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On December 09 2011 11:08 Full.tilt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 10:45 leperphilliac wrote:Hm ESFI recently published their article on the whole transfer thing. http://esfiworld.com/sc2/news/complexity-sells-naniwa-contract-quanticOf particular interest is the anonymous source that says Naniwa is extremely hard to work with and believes that he actually needs professional help. In Korea when I lived there clinical therapy wasn't very common, so I don't think Naniwa will have any opportunity get professional help there. Maybe being with Sase will stabilize him somewhat? That is so fucking pathetic to put in an anonymous source like that who is not related to any of the organisations involved. May as well take a quote from some random troll on TL...
You know coming from anywhere else that may be the case, but from ESFI world... I doubt they just chose a random person. For all what we know it may be Artosis or someone of at least his stature who said that. Either way I still remain a Naniwa (and a complexity) fan, and I just hope that Naniwa manages to stay put this time especially being with Sase.
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On December 09 2011 13:28 Parcelleus wrote:
Teams need to stop thinking that once they 'acquire' a player it is their 'job' to change them.
Teams do NOT win 1v1. a player does. It seems teams ignore this basic important fact.
Naniwa is an individual, he plays 1v1 at toplevel, just support him and drop the 'demands'.
Teams are there to support the player and the player brings attention to their team and sponsors. Anything else is just a team who doesn't understand who the real boss is, the player.
When teams drop 1000's on players to go over the world and compete that is nothing short of a """privilege""" that the player gets while playing on that team. The team organization can put whatever they want in the contract, as long as the player signs to get that money/free paid trips they have to follow the agreement.
You're the type of person that hears sixjaxMajor getting sent to multiple trips, then thinks its no big deal when he doesn't even wear the team's t-shirt.
There's North American managers right now that work real jobs, send players to events with out of pocket money, and all they expect in return is some exposure with a t-shirt. If the player gives them shit, okay lol see yeah later...
The only difference here is that Naniwa is a top 20-30 player in the world.
Do you want your number 1 player in the finals of a tournament watched by 100k people calling the tournament a joke?
Think about it, however no offense, I just don't think you get it with your opinion on the matter.
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Unexpected but I do understand that. Most people think it has to be his BM but what if he wanted to complexity to back him MLG messed up and they did not? He might be bm but if he is a great player and will bring a lot of attention to QxG. Not only because he is TOP protoss in the world but because people will want to watch him and expect him to be bm, something like idra. If QxG works with him, it can get even more awesome. Quanti looks strong now, if they add a litle bit more they will be right after EG in skill.
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Complexity is becoming more and more like ROOT...which is fantastic. Someone said that they're becoming a group of friends with sponsors. How can we as a community fault them for that? Keeping a friendly vibe and still attempting to improve their play seems like it'd be a sick team to join/play on. If i judged the situation by past Naniwa incidents I'd have to place blame on him. I'm not a big fan and want to jump on this. However, saying thats the reason is dumb. I have no idea what happened, neither does anyone else. Good luck to Nani. Good luck to Quantic. and Good luck to Complexity.
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QxG.Naniwa
Why Quantic.Nani?
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I wonder how much Quantic paid for Naniwa. I also wonder if Naniwa will get along with Destiny.
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On December 09 2011 13:52 Nizzy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 13:28 Parcelleus wrote:
Teams need to stop thinking that once they 'acquire' a player it is their 'job' to change them.
Teams do NOT win 1v1. a player does. It seems teams ignore this basic important fact.
Naniwa is an individual, he plays 1v1 at toplevel, just support him and drop the 'demands'.
Teams are there to support the player and the player brings attention to their team and sponsors. Anything else is just a team who doesn't understand who the real boss is, the player.
When teams drop 1000's on players to go over the world and compete that is nothing short of a """privilege""" that the player gets while playing on that team. The team organization can put whatever they want in the contract, as long as the player signs to get that money/free paid trips they have to follow the agreement. You're the type of person that hears sixjaxMajor getting sent to multiple trips, then thinks its no big deal when he doesn't even wear the team's t-shirt. There's North American managers right now that work real jobs, send players to events with out of pocket money, and all they expect in return is some exposure with a t-shirt. If the player gives them shit, okay lol see yeah later... The only difference here is that Naniwa is a top 20-30 player in the world. Do you want your number 1 player in the finals of a tournament watched by 100k people calling the tournament a joke? Think about it, however no offense, I just don't think you get it with your opinion on the matter. Its not a privledge to have a job, its a mutually beneficial agreement with set conditions. Both the employee and the employer are valued and intrinsic to the relationship. CoL isnt gracing Naniwa with their presence and partnership, they thought it would be a good fit.
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Seems like a pretty logical explanation for the dismantling of the QXG/IM partnership could be partially related to QXG acquiring Naniwa seeing as the IM coach doesn't seem to be to fond of Nani.
Best of luck to my favorite Protoss though, him and Sase seem like good friends and i hope the best for QXG, especially considering they have three of my favorite players in the scene (Destiny, Nani, and Sase)
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On December 09 2011 14:17 Shinespark wrote:
I wonder how much Quantic paid for Naniwa. I also wonder if Naniwa will get along with Destiny.
I seriously doubt there will be any problems. There both professional and I'm sure Quantic asked everyone if they were okay with it. And besides, there both reasonable people. I doubt they'll have any problems.
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Naniwa is one of my least liked players, but the reasons he gave sound legit
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On December 09 2011 14:21 Astro-Penguin wrote:
Seems like a pretty logical explanation for the dismantling of the QXG/IM partnership could be partially related to QXG acquiring Naniwa seeing as the IM coach doesn't seem to be to fond of Nani.
Best of luck to my favorite Protoss though, him and Sase seem like good friends and i hope the best for QXG, especially considering they have three of my favorite players in the scene (Destiny, Nani, and Sase)
Thats some pretty bad speculation right there. The IM coach isn't that BM 
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On December 09 2011 14:24 TBone- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 14:17 Shinespark wrote:
I wonder how much Quantic paid for Naniwa. I also wonder if Naniwa will get along with Destiny. I seriously doubt there will be any problems. There both professional and I'm sure Quantic asked everyone if they were okay with it. And besides, there both reasonable people. I doubt they'll have any problems.
I was half joking. I doubt it would have a major impact either way, since Destiny will only be staying for a little while in korea while Naniwa plans to stay in korea for a long time.
I really am curious about Naniwa's transfer price, however.
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even if you speak korean is still hard to communicate with koreans though ... first hand experience... So He needs other foreigners for sure
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naniwa.. working with nestea.. what?
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On December 09 2011 14:33 ElusoryX wrote:
naniwa.. working with nestea.. what?
Quantic and IM already parts ways.
So...
NO.
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On December 09 2011 05:41 Diamond wrote:
Said it in the other thread, but really surprised. Naniwa must be one hell of a nightmare behind the scenes or something 0_O.
Best of luck to all parties, Quantic starting to look REALLY strong.
this
with naniwas recent wins there must be smth really wrong. conisidering how he acts in interviews etc. im not surpirised at all.
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On December 09 2011 14:18 lizzard_warish wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 13:52 Nizzy wrote:On December 09 2011 13:28 Parcelleus wrote:
Teams need to stop thinking that once they 'acquire' a player it is their 'job' to change them.
Teams do NOT win 1v1. a player does. It seems teams ignore this basic important fact.
Naniwa is an individual, he plays 1v1 at toplevel, just support him and drop the 'demands'.
Teams are there to support the player and the player brings attention to their team and sponsors. Anything else is just a team who doesn't understand who the real boss is, the player.
When teams drop 1000's on players to go over the world and compete that is nothing short of a """privilege""" that the player gets while playing on that team. The team organization can put whatever they want in the contract, as long as the player signs to get that money/free paid trips they have to follow the agreement. You're the type of person that hears sixjaxMajor getting sent to multiple trips, then thinks its no big deal when he doesn't even wear the team's t-shirt. There's North American managers right now that work real jobs, send players to events with out of pocket money, and all they expect in return is some exposure with a t-shirt. If the player gives them shit, okay lol see yeah later... The only difference here is that Naniwa is a top 20-30 player in the world. Do you want your number 1 player in the finals of a tournament watched by 100k people calling the tournament a joke? Think about it, however no offense, I just don't think you get it with your opinion on the matter. Its not a privledge to have a job, its a mutually beneficial agreement with set conditions. Both the employee and the employer are valued and intrinsic to the relationship. CoL isnt gracing Naniwa with their presence and partnership, they thought it would be a good fit.
This is esports, not some ho-hum desk job at microsoft. When you are picked up by a professional team and play for them, you represent them. In turn, they pay money for you according to your performance. Where does that money come from? Selling Complexity shirts? No, that money comes from sponsors. Let's say Pepsi sponsors Complexity, and one of the higher ups watches a team's player act like a child, he'll think to himself, is this the type of person I want representing my brand? Conversely, if you're Complexity, you ask yourself the same question as well. Despite the assertions of many ignorant people in this thread, winning is not everything. When you parallel this to sports you can name many a sportsman who's gotten into trouble for their conduct etc Tiger Woods. If you represent your country, sure you can argue that it's a 'mutual agreement' but never forget that you are representing your country, and don't believe the bullshit that people will tell you, because you ARE representing your whole nation. And when you play for a pro gaming team, you represent the team and all they stand for.
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I don't understand. "He is the most disrespectful and unprofessional gamer I've ever had to deal with" from an anonymous source not attached from any previous SC2 organization?
Why would you write that? It doesn't mean anything, we don't know the person so we don't know who he's worked with, his limits or tolerance for potentially disrespectful people nor his experience or credibility.
So fluffy. Let's get a really juicy quote from someone, but let's not name who he is, what he's done, where he works now, his experiences, or anything personal about this source.
Let's just make it known that Naniwa is the most disrespectful person he's ever had to deal with... lol
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Best of luck Naniwa! Hope you are able to slowly but surely rise in the ranks in Code A, etc.!
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On December 09 2011 14:40 Torte de Lini wrote:
I don't understand. "He is the most disrespectful and unprofessional gamer I've ever had to deal with" from an anonymous source not attached from any previous SC2 organization?
Why would you write that? It doesn't mean anything, we don't know the person so we don't know who he's worked with, his limits or tolerance for potentially disrespectful people nor his experience or credibility.
So fluffy. Let's get a really juicy quote from someone, but let's not name who he is, what he's done, where he works now, his experiences, or anything personal about this source.
Let's just make it known that Naniwa is the most disrespectful person he's ever had to deal with... lol
Newspapers and news organizations often use anonymous sources because the sources don't want to be named (fear of retribution, don't want attention, sworn to secrecy, etc). That doesn't make the source legitimate; it depends how much you trust the organization to use credible sources. It might be true, it might not, depends how much you trust the website.
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