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Atlas247
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada318 Posts
December 06 2011 20:38 GMT
#61
Not sure what you mean by

Why Fin looks like one of the best in sc2 already


fOrGG has been playing SC2 for about 8 months already, it's not like he switched over yesterday. So yes hes looking good...but thats to be expected.
Windex Banana Lampshade
Zinjil
Profile Joined February 2011
United States166 Posts
December 06 2011 20:38 GMT
#62
On December 07 2011 05:35 Seeker wrote:
Guys one thing:

DO NOT USE THE "B" WORD IN THIS THREAD!!

Or we will end up in a flame war/temp bans handed out/thread closed...... and I know we all do not want that


bonjwa, please!

...

bonjwanin', maybe?

I don't know how to make jokes work, help!
awwnuts07
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States621 Posts
December 06 2011 20:39 GMT
#63
Is there any way we can send a message to Fin and ask him to go back to ForGG? It's getting confusing.

I'm in the same boat as you OP. I don't have any BW bias, but I have been watching the new Proleague and the previous '11 OSL. Let me tell you, there are so many players that do incredible shit, it's just f-ing amazing. If the current BW stars do switch, I'd be extremely excited (though I'd also feel bad for the BW guys because it would really mean that BW is dead). ForGG is showing us the potential of SC2, but only for terran. Imagine what warp prism harass would be like with Bisu at the helm or mutas in the hands of Jaedong. I honestly think they would change the SC2 landscape and I wouldn't have it any other way. Deathball vs Deathball sucks death-balls.
I'm a noob
solidbebe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4921 Posts
December 06 2011 20:40 GMT
#64
On December 07 2011 05:32 papaz wrote:
I posted this in LR thread of today but it deserves also to be here. fOrGG FIGHTING!

[image loading]


That font makes it look like it says oGsAn :/
That's the 2nd time in a week I've seen someone sig a quote from this GD and I have never witnessed a sig quote happen in my TL history ever before. -Najda
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13021 Posts
December 06 2011 20:40 GMT
#65
On December 07 2011 05:15 Enearde wrote:
ForGG really impressed me even if i'm not a BW fan (i didn't watch any starcraft before sc2 came out) i have to say that he's one of a kind but what i fear is that players like him who favorize strong timings and tactical play can't really beat players like MVP. ForGG reminds me of MKP, strong pushes and micro, i feel he has a better understanding of the game than MKP and doesn't have the mental weakness of MKP neither but it's the same "kind" of playstyle. I hope he'll grow better and better and stop doing timing attacks every game (yeah, i know he's known for that^^), if not, strong players will figure out his playstyle and know how to scout what he's doing and than proceed to hardcounter it. He's kind of "new" for almost every player so...
I'm not saying that he's not as good as he seems to be, he's really really strong but i just hope he'll not follow the path so many good players followed before falling into darkness.

I think being a former BW pro gives him a lot of flexibility and creativity, he's really refreshing to watch. I'm a fan already

PS: nice write up, good job OP

Lol he hasn't started doing timing attacks yet...
And even if tvt != tvz, if Mvp can't beat Leenock now he doesn't have that much of a chance against fOrGG
WriterMaru
K3Nyy
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1961 Posts
December 06 2011 20:40 GMT
#66
On December 07 2011 05:29 iky43210 wrote:
fin is way too overrated and overhyped.

you can thanks broodwar enthusiastic and artosis for that. The hard truth is he's still just a really good Terran, but we have plenty of those

he has so far only show mid game and early fights, he has yet to face off the real challenge that Terran has late game


Why is he overrated? He crushed his opponents before they even got to late game. What does that say about his skill?

He's this hyped because he is the best BW pro to switch. Look at MVP, the second best (now) to switch and he's dominating the scene pretty hard.
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
December 06 2011 20:42 GMT
#67
On December 07 2011 05:29 iky43210 wrote:
fin is way too overrated and overhyped.

you can thanks broodwar enthusiastic and artosis for that. The hard truth is he's still just a really good Terran, but we have plenty of those

he has so far only show mid game and early fights, he has yet to face off the real challenge that Terran has late game

most of his opponents didnt last till late game, sage game 2, was good macro game and forgg didnt float higher than 400 mineral WHOLE game, including time when he got DT dropped, 3base vs 3base game
Stork[gm]
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
December 06 2011 20:43 GMT
#68
On December 07 2011 05:39 awwnuts07 wrote:
Is there any way we can send a message to Fin and ask him to go back to ForGG? It's getting confusing.


I think the ID don't mean as much for him as it mean for us.

" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
December 06 2011 20:43 GMT
#69
On December 07 2011 05:40 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 05:15 Enearde wrote:
ForGG really impressed me even if i'm not a BW fan (i didn't watch any starcraft before sc2 came out) i have to say that he's one of a kind but what i fear is that players like him who favorize strong timings and tactical play can't really beat players like MVP. ForGG reminds me of MKP, strong pushes and micro, i feel he has a better understanding of the game than MKP and doesn't have the mental weakness of MKP neither but it's the same "kind" of playstyle. I hope he'll grow better and better and stop doing timing attacks every game (yeah, i know he's known for that^^), if not, strong players will figure out his playstyle and know how to scout what he's doing and than proceed to hardcounter it. He's kind of "new" for almost every player so...
I'm not saying that he's not as good as he seems to be, he's really really strong but i just hope he'll not follow the path so many good players followed before falling into darkness.

I think being a former BW pro gives him a lot of flexibility and creativity, he's really refreshing to watch. I'm a fan already

PS: nice write up, good job OP

Lol he hasn't started doing timing attacks yet...
And even if tvt != tvz, if Mvp can't beat Leenock now he doesn't have that much of a chance against fOrGG

LOL.
You're assuming, of course, that fOrGG can beat Leenock, and that even beating Leenock means he can beat MVP. If that's how it worked then Destiny's the best in the world, because he beat Leenock ages ago. That's just silly.
Long live the King of Wings
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
December 06 2011 20:44 GMT
#70
the weirdest thing is, I have no clue how he god this good. in the esv weekly, he didn't look nearly as awesome as he did in the gsl. must be the incredible ability to focus on a single opponent and practise hardcore for the upcoming set?
iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 20:45:10
December 06 2011 20:44 GMT
#71
On December 07 2011 05:40 K3Nyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 05:29 iky43210 wrote:
fin is way too overrated and overhyped.

you can thanks broodwar enthusiastic and artosis for that. The hard truth is he's still just a really good Terran, but we have plenty of those

he has so far only show mid game and early fights, he has yet to face off the real challenge that Terran has late game


Why is he overrated? He crushed his opponents before they even got to late game. What does that say about his skill?

He's this hyped because he is the best BW pro to switch. Look at MVP, the second best (now) to switch and he's dominating the scene pretty hard.


it says he is good at playing early and mid games like plenty of Terran capable of doing it out there?

Personally I believe people are not bind by their past success or failure, and they can improve. Nestea was a terrible player in BW, look how he's doing now

he has beaten sage, polt, and july... Sure good players, but people are blowing this out of proportion as if they are really top tier players in the first place
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
December 06 2011 20:44 GMT
#72
People don't understand. ForGG is the best one to switch now.

Before this there wasn't a close to good ex-bw progamer playing SC2. Nada, Nestea and Boxer, they were all nothing.
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13021 Posts
December 06 2011 20:45 GMT
#73
On December 07 2011 05:43 LimitSEA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 05:40 Poopi wrote:
On December 07 2011 05:15 Enearde wrote:
ForGG really impressed me even if i'm not a BW fan (i didn't watch any starcraft before sc2 came out) i have to say that he's one of a kind but what i fear is that players like him who favorize strong timings and tactical play can't really beat players like MVP. ForGG reminds me of MKP, strong pushes and micro, i feel he has a better understanding of the game than MKP and doesn't have the mental weakness of MKP neither but it's the same "kind" of playstyle. I hope he'll grow better and better and stop doing timing attacks every game (yeah, i know he's known for that^^), if not, strong players will figure out his playstyle and know how to scout what he's doing and than proceed to hardcounter it. He's kind of "new" for almost every player so...
I'm not saying that he's not as good as he seems to be, he's really really strong but i just hope he'll not follow the path so many good players followed before falling into darkness.

I think being a former BW pro gives him a lot of flexibility and creativity, he's really refreshing to watch. I'm a fan already

PS: nice write up, good job OP

Lol he hasn't started doing timing attacks yet...
And even if tvt != tvz, if Mvp can't beat Leenock now he doesn't have that much of a chance against fOrGG

LOL.
You're assuming, of course, that fOrGG can beat Leenock, and that even beating Leenock means he can beat MVP. If that's how it worked then Destiny's the best in the world, because he beat Leenock ages ago. That's just silly.

What the ****? XD.
I don't assume that fOrGG can beat Leenock, I dunno and that's not what I said lol.
I just said that Mvp can't play to his best lately and thus he probably won't stop fOrGG in his royal road.
WriterMaru
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
December 06 2011 20:46 GMT
#74
On December 07 2011 05:44 Zoler wrote:
People don't understand. ForGG is the best one to switch now.

Before this there wasn't a close to good ex-bw progamer playing SC2. Nada, Nestea and Boxer, they were all nothing.

By best one to switch now, I hope you mean the one in best form when he switched. Because I'm fairly certain we've already had a few BW banjos in SC2 for a while.
Long live the King of Wings
Nagano
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1157 Posts
December 06 2011 20:46 GMT
#75
Forgg has walked over some really good opponents with ease, so we can say that at the very least his performance thus far has met the hype.
“The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn.”
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 20:49:17
December 06 2011 20:47 GMT
#76
Man... people are still underestimating BW pros. The only thing that forgg hasn't shown us yet is how far his game sense has come. If you want to see how good his multitasking, micro, and macro are then all you have to do is watch him play BW. He's already proven himself in that regard. In terms of mechanical talent he has it, and he's better than just about everyone else, period.

MVP has the best game sense and strategical mind of any sc2 player right now, but that means forgg can learn from MVP as well. Everything else just comes naturally from playing the game more and more.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
December 06 2011 20:47 GMT
#77
On December 07 2011 05:45 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 05:43 LimitSEA wrote:
On December 07 2011 05:40 Poopi wrote:
On December 07 2011 05:15 Enearde wrote:
ForGG really impressed me even if i'm not a BW fan (i didn't watch any starcraft before sc2 came out) i have to say that he's one of a kind but what i fear is that players like him who favorize strong timings and tactical play can't really beat players like MVP. ForGG reminds me of MKP, strong pushes and micro, i feel he has a better understanding of the game than MKP and doesn't have the mental weakness of MKP neither but it's the same "kind" of playstyle. I hope he'll grow better and better and stop doing timing attacks every game (yeah, i know he's known for that^^), if not, strong players will figure out his playstyle and know how to scout what he's doing and than proceed to hardcounter it. He's kind of "new" for almost every player so...
I'm not saying that he's not as good as he seems to be, he's really really strong but i just hope he'll not follow the path so many good players followed before falling into darkness.

I think being a former BW pro gives him a lot of flexibility and creativity, he's really refreshing to watch. I'm a fan already

PS: nice write up, good job OP

Lol he hasn't started doing timing attacks yet...
And even if tvt != tvz, if Mvp can't beat Leenock now he doesn't have that much of a chance against fOrGG

LOL.
You're assuming, of course, that fOrGG can beat Leenock, and that even beating Leenock means he can beat MVP. If that's how it worked then Destiny's the best in the world, because he beat Leenock ages ago. That's just silly.

What the ****? XD.
I don't assume that fOrGG can beat Leenock, I dunno and that's not what I said lol.
I just said that Mvp can't play to his best lately and thus he probably won't stop fOrGG in his royal road.


The series was 3-2, give me a break. Watch game 2 and then tell me MVP is not in shape.
ultramafia
Profile Joined August 2010
221 Posts
December 06 2011 20:48 GMT
#78
also like to point out that in game 2 versus July he sacrificed about 6 scv's to ensure that his main base was walled off before the lings got in. actually a big deal as he didn't have his hellions out yet and the lings could have done big damage as well as see the double factory tech lab. not saying this is anything revolutionary but it was incredible decision making in a very stressful moment. Not completely sold yet as he has not played any of the top top pros yet.
毒爆虫 | CJ Entus fight
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 20:51:11
December 06 2011 20:49 GMT
#79
On December 07 2011 05:45 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2011 05:43 LimitSEA wrote:
On December 07 2011 05:40 Poopi wrote:
On December 07 2011 05:15 Enearde wrote:
ForGG really impressed me even if i'm not a BW fan (i didn't watch any starcraft before sc2 came out) i have to say that he's one of a kind but what i fear is that players like him who favorize strong timings and tactical play can't really beat players like MVP. ForGG reminds me of MKP, strong pushes and micro, i feel he has a better understanding of the game than MKP and doesn't have the mental weakness of MKP neither but it's the same "kind" of playstyle. I hope he'll grow better and better and stop doing timing attacks every game (yeah, i know he's known for that^^), if not, strong players will figure out his playstyle and know how to scout what he's doing and than proceed to hardcounter it. He's kind of "new" for almost every player so...
I'm not saying that he's not as good as he seems to be, he's really really strong but i just hope he'll not follow the path so many good players followed before falling into darkness.

I think being a former BW pro gives him a lot of flexibility and creativity, he's really refreshing to watch. I'm a fan already

PS: nice write up, good job OP

Lol he hasn't started doing timing attacks yet...
And even if tvt != tvz, if Mvp can't beat Leenock now he doesn't have that much of a chance against fOrGG

LOL.
You're assuming, of course, that fOrGG can beat Leenock, and that even beating Leenock means he can beat MVP. If that's how it worked then Destiny's the best in the world, because he beat Leenock ages ago. That's just silly.

What the ****? XD.
I don't assume that fOrGG can beat Leenock, I dunno and that's not what I said lol.
I just said that Mvp can't play to his best lately and thus he probably won't stop fOrGG in his royal road.


You're saying that because he couldn't beat Leenock, he can't beat fOrGG. Silliest jump in logic I've seen yet. What does not being able to beat arguably the most in form zerg in the world at the moment have to do with beating a new-to-the-scene terran? It's a completely different match up.
Long live the King of Wings
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
December 06 2011 20:49 GMT
#80
On December 07 2011 05:32 papaz wrote:
I posted this in LR thread of today but it deserves also to be here. fOrGG FIGHTING!

[image loading]


Sorry for the stupid question, but what is he holding ?
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
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