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On December 09 2011 14:43 ArchDC wrote: Best of luck Naniwa! Hope you are able to slowly but surely rise in the ranks in Code A, etc.!
Hmm... Code A? Doesnt Nani get Code S after MLG or did i miss something? I haven't been the biggest Naniwa fan, but I love Quantic and they are starting to looks really great!
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On December 09 2011 13:38 synaptik wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 11:49 magnaflow wrote: This is so stupid. I myself am an asshole at work, I give my management a hard time etc etc, I was told certain things would happen when I was hired and if I didn't see these things happening I would bitch to management about it. I might be a pain in the ass but I know they won't fire me and the reason for that is I am a hard worker and do a better job then anyone else at my workplace. Sure they might have to put up with my bull shit from time to time but they realize they can't find anyone better and my absence would be a bigger issue then my attitude.
Complexity just doesn't wanna deal with a disgruntled employee even though he is better then everyone else at his job, so they pass him off to the highest bidder.. who will now benefit greatly while they sit back and emjoy their second tier team.
this is because you're not a visible public figure for your company. otherwise you would have been fired in an instant.
Yet, nothing Naniwa did in public during his stay at coL warranted him to be "fired". Much like Steve Jobs was an asshole of a human being to actually work with, yet loved by the general audience during his key notes. Either way, both did/do an exceptional job for what they are paid for.
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NaNi + SaSe omggg *__* My two favourite Toss on one team <3 ^_^
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i don't know how i feel about this news. ("contract sold") i think it get's interesting in a legal point of view. but Complexity has to work on it's PR.
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typically an anonymous source is at least given an institutional attribution in journalism though - for example "An anonymous source within the administration..." "an anonymous staffer at the white house..." etc. I think ESFI should at least publish the source's organization, or at the very least make clear how the source is credible in the matter, ie how has the source interacted with naniwa in the past?
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Smart decision by Nani, hope you do well!
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Just came by to drop two absolutely meaningless statements like "Omg, this is unexpected" and "Sick!", therefore raising my post count by 1.
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It's obvious that Naniwa has had some difficulties and is not an easily marketable player (very to the point and not so much fan loving like the good players of TL are) but you can't deny that he's a really good player. If he thinks that staying in Korea with Quantic is the best way to go for him since he'll be playing with a former WC3 player/competitor/friend and countryman then I can't disagree with his decision, maybe he's getting more money too I don't know but I think that's also fine. However, if he switches teams again in the next 6 months I'll certainly be asking wtf, because it seems like he could have everything he would want in Korea now. I hope some shit doesn't go down with him and Destiny while Destiny is there. I think they both have quite strong/aggressive personalities.
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EDIT: Never mind. I don't give a shit. That was a stupid post.
Best of luck to Nani on his new team. Col is so stacked it's likely some of their acquisitions were intended to be speculations for the short term.
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On December 09 2011 14:57 Kazuki wrote: Smart decision by Nani, hope you do well!
Problem is, it wasn't Nani's decision o.o Jason Lake wanted to get rid of him for some reason so that he could move TriMaster to korea, or thats my understanding of it.
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On December 09 2011 13:43 v1dom wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 13:28 Parcelleus wrote: Teams need to stop thinking that once they 'acquire' a player it is their 'job' to change them.
Teams do NOT win 1v1. a player does. It seems teams ignore this basic important fact.
Naniwa is an individual, he plays 1v1 at toplevel, just support him and drop the 'demands'.
Teams are there to support the player and the player brings attention to their team and sponsors. Anything else is just a team who doesn't understand who the real boss is, the player.
This is honestly the dumbest thing I've ever read on this website.
And going by your sig. it's not hard to see why.
On December 09 2011 13:52 Nizzy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 13:28 Parcelleus wrote: Teams need to stop thinking that once they 'acquire' a player it is their 'job' to change them.
Teams do NOT win 1v1. a player does. It seems teams ignore this basic important fact.
Naniwa is an individual, he plays 1v1 at toplevel, just support him and drop the 'demands'.
Teams are there to support the player and the player brings attention to their team and sponsors. Anything else is just a team who doesn't understand who the real boss is, the player.
When teams drop 1000's on players to go over the world and compete that is nothing short of a """privilege""" that the player gets while playing on that team. The team organization can put whatever they want in the contract, as long as the player signs to get that money/free paid trips they have to follow the agreement. You're the type of person that hears sixjaxMajor getting sent to multiple trips, then thinks its no big deal when he doesn't even wear the team's t-shirt. There's North American managers right now that work real jobs, send players to events with out of pocket money, and all they expect in return is some exposure with a t-shirt. If the player gives them shit, okay lol see yeah later... The only difference here is that Naniwa is a top 20-30 player in the world. Do you want your number 1 player in the finals of a tournament watched by 100k people calling the tournament a joke? Think about it, however no offense, I just don't think you get it with your opinion on the matter.
No offense, I have thought about it, that is why I posted. Just because I don't see the team as all-important as you do doesn't mean I haven thought about it.
The team only 'cares' because they expect 'their' player to get good RESULTS and thus exposure for their 'team' and 'sponsors'.
The players are human beings/individuals. Teams need to accommodate this, a team manager getting on a high-horse and ignorning individual player personalities to me is childish.
Players win tournaments not teams, teams HELP players GET TO events not win them. PLayers are the real bosses, whether a team wants to acknowledge that or not.
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On December 09 2011 15:01 LanTAs wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 14:57 Kazuki wrote: Smart decision by Nani, hope you do well! Problem is, it wasn't Nani's decision o.o Jason Lake wanted to get rid of him for some reason so that he could move TriMaster to korea, or thats my understanding of it.
That's your misunderstanding, there's no reason why they can't have more than one player in Korea. At no point does anyone anywhere suggest that they wished to sell Naniwa's contract so that TriMaster could go to Korea. I don't know where you're pulling that from.
A lot of people seem to be pulling shit out of thin air in this thread.
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Totally unexpected and yet it still makes perfect sense!
As for the reasons why, well... even without hands-on experience I'm still pretty sure every announcement such as this is sugar coated, and of course we don't have the whole truth. It doesn't however have to be something as bad as Naniwa being impossible to work with. I think Nani's reasons seem pretty reasonable, so maybe it's not a lot more than that? From what SaSe has said QxG really caters to what their players need, and my gut feeling is that this move is great for Naniwa's career.
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On December 09 2011 14:26 FXOpen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 14:21 Astro-Penguin wrote: Seems like a pretty logical explanation for the dismantling of the QXG/IM partnership could be partially related to QXG acquiring Naniwa seeing as the IM coach doesn't seem to be to fond of Nani.
Best of luck to my favorite Protoss though, him and Sase seem like good friends and i hope the best for QXG, especially considering they have three of my favorite players in the scene (Destiny, Nani, and Sase) Thats some pretty bad speculation right there. The IM coach isn't that BM 
Cant tell if your being sarcastic but the words he used when speaking about Naniwa after the whole MLG incident would most likely get me banned from TL if i were to repeat some of them =p (assuming the translation was accurate)
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On December 09 2011 14:55 talismania wrote: typically an anonymous source is at least given an institutional attribution in journalism though - for example "An anonymous source within the administration..." "an anonymous staffer at the white house..." etc. I think ESFI should at least publish the source's organization, or at the very least make clear how the source is credible in the matter, ie how has the source interacted with naniwa in the past? Agree but it's mostly the lack of substance that seems a bit unprofessional to me, why publish something like that without any form of related substance?
It's like reading "An anonymous source tells us X is an idiot" in some article. If that's all the source says I would tell my source I need something with substance since an anonymous opinion that "X is an idiot" is unfortunately not something I will publish.
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On December 09 2011 14:53 rotegirte wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 13:38 synaptik wrote:On December 09 2011 11:49 magnaflow wrote: This is so stupid. I myself am an asshole at work, I give my management a hard time etc etc, I was told certain things would happen when I was hired and if I didn't see these things happening I would bitch to management about it. I might be a pain in the ass but I know they won't fire me and the reason for that is I am a hard worker and do a better job then anyone else at my workplace. Sure they might have to put up with my bull shit from time to time but they realize they can't find anyone better and my absence would be a bigger issue then my attitude.
Complexity just doesn't wanna deal with a disgruntled employee even though he is better then everyone else at his job, so they pass him off to the highest bidder.. who will now benefit greatly while they sit back and emjoy their second tier team.
this is because you're not a visible public figure for your company. otherwise you would have been fired in an instant. Yet, nothing Naniwa did in public during his stay at coL warranted him to be "fired". Much like Steve Jobs was an asshole of a human being to actually work with, yet loved by the general audience during his key notes. Either way, both did/do an exceptional job for what they are paid for. Where the hell are you getting all this from?!
Naniwa might be awkward in public, but he has done NOTHING that would disgrace Complexity. You try living in a small space filled with people you cannot comunicate with. Its not hard for me to understand why the move to live and practice with Sase and Destiny and Startale, who he apparantly has a good relationship with, is better for him. Its motivating to be with friends. Pretty simple?
I would move to practice with Destiny in an instant ffs. How awesome is that?
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GL NaNi!! Great pick up by Quantic.
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Very unexpected; but I wish the best of luck to both parties nonetheless - Quantic is starting to look pretty scary!
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Sase and Naniwa in Quantic WOW Protoss domination
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On December 09 2011 15:26 Chewie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 14:53 rotegirte wrote:On December 09 2011 13:38 synaptik wrote:On December 09 2011 11:49 magnaflow wrote: This is so stupid. I myself am an asshole at work, I give my management a hard time etc etc, I was told certain things would happen when I was hired and if I didn't see these things happening I would bitch to management about it. I might be a pain in the ass but I know they won't fire me and the reason for that is I am a hard worker and do a better job then anyone else at my workplace. Sure they might have to put up with my bull shit from time to time but they realize they can't find anyone better and my absence would be a bigger issue then my attitude.
Complexity just doesn't wanna deal with a disgruntled employee even though he is better then everyone else at his job, so they pass him off to the highest bidder.. who will now benefit greatly while they sit back and emjoy their second tier team.
this is because you're not a visible public figure for your company. otherwise you would have been fired in an instant. Yet, nothing Naniwa did in public during his stay at coL warranted him to be "fired". Much like Steve Jobs was an asshole of a human being to actually work with, yet loved by the general audience during his key notes. Either way, both did/do an exceptional job for what they are paid for. Where the hell are you getting all this from?! Naniwa might be awkward in public, but he has done NOTHING that would disgrace Complexity. You try living in a small space filled with people you cannot comunicate with. Its not hard for me to understand why the move to live and practice with Sase and Destiny and Startale, who he apparantly has a good relationship with, is better for him. Its motivating to be with friends. Pretty simple? I would move to practice with Destiny in an instant ffs. How awesome is that?
Would you mind to read the bold part again?
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