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wOrD yO
Australia119 Posts
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FatBat
Germany326 Posts
On January 05 2012 03:31 Smigi wrote: I agree with HuK to an extent. I believe that their are pretty incompetent casters, e.g HDstarcraft, Husky That literally just say whats happening on the screen, and not analyze the game or tactics. However, there are one or two casters that exist right now who deserve to be at the spot their in. Artosis is the best we have right now, Dapollo isn't too bad either. Watching HDstarcraft makes me cringe sometimes, I usually put on mute because It drives me crazy the things he says. Its so obvious. "He's making a factory", thanks for letting me know that, if I was blind then that would have been very helpful. While Artosis for example would say "He's making a factory, this could lead to "X" things; 1:1:1, ect.". In my honest opinion, no offense to him either, I don't think HDstarcraft deserves the rep and views on youtube he has, but thats mainly opinion based. Yes there are a lot of casters that are incompetent and are just kinda hosts... however I feel like theres a place for these people. Pair a Host with an Analytical commentator. e.g IdrA;DjWheat, Artosis/Tasteless, and so fourth. Imo you are right if it's about life event(although husky is really good with Day9 etc), but these guys are awesome for esports. I didn't play broodwar and i always thought counterstrike was the only esports, but if you buy starcraft and you will google it, you will find these guys and start being interest in esports, because they say exactly what happens but its enough as a start. Later you can switch watching Day9 etc when you understand the game yourself. My point is that you need not analytical casters for newbies and the average viewer. | ||
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J.E.G.
United States389 Posts
However, the one thing they can count on, is that the casters they hire will be there from the beginning to end, and that the top guys will draw a certain number of people to the stream regardless of who is playing. It's a shitty system, and I think that based on effort and dedication, the players deserve way more money than the casters do, but until the game is less volatile and the superstar players can consistently draw an audience deep into their tournament runs, this system will remain. This is why there has been more money in salaries and larger company sponsorships in the higher skill ceiling Brood War, where the small differences in skill at the very top level of play result in more consistent placings. | ||
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broz0rs
United States2294 Posts
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ethil
Italy58 Posts
Sadly that's not what is happening here. | ||
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xXxSepirothxXx
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Naniwa
Sweden477 Posts
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YMCApylons
Taiwan359 Posts
On January 05 2012 00:45 LF9 wrote: By the way, I forget which tournament did it, but when Artosis and Tasteless were commentating, and after EVERY GAME they pan over to a bunch of fags sitting on a couch, including a ridiculously ugly fat dude in a FUCKING TOP HAT and they just talked for no reason about the game was literally the dumbest idea I have EVER seen in my life. God, that was blood-boiling. I couldn't bear to watch it, it was so clearly forced, so dumb, so fucking ANNOYING. The hilarious part was that Tasteless had to pretend he was so interested to hear "what our friends over on the couch have to say!". I think that was Dreamhack. Yeah, that was annoying. The reason they had to do that was because they did the same thing when TotalBiscuit and Apollo were casting, and they would go to the couch after the game for analysis from Tasteless, Day9, and Artosis. That was a godsend, especially with Artosis dropping more insight in 15 seconds than was present during the entire game cast. It was hilarious when they'd cut to Artosis, and he'd just say, "yeah, that was a build-order win." They had to maintain the polite fiction that all the casters were equally knowledgeable, so Tasteless had to do the same when they were casting. But hey, if you don't like it, stop watching. Just get a GSL ticket, and you don't have to put up with that anymore. You get better games, better commentary, and better production value. Personally, I still watch the big MLG events, but with the explosion in streaming, and better-quality content coming out almost every day, there's no reason to watch stuff you just barely tolerate. (And a quick wave hello to TotalBiscuit, who seems to respond with ninja-speed to every mention of his name on the internet.) | ||
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ZisforZerg
United States224 Posts
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thebigdonkey
United States354 Posts
Players, even high quality players, will still show up to events that don't pay well (see MLG this year). It's tough to get a large unorganized group to do anything detrimental short term (i.e. skipping tournaments) for long term gain. That's the dilemma here. | ||
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
On January 05 2012 00:45 LF9 wrote: Totalbiscuit and Slasher are totally wrong, but I guess everyone wants to be famous even if they aren't good at anything. Tasteless, Artosis, and to a lesser extent, Day9 (he tries too hard and it gets annoying) are honestly the ONLY good casters in the English speaking/foreigner scene, with no exceptions (no disrespect to DJwheat, mad respect good friend and all). The deal is, if this shit is going to be considered a "sport", and players are going to all these tournaments, there isn't THAT much prize money to go around, and even if you place in the money in EVERY tournament you go to, you can't get rich off it and you can barely live off it. You need fame and face + name recognition, and that is how this "sport" will evolve. People like Tiger Woods made all that money from sponsorship and endorsement; prize purses were just gravy. The point is, the ONLY faces we should be seeing during a SC2 match are those of the two players, and we should be seeing them often. I don't honestly WANT to see that casters. I don't even want to know what they look like. Watch pro Football. Baseball. Basketball. They show the game the entire time, closeups of the players, stuff like that. They don't cut to the guys in the booth all the time and show them. They do interviews and stuff BEFORE and AFTER the game, but while shit's going down, it's the players' time in the spotlight, it's their time to play, show off what they can do, and BE SEEN. If the casters face is shown at all, it should be during an interview with the winner or something, but honestly, they need to be in a back room somewhere with sound controls, with the camera crew up front getting footage of the players faces, hands, screens, split-screens of both players facial expressions during crucial moments and big battles, all the goods spliced in with the actual game going on. THAT is how a cast of this game needs to go. If I watch a VoD, THAT is what I want to see. By the way, I forget which tournament did it, but when Artosis and Tasteless were commentating, and after EVERY GAME they pan over to a bunch of fags sitting on a couch, including a ridiculously ugly fat dude in a FUCKING TOP HAT and they just talked for no reason about the game was literally the dumbest idea I have EVER seen in my life. God, that was blood-boiling. I couldn't bear to watch it, it was so clearly forced, so dumb, so fucking ANNOYING. The hilarious part was that Tasteless had to pretend he was so interested to hear "what our friends over on the couch have to say!". Jesus H. Christ, shoot me if that ever happens again. Oh, and top hat guy? Fuck you. What's wrong with you | ||
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BilltownRunner
United States229 Posts
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Okee
Sweden54 Posts
In the end, I think it's all about what the fans want, and if they like the current casters, things will stay as they are. If the majority of fans/viewers start leaning towards pro's casting, then that is what will happen because that will be the most profitable course of actions by events. I personally do believe the current casters bring alot to the table, even if they are not going as deep as possible in the analytical point of view, I don't think it would be very appealing to the average watcher(newbies and people new to Starcraft especially) to have casters that are analysing stuff that you don't get shit about. That said I think the best setup would be one or two "regular casters" for the enjoyment, the humour and the flow of the cast and someone(a pro) who can give more of an analyctical perspective which would appeal the more "hardcore" gamer. | ||
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EnderCraft
United States1746 Posts
On January 05 2012 00:45 LF9 wrote: By the way, I forget which tournament did it, but when Artosis and Tasteless were commentating, and after EVERY GAME they pan over to a bunch of fags sitting on a couch, including a ridiculously ugly fat dude in a FUCKING TOP HAT and they just talked for no reason about the game was literally the dumbest idea I have EVER seen in my life. God, that was blood-boiling. I couldn't bear to watch it, it was so clearly forced, so dumb, so fucking ANNOYING. The hilarious part was that Tasteless had to pretend he was so interested to hear "what our friends over on the couch have to say!". Jesus H. Christ, shoot me if that ever happens again. Oh, and top hat guy? Fuck you. Way to invalidate your entire post with this inept and down right rude paragraph. For the record, TB has stated that he did not belong on that couch in the first place, and how awkward it was seeing as he is not an analytical caster. Did you really have to go out of your way to downright trash the guy for no apparent reason? | ||
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gregnog
United States289 Posts
Why are these casters so overhyped and overpraised? I have been wondering for the past year now. | ||
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MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On January 05 2012 08:25 wOrD yO wrote: as soon as total biscuit started talking in a analytical caster conversation.. hmph. haha More qualified than you are to discuss it that's for sure Way to invalidate your entire post with this inept and down right rude paragraph. For the record, TB has stated that he did not belong on that couch in the first place, and how awkward it was seeing as he is not an analytical caster. Did you really have to go out of your way to downright trash the guy for no apparent reason? Some people are just morons, they are a cancer that needs cutting out of the community, forcefully. | ||
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Lonyo
United Kingdom3884 Posts
On January 05 2012 07:43 JustJonny wrote: i think he just worded that terribly actually. i read that as... "A masters player (f.ex Bitter/Rotterdam/Orb) will typically have a higher understanding than someone who is gold" ...even though that's not what was typed. might be wrong though.... Yes, I did word it badly. Giving an example of three masters players should have indicated that I was giving examples of masters players who are casters, and not gold players. | ||
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EnderCraft
United States1746 Posts
On January 05 2012 09:08 gregnog wrote: Extremely dissapointing if those Huks numbers are correct. Day9 making 20 g's just for showing up? Talking in his weird 100% fake contrived personality.. phoneying it up... Then top players are scraping by on minimum wage. Why are these casters so overhyped and overpraised? I have been wondering for the past year now. While I do agree that the income gap between casters and players should be bridged, I do not think day9 is a phony... Do yourself a favor and watch day9 daily #100. Esports is day9's passion, and it's definitely genuine. You'll understand once you watch that daily  | ||
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gregnog
United States289 Posts
But when he casts... just comes off as phony. Can't stand it. | ||
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