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On December 08 2011 14:18 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 14:07 kofman wrote:On December 06 2011 22:09 Sated wrote:
The EMP change has just punished bad Terrans really hard because they've relied on blanket EMPs for too long, this is why the graph has swung so badly this month. Terrans who could previously do well by relying on Ghosts are getting stomped by Protoss players who were always better than them, but were fighting against Ghosts being ridiculous.
Don't worry, Terran players. All will be well. And if not, you could always try Battlecruisers! No one uses capital ships, you should use them more!
(Hehehehe...) ALL Terran players relied on EMP blankets... If you dont use emp blankets, you are bad. Now, ghosts are a lot weaker. Its amazing that you consider terran players who use emp worse than protoss players, but just abusing emp to win. Try the battlecruiser? what a joke of a unit. 1. It can get feedbacked 2. its slow as hell 3. Stalkers own them Carriers die 1v1 to BC's before yamato, are significantly slower, and MARINES own them. Marines are lower tier than stalkers, im not sure where your argument comes from.
Not sure why anybody is even arguing BCs vs carriers. Capital ships in this game are pretty bad in most cases. The only reason one would go BCs in TvT even is against a Terran who has put too much supply in tanks and not enough in marines+upgrades and/or vikings. In any case, they have absolutely no role in TvP.
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On December 07 2011 06:19 The Final Boss wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2011 16:36 kofman wrote:On December 06 2011 16:13 LeapofFaith wrote:
First time Terran has dropped below a 50% win rate o.O TvZ is quite balanced, PvT and PvZ need a bit more work. I'm still not understanding what happened in PvT though. Did the upgrade buff/emp nerf really make that much of a difference? The emp nerf was huge. I dont think the upgrade buff actually affects the game that much, but it encouraged protosses to go double forge again, which was a really good strat that people had just forgotten about i guess... No but players like Oz, HerO, and Naniwa are actually coming up with new stuff and people aren't used to Protoss players doing something new.
agreed, im actually sort of thankful for the period of terran dominance because now, we have so many kickass strategies as Protoss that we probably wouldn't have come up with previously if we had had an easier time winning
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but where are the International Data Only Graph?
that would also be interesting to see actually now that we have the two other graphs, but it would make more sense imo 
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Z>T>P?
Lets stop bitching about the balance now and just watch the games for what they are! High level starcraft!
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On December 08 2011 14:18 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 14:07 kofman wrote:On December 06 2011 22:09 Sated wrote:
The EMP change has just punished bad Terrans really hard because they've relied on blanket EMPs for too long, this is why the graph has swung so badly this month. Terrans who could previously do well by relying on Ghosts are getting stomped by Protoss players who were always better than them, but were fighting against Ghosts being ridiculous.
Don't worry, Terran players. All will be well. And if not, you could always try Battlecruisers! No one uses capital ships, you should use them more!
(Hehehehe...) ALL Terran players relied on EMP blankets... If you dont use emp blankets, you are bad. Now, ghosts are a lot weaker. Its amazing that you consider terran players who use emp worse than protoss players, but just abusing emp to win. Try the battlecruiser? what a joke of a unit. 1. It can get feedbacked 2. its slow as hell 3. Stalkers own them Carriers die 1v1 to BC's before yamato, are significantly slower, and MARINES own them. Marines are lower tier than stalkers, im not sure where your argument comes from.
He wasn't ever saying carriers were good, BCs are better than carriers but they're still bad :D not sure where your argument is coming from, he's just saying why battlecruisers are the last thing terrans should be trying out right now
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omg ty for the colorblind version, red-green is a bitch for me
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If Z has such a high winrate over P, I want to know what I'm doing wrong D:
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wow we have near equal winrates! but then, the logic of 'there are many more better terran players than players of protoss and zerg' still holds true to me. does that means protoss still needs to be nerfed a little bit?
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On December 08 2011 14:18 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 14:07 kofman wrote:On December 06 2011 22:09 Sated wrote:
The EMP change has just punished bad Terrans really hard because they've relied on blanket EMPs for too long, this is why the graph has swung so badly this month. Terrans who could previously do well by relying on Ghosts are getting stomped by Protoss players who were always better than them, but were fighting against Ghosts being ridiculous.
Don't worry, Terran players. All will be well. And if not, you could always try Battlecruisers! No one uses capital ships, you should use them more!
(Hehehehe...) ALL Terran players relied on EMP blankets... If you dont use emp blankets, you are bad. Now, ghosts are a lot weaker. Its amazing that you consider terran players who use emp worse than protoss players, but just abusing emp to win. Try the battlecruiser? what a joke of a unit. 1. It can get feedbacked 2. its slow as hell 3. Stalkers own them Carriers die 1v1 to BC's before yamato, are significantly slower, and MARINES own them. Marines are lower tier than stalkers, im not sure where your argument comes from.
Theorycrafting with one unit compositions. How useful....!
Seriously guys, no one makes just carriers or battlecruisers, because you need to be able to counter your opponents counter against these units.
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Congrats on the feature
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On December 08 2011 14:18 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 14:07 kofman wrote:On December 06 2011 22:09 Sated wrote:
The EMP change has just punished bad Terrans really hard because they've relied on blanket EMPs for too long, this is why the graph has swung so badly this month. Terrans who could previously do well by relying on Ghosts are getting stomped by Protoss players who were always better than them, but were fighting against Ghosts being ridiculous.
Don't worry, Terran players. All will be well. And if not, you could always try Battlecruisers! No one uses capital ships, you should use them more!
(Hehehehe...) ALL Terran players relied on EMP blankets... If you dont use emp blankets, you are bad. Now, ghosts are a lot weaker. Its amazing that you consider terran players who use emp worse than protoss players, but just abusing emp to win. Try the battlecruiser? what a joke of a unit. 1. It can get feedbacked 2. its slow as hell 3. Stalkers own them Carriers die 1v1 to BC's before yamato, are significantly slower, and MARINES own them. Marines are lower tier than stalkers, im not sure where your argument comes from.
Who ever makes carriers? And i agree with you, marines own carriers. The same can be said with stalkers. So, there is no point in making either carriers or BC's, since the most basic, massable unit of the other race is a hard counter to them.
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I don't knwo why every zerg seems to win against protoss, but i am not able to 
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The patch must have had a huge effect. The upswing for Toss is insane!
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On December 08 2011 14:38 enemy2010 wrote:I don't knwo why every zerg seems to win against protoss, but i am not able to
its the korean zergs dominating protoss that is skewing the statistic. Foreigner zergs and NA/EU ladder, zergs do not dominate protoss (IMO foreigner zergs are way too passive and sit too much letting protoss max out).
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On December 06 2011 23:59 d_wAy wrote:
Hold your ground, hold your ground! Sons of Mengsk, of Raynor, my brothers! I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me. A day may come when the courage of Terran fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship, but it is not this day. An hour of woes and shattered shields, when the age of Terran comes crashing down! But it is not this day! This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good Earth, I bid you *stand, Terran of the West!*
Oh this is just too good, I love how you completely ripped off The Lord of the Rings! Best post I have read in awhile.
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I like how we see the first month of such a huge swing in Protoss favour and we see all the Protoss claim.... "Yep, P v T is balanced, or at least let it play out for the next few months!"
Enjoy those EZ wins Toss.
I really can't stand those who claim "Terran needs to find other builds yadda yadda yadda." Terran has probably been those most creative out of all the 3 races to date. How long was Protoss stuck on the 4-Gate? So to see Protoss players tell me to work out new builds, I find that a cop out.
I just feel like T v P is all about how effective your early game aggression is. If it fails, once it gets past 15 minutes you may as well just GG. Which is the reason right now, I'm trying to get my hands on every T v P all-in available.
Yeah, hey people may think it's balanced and Blizzard may think it's balanced. But I know one thing for sure, in its current state..... only all-ins coming from this Terran.
Anyways, we can't do much about it. Who knows whats going through the minds of that smart Blizzard balancing team. 
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DAT BALANCE! Now everyone shut the fuck up and play the game till hots.
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TvP Korea has seriously changed so much
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If the game is balanced at the highest level, then it's fine.
If you're losing, get better.
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On December 08 2011 14:42 Entropic wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 14:38 enemy2010 wrote:I don't knwo why every zerg seems to win against protoss, but i am not able to its the korean zergs dominating protoss that is skewing the statistic. Foreigner zergs and NA/EU ladder, zergs do not dominate protoss (IMO foreigner zergs are way too passive and sit too much letting protoss max out).
better answer is tournament statistics is nowhere close to actual ladder
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EPT
