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On December 09 2011 14:53 rotegirte wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 13:38 synaptik wrote:On December 09 2011 11:49 magnaflow wrote:
This is so stupid. I myself am an asshole at work, I give my management a hard time etc etc, I was told certain things would happen when I was hired and if I didn't see these things happening I would bitch to management about it. I might be a pain in the ass but I know they won't fire me and the reason for that is I am a hard worker and do a better job then anyone else at my workplace. Sure they might have to put up with my bull shit from time to time but they realize they can't find anyone better and my absence would be a bigger issue then my attitude.
Complexity just doesn't wanna deal with a disgruntled employee even though he is better then everyone else at his job, so they pass him off to the highest bidder.. who will now benefit greatly while they sit back and emjoy their second tier team.
this is because you're not a visible public figure for your company. otherwise you would have been fired in an instant. Yet, nothing Naniwa did in public during his stay at coL warranted him to be "fired". Much like Steve Jobs was an asshole of a human being to actually work with, yet loved by the general audience during his key notes. Either way, both did/do an exceptional job for what they are paid for.
You didn't seriously just compare Naniwa to Steve Jobs now, did you.
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On December 09 2011 14:53 rotegirte wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 13:38 synaptik wrote:On December 09 2011 11:49 magnaflow wrote:
This is so stupid. I myself am an asshole at work, I give my management a hard time etc etc, I was told certain things would happen when I was hired and if I didn't see these things happening I would bitch to management about it. I might be a pain in the ass but I know they won't fire me and the reason for that is I am a hard worker and do a better job then anyone else at my workplace. Sure they might have to put up with my bull shit from time to time but they realize they can't find anyone better and my absence would be a bigger issue then my attitude.
Complexity just doesn't wanna deal with a disgruntled employee even though he is better then everyone else at his job, so they pass him off to the highest bidder.. who will now benefit greatly while they sit back and emjoy their second tier team.
this is because you're not a visible public figure for your company. otherwise you would have been fired in an instant. Yet, nothing Naniwa did in public during his stay at coL warranted him to be "fired". Much like Steve Jobs was an asshole of a human being to actually work with, yet loved by the general audience during his key notes. Either way, both did/do an exceptional job for what they are paid for.
And Naniwa didn't get fired. Col wouldn't be able to fire him without paying him a good chunk of money so they traded him. disgruntled sports players get traded all the time, this is no different. Col didn't like Naniwas actions, in public or private, naniwa wasn't happy with col. So they trade him. Its just like the 49ers trading TO because he was a terrible teammate.
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On December 09 2011 15:37 Jago wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 14:53 rotegirte wrote:On December 09 2011 13:38 synaptik wrote:On December 09 2011 11:49 magnaflow wrote:
This is so stupid. I myself am an asshole at work, I give my management a hard time etc etc, I was told certain things would happen when I was hired and if I didn't see these things happening I would bitch to management about it. I might be a pain in the ass but I know they won't fire me and the reason for that is I am a hard worker and do a better job then anyone else at my workplace. Sure they might have to put up with my bull shit from time to time but they realize they can't find anyone better and my absence would be a bigger issue then my attitude.
Complexity just doesn't wanna deal with a disgruntled employee even though he is better then everyone else at his job, so they pass him off to the highest bidder.. who will now benefit greatly while they sit back and emjoy their second tier team.
this is because you're not a visible public figure for your company. otherwise you would have been fired in an instant. Yet, nothing Naniwa did in public during his stay at coL warranted him to be "fired". Much like Steve Jobs was an asshole of a human being to actually work with, yet loved by the general audience during his key notes. Either way, both did/do an exceptional job for what they are paid for. You didn't seriously just compare Naniwa to Steve Jobs now, did you.
I know right, naniwa hasn't stolen millions from his business partner, have a kid out of wedlock and deny her existance or threaten his employee's/teammates for minor mistakes.Naniwa's a much better human being(at least i hope so).
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On December 09 2011 15:37 Jago wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 14:53 rotegirte wrote:On December 09 2011 13:38 synaptik wrote:On December 09 2011 11:49 magnaflow wrote:
This is so stupid. I myself am an asshole at work, I give my management a hard time etc etc, I was told certain things would happen when I was hired and if I didn't see these things happening I would bitch to management about it. I might be a pain in the ass but I know they won't fire me and the reason for that is I am a hard worker and do a better job then anyone else at my workplace. Sure they might have to put up with my bull shit from time to time but they realize they can't find anyone better and my absence would be a bigger issue then my attitude.
Complexity just doesn't wanna deal with a disgruntled employee even though he is better then everyone else at his job, so they pass him off to the highest bidder.. who will now benefit greatly while they sit back and emjoy their second tier team.
this is because you're not a visible public figure for your company. otherwise you would have been fired in an instant. Yet, nothing Naniwa did in public during his stay at coL warranted him to be "fired". Much like Steve Jobs was an asshole of a human being to actually work with, yet loved by the general audience during his key notes. Either way, both did/do an exceptional job for what they are paid for. You didn't seriously just compare Naniwa to Steve Jobs now, did you.
You seriously don't understand how a comparison works do you?
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On December 09 2011 15:05 Parcelleus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 13:43 v1dom wrote:On December 09 2011 13:28 Parcelleus wrote:
Teams need to stop thinking that once they 'acquire' a player it is their 'job' to change them.
Teams do NOT win 1v1. a player does. It seems teams ignore this basic important fact.
Naniwa is an individual, he plays 1v1 at toplevel, just support him and drop the 'demands'.
Teams are there to support the player and the player brings attention to their team and sponsors. Anything else is just a team who doesn't understand who the real boss is, the player.
This is honestly the dumbest thing I've ever read on this website. And going by your sig. it's not hard to see why. Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 13:52 Nizzy wrote:On December 09 2011 13:28 Parcelleus wrote:
Teams need to stop thinking that once they 'acquire' a player it is their 'job' to change them.
Teams do NOT win 1v1. a player does. It seems teams ignore this basic important fact.
Naniwa is an individual, he plays 1v1 at toplevel, just support him and drop the 'demands'.
Teams are there to support the player and the player brings attention to their team and sponsors. Anything else is just a team who doesn't understand who the real boss is, the player.
When teams drop 1000's on players to go over the world and compete that is nothing short of a """privilege""" that the player gets while playing on that team. The team organization can put whatever they want in the contract, as long as the player signs to get that money/free paid trips they have to follow the agreement. You're the type of person that hears sixjaxMajor getting sent to multiple trips, then thinks its no big deal when he doesn't even wear the team's t-shirt. There's North American managers right now that work real jobs, send players to events with out of pocket money, and all they expect in return is some exposure with a t-shirt. If the player gives them shit, okay lol see yeah later... The only difference here is that Naniwa is a top 20-30 player in the world. Do you want your number 1 player in the finals of a tournament watched by 100k people calling the tournament a joke? Think about it, however no offense, I just don't think you get it with your opinion on the matter. No offense, I have thought about it, that is why I posted. Just because I don't see the team as all-important as you do doesn't mean I haven thought about it. The team only 'cares' because they expect 'their' player to get good RESULTS and thus exposure for their 'team' and 'sponsors'. The players are human beings/individuals. Teams need to accommodate this, a team manager getting on a high-horse and ignorning individual player personalities to me is childish. Players win tournaments not teams, teams HELP players GET TO events not win them. PLayers are the real bosses, whether a team wants to acknowledge that or not.
eSports is a business. No Teams/Organizations, no eSports. They pay the money (through sponsors, who require their image be represented properly) they can demand whatever the fuck they want. At least until eSports is legitimized and we can come up with some standard code of conduct for teams/players, as well as rules for player-team interactions, contract negotiations, etc....
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On December 09 2011 13:44 leperphilliac wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 11:08 Full.tilt wrote:On December 09 2011 10:45 leperphilliac wrote:Hm ESFI recently published their article on the whole transfer thing. http://esfiworld.com/sc2/news/complexity-sells-naniwa-contract-quanticOf particular interest is the anonymous source that says Naniwa is extremely hard to work with and believes that he actually needs professional help. In Korea when I lived there clinical therapy wasn't very common, so I don't think Naniwa will have any opportunity get professional help there. Maybe being with Sase will stabilize him somewhat? That is so fucking pathetic to put in an anonymous source like that who is not related to any of the organisations involved. May as well take a quote from some random troll on TL... You know coming from anywhere else that may be the case, but from ESFI world... I doubt they just chose a random person. For all what we know it may be Artosis or someone of at least his stature who said that. Either way I still remain a Naniwa (and a complexity) fan, and I just hope that Naniwa manages to stay put this time especially being with Sase.
this source is a highly credible, high-level member of an organization who has worked directly with NaNiwa in the past.
Sounds like someone from the whole IEM debacle imo. It would hardly be someone unbiased.
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On December 09 2011 15:05 Parcelleus wrote:
No offense, I have thought about it, that is why I posted. Just because I don't see the team as all-important as you do doesn't mean I haven thought about it.
The team only 'cares' because they expect 'their' player to get good RESULTS and thus exposure for their 'team' and 'sponsors'.
The players are human beings/individuals. Teams need to accommodate this, a team manager getting on a high-horse and ignorning individual player personalities to me is childish.
Players win tournaments not teams, teams HELP players GET TO events not win them. PLayers are the real bosses, whether a team wants to acknowledge that or not.
Well thanks for the response and the discussion. At this point I think we are simply looking at things differently. From my point of view if I'm correct it doesn't seem like you have any manager experience? Your last statement makes me think that.
Saying 'teams only help players get to events, not win them.' In my experiences this can be nothing false as it gets. I've had a manager who, during MLG events, watched the open bracket and would text his 4 teammates at the event. He would see who they were playing before the match, watch 20 reps or get any and all information he could on the vsing player and text his teammate strategy and tips on what to do.
By your logic, it doesn't make sense for a Naniwa to be on a complexity or a lower skilled team. You're not factoring in the better practice partners they could have on a better team. There's many factors which the team will help make a player better.
Teams definitely help players win events. What do you call when the EG owner went into the player box and talked to IdrA after he went from 3-0, to 3-3 and was mentally broke vs Boxer? He helped IdrA "reset" his mind during a match to re-focus.
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Few days ago, quantic gaming and Incredible Miracle part away.
I consider this somewhat related to that.
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wtf, why do u whine about this? how would u feel if u are totally alone in korea but you have the opportunity to play with a friend from the same country in korea?
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GO nani! Quantic building up a nice team!
gogogogogo
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Looks like solid move for the right reasons tbh. He wants to evolve in Korea and his team didn't plan on adding any teammates in Korea in the future. Pretty obvious move...
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Wow good pickup for Quantic!
Good luck nani!
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Good luck to NaNi but I have to say, very unexpected! I've read a bunch of posts from people saying he hasn't done enough publicly like coL wanted but hell, they guy goes out and beats down the best koreans in the world, why should he have to jump through a lot of hoops? If that is indeed the reason, it would be like trading Kobe because he doesn't do charity work. There were rumblings that NaNi was one of those people Artosis was talking about bm'ing the casters but even then, it never went public so unless coL is super ridiculously strict or NaNi told them to shove it, I don't see what the big deal is. Sorry if I'm rambling, its late!
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On December 09 2011 14:49 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 14:40 Torte de Lini wrote:
I don't understand. "He is the most disrespectful and unprofessional gamer I've ever had to deal with" from an anonymous source not attached from any previous SC2 organization?
Why would you write that? It doesn't mean anything, we don't know the person so we don't know who he's worked with, his limits or tolerance for potentially disrespectful people nor his experience or credibility.
So fluffy. Let's get a really juicy quote from someone, but let's not name who he is, what he's done, where he works now, his experiences, or anything personal about this source.
Let's just make it known that Naniwa is the most disrespectful person he's ever had to deal with... lol Newspapers and news organizations often use anonymous sources because the sources don't want to be named (fear of retribution, don't want attention, sworn to secrecy, etc). That doesn't make the source legitimate; it depends how much you trust the organization to use credible sources. It might be true, it might not, depends how much you trust the website.
That's what I'm saying.
I'm saying that knowing the source is true, we know nothing of the source. His view of "most" is circumstantial which we have none.
It basically nullifies the quote by making the source anonymous.
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naniwa is quickly becoming my least favorite player. I play protoss and it's tough to root for him because of all the baggage he brings with, his comments in game, etc. Hope he can turn over a new leaf here but I'm not holding my breath.
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funny people giving mvp / col cred for what ive done, played maybe total of 10 games with them during my entire stay there.
will make interview with khaldor abiout everything after blizzcup but right now im gonna focus on practice. since thats all i care about.
Naniwa`s twitter posts about the situation
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Another huk move for the $$$$. cant blame him looking out for himself. i'd do the same
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Nani + SaSe = deadly combo :O
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A complex transition that may add a quantity of skill.
Good luck at StarTale, they are prity cool over there.
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