EPTOn December 06 2011 22:35 Kira__ wrote:
looks like idra was right once again!
looks like idra was right once again!
I love how everyone is like stop crying Idra then everything he says comes true later on
[Nov] TLPD Race Winrate Graphs - Page 25
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Bd.Snake
Australia163 Posts
I love how everyone is like stop crying Idra then everything he says comes true later on | ||
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ShootingStars
1475 Posts
On December 08 2011 14:53 ZorBa.G wrote: I like how we see the first month of such a huge swing in Protoss favour and we see all the Protoss claim.... "Yep, P v T is balanced, or at least let it play out for the next few months!" Enjoy those EZ wins Toss. I really can't stand those who claim "Terran needs to find other builds yadda yadda yadda." Terran has probably been those most creative out of all the 3 races to date. How long was Protoss stuck on the 4-Gate? So to see Protoss players tell me to work out new builds, I find that a cop out. I just feel like T v P is all about how effective your early game aggression is. If it fails, once it gets past 15 minutes you may as well just GG. Which is the reason right now, I'm trying to get my hands on every T v P all-in available. Yeah, hey people may think it's balanced and Blizzard may think it's balanced. But I know one thing for sure, in its current state..... only all-ins coming from this Terran.  Anyways, we can't do much about it. Who knows whats going through the minds of that smart Blizzard balancing team.  No. It's just that since WP buff protoss have found NEW STRATS to counter the Terran builds used today. Terran needs to FIND NEW BUILDS... other than MMM or MECHMECHMECH or GHOSTMM. Try Ghost Tank, or Viking marauder... or something NEW | ||
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cmen15
United States1519 Posts
On December 08 2011 14:53 ZorBa.G wrote: I like how we see the first month of such a huge swing in Protoss favour and we see all the Protoss claim.... "Yep, P v T is balanced, or at least let it play out for the next few months!" Enjoy those EZ wins Toss. I really can't stand those who claim "Terran needs to find other builds yadda yadda yadda." Terran has probably been those most creative out of all the 3 races to date. How long was Protoss stuck on the 4-Gate? So to see Protoss players tell me to work out new builds, I find that a cop out. I just feel like T v P is all about how effective your early game aggression is. If it fails, once it gets past 15 minutes you may as well just GG. Which is the reason right now, I'm trying to get my hands on every T v P all-in available. Yeah, hey people may think it's balanced and Blizzard may think it's balanced. But I know one thing for sure, in its current state..... only all-ins coming from this Terran. Anyways, we can't do much about it. Who knows whats going through the minds of that smart Blizzard balancing team. Im sure all the sick all-ins your learning will really improve your TvP for the long run... EDIT: happy to see the guy above me posted that lolol^^^ | ||
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crocodile
United States615 Posts
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
TERRAN IS NOT THE BEST RACE FOR ONE MONTH! | ||
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Moosy
Canada396 Posts
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kofman
Andorra698 Posts
On December 08 2011 15:06 ShootingStars wrote: No. It's just that since WP buff protoss have found NEW STRATS to counter the Terran builds used today. Terran needs to FIND NEW BUILDS... other than MMM or MECHMECHMECH or GHOSTMM. Try Ghost Tank, or Viking marauder... or something NEW The fact that you said that Terrans need to do something other than mech shows you don't know anything, plus the fact that you consider MMM and GhostMM different strategies (fyi, bio is considered MMM,Ghosts, and Vikings) The fact is, no once does mech. How is ghost tank any different from mech? And maruader viking any different from the standard bio play everybody uses now? its pretty clear you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. | ||
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kofman
Andorra698 Posts
On December 08 2011 15:06 cmen15 wrote: Im sure all the sick all-ins your learning will really improve your TvP for the long run... EDIT: happy to see the guy above me posted that lolol^^^ all-ining is the only option if protoss remains as strong as it is lategame. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20340 Posts
On December 08 2011 14:31 Mehukannu wrote: Theorycrafting with one unit compositions. How useful....! Seriously guys, no one makes just carriers or battlecruisers, because you need to be able to counter your opponents counter against these units. That was my point exactly. He brought up battlecruisers saying that terran units were a joke or something and i thought the carrier would be a good counter-argument for 1 post | ||
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kofman
Andorra698 Posts
On December 08 2011 15:33 Cyro wrote: That was my point exactly. He brought up battlecruisers saying that terran units were a joke or something and i thought the carrier would be a good counter-argument for 1 post I said that battlecruisers were a joke because its true, not Terran units in general... Why the hell would you make them if they just flat-out suck? You make no sense at all. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On December 08 2011 15:06 ShootingStars wrote: Try Ghost Tank, or Viking marauder... or something NEW Ever heard of this guy ? Please don't come with such silly assumptions; if MMMGV and not only "Viking marauder" is standard in TvP, it's for good reasons. Mech didn't work when Immortal was 5 range, BFH dealt 24 damage per shot and dual Forges did not exist, why would that work now ? | ||
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Creegz
Canada354 Posts
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ZorBa.G
Australia279 Posts
On December 08 2011 15:06 cmen15 wrote: Im sure all the sick all-ins your learning will really improve your TvP for the long run... EDIT: happy to see the guy above me posted that lolol^^^ Yeah it will improve my T v P in the long run actually, I was one of those Terrans that never actually did the 1-1-1 and went for the long macro games. 1 rax FE used to be my go to build. Time for me to learn all the cheeses and all-ins I reckon. I want to be a "complete" player. I must say, the 1-1-1 is actually quiet a fun build. Same as the 2-2-2, 2 base timing. I would rebut with "learning how to 1 A Chargelot/Archon won't get you better in the long run either." But meh, it's how the Protoss race works I guess. Just a question for those out there though; is T>Z>P>T called balanced? Is it meant to be the whole sissors/paper/rock thing? EDIT: @TheDWF, lol I was assuming "this guy" was goody and how he has given up on mech. But the immortal will do just fine. lol. | ||
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FidoDido
United States1292 Posts
btw ... the international chart looks like brood war balance. | ||
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Logros
Netherlands9913 Posts
. As someone who has played both Protoss and Terran this is nowhere near as hard as when you were facing marine-tank-banshee all-ins every other game. | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
On December 08 2011 14:27 Philodox wrote: If Z has such a high winrate over P, I want to know what I'm doing wrong D: Not going muta ling every game? | ||
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aksfjh
United States4853 Posts
On December 08 2011 16:21 FidoDido wrote: finally a chart to make protoss qqers on forums stop qqing about T>P btw ... the international chart looks like brood war balance. TvP wasn't really as bad as ZvP in terms of balance. The only reason people jumped on the Terran hate train was GomTvT, which many saw as a problem with the GSL tournament format and not so much Terran being broken. | ||
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Weedk
United States507 Posts
On December 08 2011 16:21 FidoDido wrote: finally a chart to make protoss qqers on forums stop qqing about T>P btw ... the international chart looks like brood war balance. And that balance leads to strategic depth in a proleague style format, if there ever is one in SC2. | ||
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
On December 08 2011 16:42 aksfjh wrote: TvP wasn't really as bad as ZvP in terms of balance. The only reason people jumped on the Terran hate train was GomTvT, which many saw as a problem with the GSL tournament format and not so much Terran being broken. People (protoss) were whining as fuck about ghosts being op late game. | ||
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Deleted User 183001
2939 Posts
That said, HOTS is going to break the game bigtime lol. | ||
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