatment just lowers the overall quality and integrity of the league in my opinion.
I agree that the format is an issue for foreigners. Either they stick with the current format, which is extremely difficult, which adds to the prestige, but essentially ensure that very very little foreigners will attempt to play in the GSL due to risk-benefit.
I'm not entirely sure what you mean by the bolded area. Are you saying they should invite more foreigners to play? I'm confused lol x]
As for GOM's actual picks, I don't really have that much of an issue with it. IdrA was Code S when he left. Ofc there's no saying he would've maintained his Code S had he never left but it's justified imo. Sen is, according to TLPD's ranking, the 3rd highest ranked foreigner, under Naniwa and Stephano. Nani well... and Stephano doesn't want to play in GSL. So it makes sense to give Sen the spot.
On December 16 2011 04:44 Ryuu314 wrote: The problem with insisting that foreigners qualify for Code S or even Code A is that the qualification process is long and unreliable. It is unfair and even stupid to think that a foreigner would stay in Korea for 1 month+ to try to qualify for a tournament known to have the hardest qualification process in the world. Keep in mind that after they qualify, they are not guaranteed money. In fact, it is extremely likely that they won't win any money and they will lose lots by flying and staying in Korea.
GOM realizes this. This is why there were literally no foreigners for several months after IdrA, TLO, Jinro and all the other foreign players left Korea. HuK is the lone exception, but look at his record; it took him several months to make it into Code A, not even to place, but to just qualify. It is really fucking stupid for foreigners to even attempt to qualify via normal channels when a lot of them can just ignore GSL and make money/compete elsewhere. The risk-benefit is super high risk, very little benefit. The only way GOM is going to get foreigners not named HuK to play in their tournament is through invites.
TLDR: GOM's invites isn't purely based on foreigners = viewers = money. GOM's invites is because without invites, they would have basically no foreigners in their "global" star league.
You're also forgetting Jinro, who refused at least one invite because he wants to (and will) qualify on his own merit.
you're right. I forgot about jinro. that says something about (ex) liquid players doesn't it? they work harder/have more dedication!
On December 16 2011 04:44 Ryuu314 wrote: The problem with insisting that foreigners qualify for Code S or even Code A is that the qualification process is long and unreliable. It is unfair and even stupid to think that a foreigner would stay in Korea for 1 month+ to try to qualify for a tournament known to have the hardest qualification process in the world. Keep in mind that after they qualify, they are not guaranteed money. In fact, it is extremely likely that they won't win any money and they will lose lots by flying and staying in Korea.
GOM realizes this. This is why there were literally no foreigners for several months after IdrA, TLO, Jinro and all the other foreign players left Korea. HuK is the lone exception, but look at his record; it took him several months to make it into Code A, not even to place, but to just qualify. It is really fucking stupid for foreigners to even attempt to qualify via normal channels when a lot of them can just ignore GSL and make money/compete elsewhere. The risk-benefit is super high risk, very little benefit. The only way GOM is going to get foreigners not named HuK to play in their tournament is through invites.
TLDR: GOM's invites isn't purely based on foreigners = viewers = money. GOM's invites is because without invites, they would have basically no foreigners in their "global" star league.
Maybe they should change the format if they truely want to be a "global" star league? Atm the format is the way it is and seeding non-koreans (ie Hero and Puma will probably never be invited) is more or less equal to taking a dump on the hard working guys who struggle each month.
It's like a bandaid fix. Either they should restructure their league format to allow more foreigners to play shorter periods in korea or just stick to the qualification format they already have. Handouts and preferential treatment just lowers the overall quality and integrity of the league in my opinion.
I agree that the format is an issue for foreigners. Either they stick with the current format, which is extremely difficult, which adds to the prestige, but essentially ensure that very very little foreigners will attempt to play in the GSL due to risk-benefit.
I'm not entirely sure what you mean by the bolded area. Are you saying they should invite more foreigners to play? I'm confused lol x]
Might have been a poorly worded sentence. What i mean is either have a tournament format better suited to foreigners coming to korea to compete for shorter amount of time (Like a 1-2 week long tournament with daily matches and weekend finals) or just keep it as it is and live with the fact that foreigners wont try to qualify unless invited directly to code A/S.
On December 16 2011 01:46 SKYFISH_ wrote: i hope he gets destroyed in korea
nothing good comes out of 15+k mentally challenged fans when idra wins a match or two.
I hope they both get destroyed so we'll see less stupid undeserving invites into code S.
hence Swedish like you believe that Unsportsmanlike Swedish progamer gets to play in code S, no surprise there.
Nice generalization, hopefully you'll be banned soon enough.
Nice generation on hoping idrA and Sen both "get destroyed for less stupid undeserving invites," hopefully you'll be banned soon enough for supporting these hateful comments from your Swedish fellows.
On December 16 2011 04:44 Ryuu314 wrote: The problem with insisting that foreigners qualify for Code S or even Code A is that the qualification process is long and unreliable. It is unfair and even stupid to think that a foreigner would stay in Korea for 1 month+ to try to qualify for a tournament known to have the hardest qualification process in the world. Keep in mind that after they qualify, they are not guaranteed money. In fact, it is extremely likely that they won't win any money and they will lose lots by flying and staying in Korea.
GOM realizes this. This is why there were literally no foreigners for several months after IdrA, TLO, Jinro and all the other foreign players left Korea. HuK is the lone exception, but look at his record; it took him several months to make it into Code A, not even to place, but to just qualify. It is really fucking stupid for foreigners to even attempt to qualify via normal channels when a lot of them can just ignore GSL and make money/compete elsewhere. The risk-benefit is super high risk, very little benefit. The only way GOM is going to get foreigners not named HuK to play in their tournament is through invites.
TLDR: GOM's invites isn't purely based on foreigners = viewers = money. GOM's invites is because without invites, they would have basically no foreigners in their "global" star league.
You're also forgetting Jinro, who refused at least one invite because he wants to (and will) qualify on his own merit.
you're right. I forgot about jinro. that says something about (ex) liquid players doesn't it? they work harder/have more dedication!
On December 16 2011 04:50 karpo wrote:
On December 16 2011 04:44 Ryuu314 wrote: The problem with insisting that foreigners qualify for Code S or even Code A is that the qualification process is long and unreliable. It is unfair and even stupid to think that a foreigner would stay in Korea for 1 month+ to try to qualify for a tournament known to have the hardest qualification process in the world. Keep in mind that after they qualify, they are not guaranteed money. In fact, it is extremely likely that they won't win any money and they will lose lots by flying and staying in Korea.
GOM realizes this. This is why there were literally no foreigners for several months after IdrA, TLO, Jinro and all the other foreign players left Korea. HuK is the lone exception, but look at his record; it took him several months to make it into Code A, not even to place, but to just qualify. It is really fucking stupid for foreigners to even attempt to qualify via normal channels when a lot of them can just ignore GSL and make money/compete elsewhere. The risk-benefit is super high risk, very little benefit. The only way GOM is going to get foreigners not named HuK to play in their tournament is through invites.
TLDR: GOM's invites isn't purely based on foreigners = viewers = money. GOM's invites is because without invites, they would have basically no foreigners in their "global" star league.
Maybe they should change the format if they truely want to be a "global" star league? Atm the format is the way it is and seeding non-koreans (ie Hero and Puma will probably never be invited) is more or less equal to taking a dump on the hard working guys who struggle each month.
It's like a bandaid fix. Either they should restructure their league format to allow more foreigners to play shorter periods in korea or just stick to the qualification format they already have. Handouts and preferential treatment just lowers the overall quality and integrity of the league in my opinion.
I agree that the format is an issue for foreigners. Either they stick with the current format, which is extremely difficult, which adds to the prestige, but essentially ensure that very very little foreigners will attempt to play in the GSL due to risk-benefit.
I'm not entirely sure what you mean by the bolded area. Are you saying they should invite more foreigners to play? I'm confused lol x]
Might have been a poorly worded sentence. What i mean is either have a tournament format better suited to foreigners coming to korea to compete for shorter amount of time (Like a 1-2 week long tournament with daily matches and weekend finals) or just keep it as it is and live with the fact that foreigners wont try to qualify unless invited directly to code A/S.
A shorter tourney format would work, but GSL would lose a ton of prestige imo. A big part of why GSL is so highly regarded is because it's simply so damn hard to do well; the length has something to do with that as longer tourney = more players = harder tourney.
the thing is, GOM wants to be as global as they can while maintaining prestige. The only way they can fix that is to invite. While it's definitely unfair to Koreans, unless someone has a better idea that doesn't really change tourney format drastically, I really don't see a way around invites.\
I mean, GOM's picks of Sen and Idra aren't really that odd or undeserving if you really think about it. IdrA was Code S when he left. Ofc there's no saying he would've maintained his Code S had he never left but it's justified imo. Sen is, according to TLPD's ranking, the 3rd highest ranked foreigner, under Naniwa and Stephano. Nani well... and Stephano doesn't want to play in GSL. So it makes sense to give Sen the spot. Maybe GOM saw Sen listed as number 3 on the TLPD sidebar and invited him cause of that?
On December 16 2011 01:46 SKYFISH_ wrote: i hope he gets destroyed in korea
nothing good comes out of 15+k mentally challenged fans when idra wins a match or two.
I hope they both get destroyed so we'll see less stupid undeserving invites into code S.
hence Swedish like you believe that Unsportsmanlike Swedish progamer gets to play in code S, no surprise there.
Nice generalization, hopefully you'll be banned soon enough.
Nice generation on hoping idrA and Sen both "get destroyed for less stupid undeserving invites," hopefully you'll be banned soon enough for supporting these hateful comments from your Swedish fellows.
In what way are they hateful? My opinion is that their invites into the most prestigious league in SC2 are undeserving. I hope they fail so GOM might realize that inviting players based on them not being korean and placing decently in lesser tournaments is a bad idea.
You've been generalising alot in other threads too. I've replied to you before about how it's not about where the players come from. Naniwa or whatever other player from sweden that might get the seed to code S would be just as undeserving as Sen and Idra are now. I just think it's a flawed system.
On December 16 2011 04:44 Ryuu314 wrote: The problem with insisting that foreigners qualify for Code S or even Code A is that the qualification process is long and unreliable. It is unfair and even stupid to think that a foreigner would stay in Korea for 1 month+ to try to qualify for a tournament known to have the hardest qualification process in the world. Keep in mind that after they qualify, they are not guaranteed money. In fact, it is extremely likely that they won't win any money and they will lose lots by flying and staying in Korea.
GOM realizes this. This is why there were literally no foreigners for several months after IdrA, TLO, Jinro and all the other foreign players left Korea. HuK is the lone exception, but look at his record; it took him several months to make it into Code A, not even to place, but to just qualify. It is really fucking stupid for foreigners to even attempt to qualify via normal channels when a lot of them can just ignore GSL and make money/compete elsewhere. The risk-benefit is super high risk, very little benefit. The only way GOM is going to get foreigners not named HuK to play in their tournament is through invites.
TLDR: GOM's invites isn't purely based on foreigners = viewers = money. GOM's invites is because without invites, they would have basically no foreigners in their "global" star league.
You're also forgetting Jinro, who refused at least one invite because he wants to (and will) qualify on his own merit.
you're right. I forgot about jinro. that says something about (ex) liquid players doesn't it? they work harder/have more dedication!
On December 16 2011 04:50 karpo wrote:
On December 16 2011 04:44 Ryuu314 wrote: The problem with insisting that foreigners qualify for Code S or even Code A is that the qualification process is long and unreliable. It is unfair and even stupid to think that a foreigner would stay in Korea for 1 month+ to try to qualify for a tournament known to have the hardest qualification process in the world. Keep in mind that after they qualify, they are not guaranteed money. In fact, it is extremely likely that they won't win any money and they will lose lots by flying and staying in Korea.
GOM realizes this. This is why there were literally no foreigners for several months after IdrA, TLO, Jinro and all the other foreign players left Korea. HuK is the lone exception, but look at his record; it took him several months to make it into Code A, not even to place, but to just qualify. It is really fucking stupid for foreigners to even attempt to qualify via normal channels when a lot of them can just ignore GSL and make money/compete elsewhere. The risk-benefit is super high risk, very little benefit. The only way GOM is going to get foreigners not named HuK to play in their tournament is through invites.
TLDR: GOM's invites isn't purely based on foreigners = viewers = money. GOM's invites is because without invites, they would have basically no foreigners in their "global" star league.
Maybe they should change the format if they truely want to be a "global" star league? Atm the format is the way it is and seeding non-koreans (ie Hero and Puma will probably never be invited) is more or less equal to taking a dump on the hard working guys who struggle each month.
It's like a bandaid fix. Either they should restructure their league format to allow more foreigners to play shorter periods in korea or just stick to the qualification format they already have. Handouts and preferential treatment just lowers the overall quality and integrity of the league in my opinion.
I agree that the format is an issue for foreigners. Either they stick with the current format, which is extremely difficult, which adds to the prestige, but essentially ensure that very very little foreigners will attempt to play in the GSL due to risk-benefit.
I'm not entirely sure what you mean by the bolded area. Are you saying they should invite more foreigners to play? I'm confused lol x]
Might have been a poorly worded sentence. What i mean is either have a tournament format better suited to foreigners coming to korea to compete for shorter amount of time (Like a 1-2 week long tournament with daily matches and weekend finals) or just keep it as it is and live with the fact that foreigners wont try to qualify unless invited directly to code A/S.
A shorter tourney format would work, but GSL would lose a ton of prestige imo. A big part of why GSL is so highly regarded is because it's simply so damn hard to do well; the length has something to do with that as longer tourney = more players = harder tourney.
the thing is, GOM wants to be as global as they can while maintaining prestige. The only way they can fix that is to invite. While it's definitely unfair to Koreans, unless someone has a better idea that doesn't really change tourney format drastically, I really don't see a way around invites.\
I mean, GOM's picks of Sen and Idra aren't really that odd or undeserving if you really think about it. IdrA was Code S when he left. Ofc there's no saying he would've maintained his Code S had he never left but it's justified imo. Sen is, according to TLPD's ranking, the 3rd highest ranked foreigner, under Naniwa and Stephano. Nani well... and Stephano doesn't want to play in GSL. So it makes sense to give Sen the spot. Maybe GOM saw Sen listed as number 3 on the TLPD sidebar and invited him cause of that?
Yeah they are obviously among the best foreigners. I just dislike preferential treatment in what's supposed to the a "best of the best" league you work hard to get into.
On December 16 2011 04:20 Canucklehead wrote: The only thing I don't like is that it doesn't matter how far idra goes in code s because he's only going to be their for 1 season, then go back to the states once mlgs, etc start up again. Therefore, he's just going to vacate his gsl spot again after 1 season.
On December 16 2011 04:44 Ryuu314 wrote: The problem with insisting that foreigners qualify for Code S or even Code A is that the qualification process is long and unreliable. It is unfair and even stupid to think that a foreigner would stay in Korea for 1 month+ to try to qualify for a tournament known to have the hardest qualification process in the world. Keep in mind that after they qualify, they are not guaranteed money. In fact, it is extremely likely that they won't win any money and they will lose lots by flying and staying in Korea.
GOM realizes this. This is why there were literally no foreigners for several months after IdrA, TLO, Jinro and all the other foreign players left Korea. HuK is the lone exception, but look at his record; it took him several months to make it into Code A, not even to place, but to just qualify. It is really fucking stupid for foreigners to even attempt to qualify via normal channels when a lot of them can just ignore GSL and make money/compete elsewhere. The risk-benefit is super high risk, very little benefit. The only way GOM is going to get foreigners not named HuK to play in their tournament is through invites.
TLDR: GOM's invites isn't purely based on foreigners = viewers = money. GOM's invites is because without invites, they would have basically no foreigners in their "global" star league.
You're also forgetting Jinro, who refused at least one invite because he wants to (and will) qualify on his own merit.
you're right. I forgot about jinro. that says something about (ex) liquid players doesn't it? they work harder/have more dedication!
On December 16 2011 04:50 karpo wrote:
On December 16 2011 04:44 Ryuu314 wrote: The problem with insisting that foreigners qualify for Code S or even Code A is that the qualification process is long and unreliable. It is unfair and even stupid to think that a foreigner would stay in Korea for 1 month+ to try to qualify for a tournament known to have the hardest qualification process in the world. Keep in mind that after they qualify, they are not guaranteed money. In fact, it is extremely likely that they won't win any money and they will lose lots by flying and staying in Korea.
GOM realizes this. This is why there were literally no foreigners for several months after IdrA, TLO, Jinro and all the other foreign players left Korea. HuK is the lone exception, but look at his record; it took him several months to make it into Code A, not even to place, but to just qualify. It is really fucking stupid for foreigners to even attempt to qualify via normal channels when a lot of them can just ignore GSL and make money/compete elsewhere. The risk-benefit is super high risk, very little benefit. The only way GOM is going to get foreigners not named HuK to play in their tournament is through invites.
TLDR: GOM's invites isn't purely based on foreigners = viewers = money. GOM's invites is because without invites, they would have basically no foreigners in their "global" star league.
Maybe they should change the format if they truely want to be a "global" star league? Atm the format is the way it is and seeding non-koreans (ie Hero and Puma will probably never be invited) is more or less equal to taking a dump on the hard working guys who struggle each month.
It's like a bandaid fix. Either they should restructure their league format to allow more foreigners to play shorter periods in korea or just stick to the qualification format they already have. Handouts and preferential treatment just lowers the overall quality and integrity of the league in my opinion.
I agree that the format is an issue for foreigners. Either they stick with the current format, which is extremely difficult, which adds to the prestige, but essentially ensure that very very little foreigners will attempt to play in the GSL due to risk-benefit.
I'm not entirely sure what you mean by the bolded area. Are you saying they should invite more foreigners to play? I'm confused lol x]
Might have been a poorly worded sentence. What i mean is either have a tournament format better suited to foreigners coming to korea to compete for shorter amount of time (Like a 1-2 week long tournament with daily matches and weekend finals) or just keep it as it is and live with the fact that foreigners wont try to qualify unless invited directly to code A/S.
A shorter tourney format would work, but GSL would lose a ton of prestige imo. A big part of why GSL is so highly regarded is because it's simply so damn hard to do well; the length has something to do with that as longer tourney = more players = harder tourney.
the thing is, GOM wants to be as global as they can while maintaining prestige. The only way they can fix that is to invite. While it's definitely unfair to Koreans, unless someone has a better idea that doesn't really change tourney format drastically, I really don't see a way around invites.\
I mean, GOM's picks of Sen and Idra aren't really that odd or undeserving if you really think about it. IdrA was Code S when he left. Ofc there's no saying he would've maintained his Code S had he never left but it's justified imo. Sen is, according to TLPD's ranking, the 3rd highest ranked foreigner, under Naniwa and Stephano. Nani well... and Stephano doesn't want to play in GSL. So it makes sense to give Sen the spot. Maybe GOM saw Sen listed as number 3 on the TLPD sidebar and invited him cause of that?
Yeah they are obviously among the best foreigners. I just dislike preferential treatment in what's supposed to the a "best of the best" league you work hard to get into.
Yeah, when I first heard about the invites I wasn't all that excited cause it felt a little undeserving. After thinking about it I don't think it's that bad.
In all honesty, I feel that GOM's decisions atm are too vague. If GOM sets up a regularly-maintained, publicly visible database of all pro players, foreign and Korean, ranks them according to achievements and chooses invites/seeding on the basis of such a list, there would considerably less backlash and appearance of preferential treatment. Kespa has their own ranking of Korean BW players. GOM should have their own database/ranking of SC2 pro players. They need something like this http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international and use that to choose invites.
Hell, they could probably piggyback off of TLPD. What I'm trying to say is, GOM needs a much less vague method of including foreign players if they don't want to deal with backlash from fans and players. More transparency is (almost) always better.
On December 16 2011 04:20 Canucklehead wrote: The only thing I don't like is that it doesn't matter how far idra goes in code s because he's only going to be their for 1 season, then go back to the states once mlgs, etc start up again. Therefore, he's just going to vacate his gsl spot again after 1 season.
He's there for three months
GSL lasts for 2 months now. Hence, he'd need to stay in korea at least 4 months to compete in more than 1 gsl.
Idra's said, IIRC, that he'd consider staying in Korea long-term if he got a Code S seed, since it's become more possible to play in Code S while attending the big (lucrative) foreign tournaments.
Putting the Naniwa issue aside, why is GOM handing out Code S spots at will? I don't think the guys grinding it out in Code B/Code A are gonna be too happy about this, especially with the income attached to a Code S slot now. I applaud Gom's effort to tap into the foreign market, but I don't know how I feel about this.
On December 16 2011 01:46 SKYFISH_ wrote: i hope he gets destroyed in korea
nothing good comes out of 15+k mentally challenged fans when idra wins a match or two.
I hope they both get destroyed so we'll see less stupid undeserving invites into code S.
hence Swedish like you believe that Unsportsmanlike Swedish progamer gets to play in code S, no surprise there.
Nice generalization, hopefully you'll be banned soon enough.
Nice generation on hoping idrA and Sen both "get destroyed for less stupid undeserving invites," hopefully you'll be banned soon enough for supporting these hateful comments from your Swedish fellows.
I'm an IdrA fan myself, I don't have anything against Sen.
Where in my comment did I support the Swedish guy who said that?
You're the one I was blaming for generalizing the Sweds for what HE personally said.
On December 16 2011 06:19 amazingoopah wrote: Putting the Naniwa issue aside, why is GOM handing out Code S spots at will? I don't think the guys grinding it out in Code B/Code A are gonna be too happy about this, especially with the income attached to a Code S slot now. I applaud Gom's effort to tap into the foreign market, but I don't know how I feel about this.
Putting the NaNiwa issue aside, there's one spot available because someone is dropping out. Scoots said he thinks it's sC, but whoever it is they're dropping out voluntarily. If they put that spot up for grabs, then the Code A guys who don't get to play off for it will be upset. Just inviting someone, especially someone who was a member of a BW pro team, is currently part of an established SC2 pro team with relationships within the Korean community and has a good relationship with the GSL administration, is probably the solution that leaves the fewest people unhappy. That's how I see it at least.
On December 16 2011 06:19 amazingoopah wrote: Putting the Naniwa issue aside, why is GOM handing out Code S spots at will? I don't think the guys grinding it out in Code B/Code A are gonna be too happy about this, especially with the income attached to a Code S slot now. I applaud Gom's effort to tap into the foreign market, but I don't know how I feel about this.
Right or wrong, you're singling out GOM for something even the most prestigious sporting tournaments in the world do (Wimbledon). It's just a part of the rules the competitors have to live with.
edit: Re-read my post. My post came off as really douchey sorry about that XD
On December 16 2011 06:19 amazingoopah wrote: Putting the Naniwa issue aside, why is GOM handing out Code S spots at will? I don't think the guys grinding it out in Code B/Code A are gonna be too happy about this, especially with the income attached to a Code S slot now. I applaud Gom's effort to tap into the foreign market, but I don't know how I feel about this.
Putting the NaNiwa issue aside, there's one spot available because someone is dropping out. Scoots said he thinks it's sC, but whoever it is they're dropping out voluntarily. If they put that spot up for grabs, then the Code A guys who don't get to play off for it will be upset. Just inviting someone, especially someone who was a member of a BW pro team, is currently part of an established SC2 pro team with relationships within the Korean community and has a good relationship with the GSL administration, is probably the solution that leaves the fewest people unhappy. That's how I see it at least.
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