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Complexity transfers NaNiwa to Quantic Gaming - Page 40

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Puph
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
December 09 2011 03:31 GMT
#781
I don't care if I'm the only one to say it, but QxG is a perfect fit for Naniwa(lker). Much more than complexity. I mean, Destiny and Naniwa make 2/3 of the most badboy team possible. All they're missing is Idra
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Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
December 09 2011 03:33 GMT
#782
Huh - thought it was other way around that was going to happen (SaSe to coL) but oh well.

Glad that NaNi tries to find something that truly suits him. QuanticNaNi sounds kinda bad though...D:
#freeshauni
Hydroxyl
Profile Joined December 2011
206 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 03:48:23
December 09 2011 03:33 GMT
#783
On December 09 2011 11:43 aMies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 11:37 Hydroxyl wrote:
On December 09 2011 11:26 RudePlague wrote:
The anonymous source thing is borderline slander, it offers no information and is at best just gossip spreading.

"Some guy said Naniwa is a p.o.s."

I counter with "I heard from an anonymous source that ESFI is in the pocket of coL and is staffed by terrible writers with no morals who should be ashamed to call themselves journalists."

I hope the community really goes to town on them for this as it's not good enough and we shouldn't accept it regardless of what we think about Naniwa.



Considering ESFI has Complexity ads on every page of their website I'm not surprised to see them releasing such "unbiased" articles featuring "secret informations"...


Before this statement goes any further, we are in no way associated with ESFI's operations.


Apart from your reaction whose content doesn't surprise me considering your role here, as Complexity and ESFI share a major sponsor, esport is relatively young and still under a lead weight, when it comes down to the relation between sponsorship and journalism.

As being said by multiple inside actors of the starcraft 2 scene on internet shows, independant journalism still doesn't exist, not only for websites directly sponsorised or sharing sponsors, but also for the mere reason that starcraft 2 scene is a small world, if you start making bad publicity to someone that has no direct or indirect relationship to your own website, you may start being boycotted, and your business, as starcraft 2 esport is still very young and weak, making a business into it depends on alot of things, may fall as fast as it came.

ESFI, in a place where anyone could easily, because it doesn't cost alot of ressources to put up the content they produce at the moment compared to the success it grants, couldn't want to hinder their chances of success by voicing themselves against the triumvirate of teams, sponsors and shoutcasters, and taking the risk of being replaced by another self proclamed independant journalism esport content producer that would be more friendly with the teams and sponsors that would send them players to make their interviews.

That's the reason why ESFI is actually so shy about showing where comes from their founds, since their success is still recent as a production, like many of nowaday's starcraft 2 productions, as you will have difficulties as a novice to find on their website what are their sponsors, whereas they claim everywhere on it that they are an "unbiased and undependant organisation", yet it is what they by definition aren't: they want to, for it is financially advantageous to them, wear two hats.

It is understandable for someone that would decide to build up a website in such a fragile and growing market to make this choice of a business model, but then let's say it the way it is, and not make up labels and bring up secret sources.
Asrathiel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Australia377 Posts
December 09 2011 03:38 GMT
#784
I hope this is the right spot for him, finally.

GL to Naniwa and Quantic :D
for science... you monster
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 09 2011 03:41 GMT
#785
This is great, two more brotoss ripping it up in korea.
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synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
December 09 2011 03:46 GMT
#786
Dayum QxG getting an insane lineup!

I think the reasons Naniwa gave were reasonable enough...
:)
DreamChaser
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
1649 Posts
December 09 2011 03:49 GMT
#787
CoL getting weaker and weaker QxG well what else is there to say.

Wonder if this has anything to do with "Controversy" surrounding Naniwa since providence.
Plays against every MU with nexus first.
Piledriver
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1697 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 03:50:23
December 09 2011 03:49 GMT
#788
On December 09 2011 11:49 Spicy_Curry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 11:43 aMies wrote:
On December 09 2011 11:37 Hydroxyl wrote:
On December 09 2011 11:26 RudePlague wrote:
The anonymous source thing is borderline slander, it offers no information and is at best just gossip spreading.

"Some guy said Naniwa is a p.o.s."

I counter with "I heard from an anonymous source that ESFI is in the pocket of coL and is staffed by terrible writers with no morals who should be ashamed to call themselves journalists."

I hope the community really goes to town on them for this as it's not good enough and we shouldn't accept it regardless of what we think about Naniwa.



Considering ESFI has Complexity ads on every page of their website I'm not surprised to see them releasing such "unbiased" articles featuring "secret informations"...



Before this statement goes any further, we are in no way associated with ESFI's operations.


According to an anonymous source you are lying. HMM i dont know who to believe now. Maybe you should get an editor like most journalism oriented business'?

User was temp banned for this post.


Do you actually read any newspapers or sites outside of e-sports ones? Seriously? Reputed journals and newspapers use anonymous sources ALL THE TIME, especially to protect the identity of the source. I mean NaNiwa is such a successful player that if some other player came out and said his feelings openly about NaNiwa, the community would roast that source alive.

The SC2 community (and gaming community in general) are usually full of fairweather fans. People support and cheer for successful people, even if they have some fundamental faults in their attitude and overall behavior (like IdrA for instance). I come from a wc3 background where NaNiwa's BM was well known to the entire community, so I for one am not surprised by that particular statement. In fact, I would go as far as to say if NaNiwa didn't have as much success as he has had (like Major), I guarantee that there would be a bunch of people hating on him, instead of everyone trying to support him and calling out ESFI. The situation would be totally reversed.

Now, am not going to say that whatever is posted on ESFI is gospel truth. But I would assume that people are going to look at things a bit more objectively, instead of blindly supporting their favorite player.
Envy fan since NTH.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 04:53:05
December 09 2011 03:54 GMT
#789
I actually sort of saw this happening... Naniwa's plan is to be in kroea for a long time, but ever since the whole quantic IM thing didn't work out, I didn't really see Naniwa gaining anything from Quantic, in terms of partnership.


EDIT: lol, misread article. lawl, srrry guiz!
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ronpaul012
Profile Joined March 2011
United States769 Posts
December 09 2011 04:08 GMT
#790
On December 09 2011 12:54 wei2coolman wrote:
I actually sort of saw this happening... Naniwa's plan is to be in kroea for a long time, but ever since the whole quantic IM thing didn't work out, I didn't really see Naniwa gaining anything from Quantic, in terms of partnership.


You do realize that Naniwa is going to quantic not from quantic right?
I'm a gooner.
Piledriver
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1697 Posts
December 09 2011 04:08 GMT
#791
On December 09 2011 12:54 wei2coolman wrote:
I actually sort of saw this happening... Naniwa's plan is to be in kroea for a long time, but ever since the whole quantic IM thing didn't work out, I didn't really see Naniwa gaining anything from Quantic, in terms of partnership.



Wut? That post made no sense considering that he just switched from Complexity to Quantic :D
Envy fan since NTH.
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
December 09 2011 04:14 GMT
#792
On December 09 2011 13:08 Piledriver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 12:54 wei2coolman wrote:
I actually sort of saw this happening... Naniwa's plan is to be in kroea for a long time, but ever since the whole quantic IM thing didn't work out, I didn't really see Naniwa gaining anything from Quantic, in terms of partnership.



Wut? That post made no sense considering that he just switched from Complexity to Quantic :D


Ya I was wondering about that myself.

Anyways, I think it's a matter of Complexity knowing Nani isn't going to fit with the team, and rather than keep a disgruntled unhappy player they'll try to at least sell him off to another team.
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
Gwypaas
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden41 Posts
December 09 2011 04:15 GMT
#793
On December 09 2011 12:49 Piledriver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 11:49 Spicy_Curry wrote:
On December 09 2011 11:43 aMies wrote:
On December 09 2011 11:37 Hydroxyl wrote:
On December 09 2011 11:26 RudePlague wrote:
The anonymous source thing is borderline slander, it offers no information and is at best just gossip spreading.

"Some guy said Naniwa is a p.o.s."

I counter with "I heard from an anonymous source that ESFI is in the pocket of coL and is staffed by terrible writers with no morals who should be ashamed to call themselves journalists."

I hope the community really goes to town on them for this as it's not good enough and we shouldn't accept it regardless of what we think about Naniwa.



Considering ESFI has Complexity ads on every page of their website I'm not surprised to see them releasing such "unbiased" articles featuring "secret informations"...



Before this statement goes any further, we are in no way associated with ESFI's operations.


According to an anonymous source you are lying. HMM i dont know who to believe now. Maybe you should get an editor like most journalism oriented business'?

User was temp banned for this post.


Do you actually read any newspapers or sites outside of e-sports ones? Seriously? Reputed journals and newspapers use anonymous sources ALL THE TIME, especially to protect the identity of the source. I mean NaNiwa is such a successful player that if some other player came out and said his feelings openly about NaNiwa, the community would roast that source alive.

The SC2 community (and gaming community in general) are usually full of fairweather fans. People support and cheer for successful people, even if they have some fundamental faults in their attitude and overall behavior (like IdrA for instance). I come from a wc3 background where NaNiwa's BM was well known to the entire community, so I for one am not surprised by that particular statement. In fact, I would go as far as to say if NaNiwa didn't have as much success as he has had (like Major), I guarantee that there would be a bunch of people hating on him, instead of everyone trying to support him and calling out ESFI. The situation would be totally reversed.

Now, am not going to say that whatever is posted on ESFI is gospel truth. But I would assume that people are going to look at things a bit more objectively, instead of blindly supporting their favorite player.


There's a difference, most anonymous sources on newspapers provide enough evidence, detail and background info to make it beliavable while this statement is just slander.
Piledriver
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1697 Posts
December 09 2011 04:23 GMT
#794
On December 09 2011 13:15 Gwypaas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2011 12:49 Piledriver wrote:
On December 09 2011 11:49 Spicy_Curry wrote:
On December 09 2011 11:43 aMies wrote:
On December 09 2011 11:37 Hydroxyl wrote:
On December 09 2011 11:26 RudePlague wrote:
The anonymous source thing is borderline slander, it offers no information and is at best just gossip spreading.

"Some guy said Naniwa is a p.o.s."

I counter with "I heard from an anonymous source that ESFI is in the pocket of coL and is staffed by terrible writers with no morals who should be ashamed to call themselves journalists."

I hope the community really goes to town on them for this as it's not good enough and we shouldn't accept it regardless of what we think about Naniwa.



Considering ESFI has Complexity ads on every page of their website I'm not surprised to see them releasing such "unbiased" articles featuring "secret informations"...



Before this statement goes any further, we are in no way associated with ESFI's operations.


According to an anonymous source you are lying. HMM i dont know who to believe now. Maybe you should get an editor like most journalism oriented business'?

User was temp banned for this post.


Do you actually read any newspapers or sites outside of e-sports ones? Seriously? Reputed journals and newspapers use anonymous sources ALL THE TIME, especially to protect the identity of the source. I mean NaNiwa is such a successful player that if some other player came out and said his feelings openly about NaNiwa, the community would roast that source alive.

The SC2 community (and gaming community in general) are usually full of fairweather fans. People support and cheer for successful people, even if they have some fundamental faults in their attitude and overall behavior (like IdrA for instance). I come from a wc3 background where NaNiwa's BM was well known to the entire community, so I for one am not surprised by that particular statement. In fact, I would go as far as to say if NaNiwa didn't have as much success as he has had (like Major), I guarantee that there would be a bunch of people hating on him, instead of everyone trying to support him and calling out ESFI. The situation would be totally reversed.

Now, am not going to say that whatever is posted on ESFI is gospel truth. But I would assume that people are going to look at things a bit more objectively, instead of blindly supporting their favorite player.


There's a difference, most anonymous sources on newspapers provide enough evidence, detail and background info to make it beliavable while this statement is just slander.


That's actually a good point. That particular statement in that article served no purpose other than discrediting NaNiwa . However my point is that there is no need to bash ESFI for publishing the views of an anonymous insider.
Envy fan since NTH.
Clbull
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1439 Posts
December 09 2011 04:25 GMT
#795
Good luck to NaNiwa.
Girit
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States24 Posts
December 09 2011 04:28 GMT
#796
Quantic is becomin pretty huge, to be honest, I wish someone would pick me up and let me live in Korea, :p.

I'm only a gold player though.

grats on contract though
A failure is not someone who fails, but someone who blames others for their failure. - Anthony "Girit" Girit
Parcelleus
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1662 Posts
December 09 2011 04:28 GMT
#797
Teams need to stop thinking that once they 'acquire' a player it is their 'job' to change them.

Teams do NOT win 1v1. a player does. It seems teams ignore this basic important fact.

Naniwa is an individual, he plays 1v1 at toplevel, just support him and drop the 'demands'.

Teams are there to support the player and the player brings attention to their team and sponsors. Anything else is just a team who doesn't understand who the real boss is, the player.
*burp*
dnld12
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States324 Posts
December 09 2011 04:34 GMT
#798
Ummm... crazy but ok. Doesnt matter nani is still nani
When life gives you Stalkers, Get blink.
synaptik
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada644 Posts
December 09 2011 04:38 GMT
#799
On December 09 2011 11:49 magnaflow wrote:
This is so stupid. I myself am an asshole at work, I give my management a hard time etc etc, I was told certain things would happen when I was hired and if I didn't see these things happening I would bitch to management about it. I might be a pain in the ass but I know they won't fire me and the reason for that is I am a hard worker and do a better job then anyone else at my workplace. Sure they might have to put up with my bull shit from time to time but they realize they can't find anyone better and my absence would be a bigger issue then my attitude.

Complexity just doesn't wanna deal with a disgruntled employee even though he is better then everyone else at his job, so they pass him off to the highest bidder.. who will now benefit greatly while they sit back and emjoy their second tier team.




this is because you're not a visible public figure for your company. otherwise you would have been fired in an instant.
v1dom
Profile Joined August 2010
159 Posts
December 09 2011 04:43 GMT
#800
On December 09 2011 13:28 Parcelleus wrote:
Teams need to stop thinking that once they 'acquire' a player it is their 'job' to change them.

Teams do NOT win 1v1. a player does. It seems teams ignore this basic important fact.

Naniwa is an individual, he plays 1v1 at toplevel, just support him and drop the 'demands'.

Teams are there to support the player and the player brings attention to their team and sponsors. Anything else is just a team who doesn't understand who the real boss is, the player.


This is honestly the dumbest thing I've ever read on this website.
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