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polysciguy
Profile Joined August 2010
United States488 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 20:21:31
December 06 2011 20:21 GMT
#41
On December 07 2011 05:10 superstartran wrote:
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On December 07 2011 05:04 Senx wrote:
He's been in the top of the ladder for several months and just now has had some "public" success. His play is impressive, but its not like he magicly became amazing. He has been amazing for quite some time.



He just annihilated one of the most talented Protoss prospects, a GSL Super Tournament winner, and a two time finalist and former BW Champion.



If you don't describe that as magical, please, do tell me what it is.

beating the actual consistent winners handily would be magical, beating prospects, someone who hasn't repeated, and someone, who while still amazing isn't really in the top of the players, just my opinion on that one though.....not so magical
glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever---napoleon
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
December 06 2011 20:21 GMT
#42
There is a reason that elephant in the room article was posted a while back. BW pros switching over are going to dominate the game.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Olinimm
Profile Joined November 2011
1471 Posts
December 06 2011 20:21 GMT
#43
On December 07 2011 05:10 superstartran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 05:04 Senx wrote:
He's been in the top of the ladder for several months and just now has had some "public" success. His play is impressive, but its not like he magicly became amazing. He has been amazing for quite some time.



He just annihilated one of the most talented Protoss prospects, a GSL Super Tournament winner, and a two time finalist and former BW Champion.



If you don't describe that as magical, please, do tell me what it is.

July isn't a 2 time finalist.
ROOTdrewbie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1392 Posts
December 06 2011 20:22 GMT
#44
hmm maybe i should watch the vods
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VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
December 06 2011 20:22 GMT
#45
On December 07 2011 05:17 Diizzy wrote:
hes ranked 1 in korean ladder if that means anything... lol

No he isn't.

His account on stream earlier was Rank 1 Masters, not Rank 1 Grandmasters.

Also #1 on KR ladder rotates every like 15 minutes. All three TSL Terrans have held it at some point this season as well.
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figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
December 06 2011 20:22 GMT
#46
On December 07 2011 05:10 Canucklehead wrote:
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On December 07 2011 05:07 figq wrote:
He's been playing official matches in the ESV Korean Weekly. You could have made some of these conclusions earlier.


Not true, because I watched his weekly games and while he looked good, he didn't look great or anything special because he had a few bad games there. His GSL games however are mind blowing and look completely different from his weekly games. While I wasn't that impressed with his weekly games, I'm blown away by his GSL games. It's a night and day difference.
That only shows that your criterion for analysis is flawed. His bad games are part of his record either way. You can be sure you will see something like this in the GSL too. He won't be always successful. On the other hand, it was / is visible that he works hard to deliver very tight and goal-oriented builds.
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KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 20:23:26
December 06 2011 20:22 GMT
#47
why you say "already"?

he trains for months oO

Id even say hes longer "fulltime" than someone like Stephano



On December 07 2011 05:22 VirgilSC2 wrote:
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On December 07 2011 05:17 Diizzy wrote:
hes ranked 1 in korean ladder if that means anything... lol

No he isn't.

His account on stream earlier was Rank 1 Masters, not Rank 1 Grandmasters.

Also #1 on KR ladder rotates every like 15 minutes. All three TSL Terrans have held it at some point this season as well.


to my knowledge, he has 3 different ladder accounts.
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willyallthewei
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States265 Posts
December 06 2011 20:24 GMT
#48
he has exhibited great macro and micro, but lets wait to see what he does in Code S before we go crowning him. Most of the games I've seen him play, he's used somewhat unorthodox builds that are very thin and possibly risky in certain respects.

I would wait until people really get to sit down and study his replays to try and figure him out. Maybe his builds are entirely safe, or maybe a Code S player figures him out a counter style and crushes him hard.
"never give up, never surrender"
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
December 06 2011 20:26 GMT
#49
On December 07 2011 05:22 KalWarkov wrote:
why you say "already"?

he trains for months oO

Id even say hes longer "fulltime" than someone like Stephano



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On December 07 2011 05:22 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On December 07 2011 05:17 Diizzy wrote:
hes ranked 1 in korean ladder if that means anything... lol

No he isn't.

His account on stream earlier was Rank 1 Masters, not Rank 1 Grandmasters.

Also #1 on KR ladder rotates every like 15 minutes. All three TSL Terrans have held it at some point this season as well.


to my knowledge, he has 3 different ladder accounts.

... Except he's said that during when he wasn't on a team he was still unsure about whether he wanted to be a starcraft 2 pro and played on and off a lot.
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 20:26:50
December 06 2011 20:26 GMT
#50
On December 07 2011 05:22 figq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 05:10 Canucklehead wrote:
On December 07 2011 05:07 figq wrote:
He's been playing official matches in the ESV Korean Weekly. You could have made some of these conclusions earlier.


Not true, because I watched his weekly games and while he looked good, he didn't look great or anything special because he had a few bad games there. His GSL games however are mind blowing and look completely different from his weekly games. While I wasn't that impressed with his weekly games, I'm blown away by his GSL games. It's a night and day difference.
That only shows that your criterion for analysis is flawed. His bad games are part of his record either way. You can be sure you will see something like this in the GSL too. He won't be always successful. On the other hand, it was / is visible that he works hard to deliver very tight and goal-oriented builds.


Nope, even the games he won he didn't look as dominant as he did in gsl. He looked like a mid tier terran in the weekly, but no where near MVP level. His GSL games however are MVP level or better.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
polysciguy
Profile Joined August 2010
United States488 Posts
December 06 2011 20:27 GMT
#51
On December 07 2011 05:26 Canucklehead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 05:22 figq wrote:
On December 07 2011 05:10 Canucklehead wrote:
On December 07 2011 05:07 figq wrote:
He's been playing official matches in the ESV Korean Weekly. You could have made some of these conclusions earlier.


Not true, because I watched his weekly games and while he looked good, he didn't look great or anything special because he had a few bad games there. His GSL games however are mind blowing and look completely different from his weekly games. While I wasn't that impressed with his weekly games, I'm blown away by his GSL games. It's a night and day difference.
That only shows that your criterion for analysis is flawed. His bad games are part of his record either way. You can be sure you will see something like this in the GSL too. He won't be always successful. On the other hand, it was / is visible that he works hard to deliver very tight and goal-oriented builds.


Nope, even the games he won he didn't look as dominant as he did in gsl. He looked like a mid tier terran in the weekly, but no where near MVP level. His GSL games however are MVP level or better.

id say that shows the difference that being able to prepare for your opponent makes.
glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever---napoleon
iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 20:31:53
December 06 2011 20:29 GMT
#52
fin is way too overrated and overhyped.

you can thanks broodwar enthusiastic and artosis for that. The hard truth is he's still just a really good Terran, but we have plenty of those

he has so far only show mid game and early fights, he has yet to face off the real challenge that Terran has late game
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
December 06 2011 20:29 GMT
#53
the most natural thing for him to do, given his BW career, is to smash everyone in code S, including MVP and Nestea with some 3-0s, win the whole thing with ez and achieve nothing afterwards.
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
December 06 2011 20:29 GMT
#54
Now let's take a moment real quick before we say with conviction that he will immediately win GSL January.

His play was very impressive, and very dominant, but that does not necessarily always translates into success in Code S. Startale Curious blew all the way through Code A last season without dropping a single game, but got 0-2 in his Ro32 group.

Secondly, the other progamers have noticed, and over this year-end hiatus will be looking for replays and analyzing them for gaps, patterns, weaknesses.

His playstyle is uncommon, and cool to see, but I am sure that there are players out there who can and probably will adopt that style next year.

My conclusion: Yes, this guy is really good, but I would not bet money yet on him becoming unstoppable. Dominant force, certainly, but not invincible. Everyone has a weakness, and the other progamers will find it.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 20:31:08
December 06 2011 20:30 GMT
#55
On December 07 2011 05:27 polysciguy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 05:26 Canucklehead wrote:
On December 07 2011 05:22 figq wrote:
On December 07 2011 05:10 Canucklehead wrote:
On December 07 2011 05:07 figq wrote:
He's been playing official matches in the ESV Korean Weekly. You could have made some of these conclusions earlier.


Not true, because I watched his weekly games and while he looked good, he didn't look great or anything special because he had a few bad games there. His GSL games however are mind blowing and look completely different from his weekly games. While I wasn't that impressed with his weekly games, I'm blown away by his GSL games. It's a night and day difference.
That only shows that your criterion for analysis is flawed. His bad games are part of his record either way. You can be sure you will see something like this in the GSL too. He won't be always successful. On the other hand, it was / is visible that he works hard to deliver very tight and goal-oriented builds.


Nope, even the games he won he didn't look as dominant as he did in gsl. He looked like a mid tier terran in the weekly, but no where near MVP level. His GSL games however are MVP level or better.

id say that shows the difference that being able to prepare for your opponent makes.


Nah, I think it's just the stakes are higher in the GSL booth and he gets a power boost. Plus, some players play different online and in the booth. ie..see MVP are some of his awful online games in 1st AOL.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
December 06 2011 20:32 GMT
#56
I posted this in LR thread of today but it deserves also to be here. fOrGG FIGHTING!

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Nagano
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1157 Posts
December 06 2011 20:32 GMT
#57
On December 07 2011 05:29 Bagration wrote:
Now let's take a moment real quick before we say with conviction that he will immediately win GSL January.

His play was very impressive, and very dominant, but that does not necessarily always translates into success in Code S. Startale Curious blew all the way through Code A last season without dropping a single game, but got 0-2 in his Ro32 group.

Secondly, the other progamers have noticed, and over this year-end hiatus will be looking for replays and analyzing them for gaps, patterns, weaknesses.

His playstyle is uncommon, and cool to see, but I am sure that there are players out there who can and probably will adopt that style next year.

My conclusion: Yes, this guy is really good, but I would not bet money yet on him becoming unstoppable. Dominant force, certainly, but not invincible. Everyone has a weakness, and the other progamers will find it.


Great point, no one is invincible and weaknesses will always be found (unless your name is Flash). WHEN his weakness will be found, if any, is another matter entirely.
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Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37117 Posts
December 06 2011 20:35 GMT
#58
Guys one thing:

DO NOT USE THE "B" WORD IN THIS THREAD!!

Or we will end up in a flame war/temp bans handed out/thread closed...... and I know we all do not want that
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LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
December 06 2011 20:36 GMT
#59
I think he's good, not surprising considering his background in BW. That being said though, nothing he's done has impressed me. Beating Sage and Polt is big, yes, they're no slouches. But July hasn't been playing his best for a while. Best micro displayed in sc2? Lol. A bit premature, and honestly you're coming off as a broodwar fanboy in spite of what you said. He has a unique style, much like Stephano did. But until he beats someone worthwhile I'm not prepared to say he's anywhere near ready for a GSL title. Still, interested to see how well he does in Code S. He's a talent for sure, I just don't think he's quite that good.
Long live the King of Wings
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
December 06 2011 20:37 GMT
#60
On December 07 2011 05:26 Canucklehead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 05:22 figq wrote:
On December 07 2011 05:10 Canucklehead wrote:
On December 07 2011 05:07 figq wrote:
He's been playing official matches in the ESV Korean Weekly. You could have made some of these conclusions earlier.


Not true, because I watched his weekly games and while he looked good, he didn't look great or anything special because he had a few bad games there. His GSL games however are mind blowing and look completely different from his weekly games. While I wasn't that impressed with his weekly games, I'm blown away by his GSL games. It's a night and day difference.
That only shows that your criterion for analysis is flawed. His bad games are part of his record either way. You can be sure you will see something like this in the GSL too. He won't be always successful. On the other hand, it was / is visible that he works hard to deliver very tight and goal-oriented builds.


Nope, even the games he won he didn't look as dominant as he did in gsl. He looked like a mid tier terran in the weekly, but no where near MVP level. His GSL games however are MVP level or better.
Not sure how you decide that. I guess you just base it on his opponents. His style was pretty much as solid, with only a few cracks (that still may show up when he plays more GSL matches).
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